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Well I came here to find out if there was a sunshade yet and question is already been asked... Hopefully ordering a scope in April.
 
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@CSTactical if a sunshade is released before my MPCT3 is ready...just throw it on the list.

@big4x42u why wait? Jump into the deep end...the water is warm.

Now...back to my snack of off brand cheesy poofs and no name cola!
 
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@b2lee I have to wait because my youngest daughter is getting married in 2 weeks. Gotta see what the final total will be for that.
I do get to live vicariously through a friend this weekend shooting with his ZCO.
 
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This is possible ??
Say one day I want to change a MPCT3 to a MPCT6 several years down the line.......ZCO does this ?

$500 for a reticle change ?.......Perhaps less for SH members ? ;)
I don't know how much the cost is, but yes, it is an available option as far as I know. Give @CSTactical a call. I'm sure he can fill you in on the details.
 
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I don't know how much the cost is, but yes, it is an available option as far as I know. Give @CSTactical a call. I'm sure he can fill you in on the details.
Thank you for confirming the option is available.
I dont have a ZCO scope yet but I'm saving for one and it makes my choice of ZCO an even better one since knowing I can change reticles later if I want to

I don't know if other scope companies offer this too but it's a very smart move on ZCO's part (y)
 

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Thank you for confirming the option is available.
I dont have a ZCO scope yet but I'm saving for one and it makes my choice of ZCO an even better one since knowing I can change reticles later if I want to

I don't know if other scope companies offer this too but it's a very smart move on ZCO's part (y)
Agreed. I just got an MPCT2, and while it is a great reticle it’s nice to know that if some new greatness comes out a switch would be possible
 
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Here’s the best pics I could get inside the building with it at 5x and 27x

Inside building, to my eyes, it’s usable at 5x if you absolutely needed to. With a dark background, illumination is always the answer as well.

Once I get one outside in the wild, will be able to give better idea and hopefully pics.

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Bloody useless for us metric people...

Here in Europe we get target sizes in centimeters, so 1" = 2.54cm, fun to that math at a stage with unknown ranges, guess the distance is also numbered in 100's yard?. Then it gets even funnier, 1 yard = 0.914 meters....

Hope they release a MPCT3 for the rest of the world too...
 

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I’m in the market for a new scope and this makes it very hard not to purchase a ZC.
When shopping for a new optic and your budget is in the zco/theta/schmidt price range, it’s really hard to pass up the zco if you like the reticle. $3600 very competitive.
 
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Bloody useless for us metric people...

Here in Europe we get target sizes in centimeters, so 1" = 2.54cm, fun to that math at a stage with unknown ranges, guess the distance is also numbered in 100's yard?. Then it gets even funnier, 1 yard = 0.914 meters....

Hope they release a MPCT3 for the rest of the world too...
We change between meters and yards all the time over here. Also, do they make ipsc targets differently??

IPSC: 18” or 45cm

66% ipsc: 12” or 30cm

8” is 20cm

6” is 15cm

Reticle ranging is not a precise tool, so those numbers will get you well beyond an acceptable solution.

And if you’re in a match where you’ll be using the reticle a lot, or on a single stage, just set your calculator to “yards” for dope.

No one cares what the linear unit of measure is for distance. All that matters is your dope is dialed in for a target. I change from yards to meters all the time.

It’s only useless if you want it to be useless.

You shouldn’t be doing any math in the field or on the clock anyway. If you’re not using a cheat sheet next to your dope chart for ranging, you’re wrong and need to change your tactics.

This reticle works fine for CM targets. Just use the above values I listed. As long as you’re within a few CM, you’ll be close enough to make an impact as you’ll already have a margin of error due to color if the target, sunlight, etc etc already hampering your ability to accurately mil a target.
 

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This is how easy it is. These are all within 3 meters to keep it easy. Make a card like this and laminate it. Problem solved and you can range all day long with this reticle and run UKD matches.

You should already have several analog dope cards laminated if you’re needing to make dope calculations on the spot. So you won’t be adding to anything you shouldn’t already have. Measure it, find it on card, dial it in gun, kill it. Same shit, different day.

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Every event I have been on here in Europe is metric only, nobody uses yards. Probably because the metric system is the superior system of measurement, haha. :p But as far as I understood the rangefinder gives you the distance in meter to an IPSC target in inches. Or is it actually yards?
 
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Every event I have been on here in Europe is metric only, nobody uses yards. Probably because the metric system is the superior system of measurement, haha. :p But as far as I understood the rangefinder gives you the distance in meter to an IPSC target in inches. Or is it actually yards?
Who cares? Either use a cheat card or change your calculator to yards for that target to get your dope. Whether is meters or yards. It doesn’t matter either way.

This ain’t rocket surgery.
 
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Every event I have been on here in Europe is metric only, nobody uses yards. Probably because the metric system is the superior system of measurement, haha. :p But as far as I understood the rangefinder gives you the distance in meter to an IPSC target in inches. Or is it actually yards?
The ranging funnel give distances in yards. As DThomas pointed out already, it's still fairly simple to adapt those to meters.
 

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We change between meters and yards all the time over here. Also, do they make ipsc targets differently??

IPSC: 18” or 45cm

66% ipsc: 12” or 30cm

8” is 20cm

6” is 15cm

Reticle ranging is not a precise tool, so those numbers will get you well beyond an acceptable solution.

And if you’re in a match where you’ll be using the reticle a lot, or on a single stage, just set your calculator to “yards” for dope.

No one cares what the linear unit of measure is for distance. All that matters is your dope is dialed in for a target. I change from yards to meters all the time.

It’s only useless if you want it to be useless.

You shouldn’t be doing any math in the field or on the clock anyway. If you’re not using a cheat sheet next to your dope chart for ranging, you’re wrong and need to change your tactics.

This reticle works fine for CM targets. Just use the above values I listed. As long as you’re within a few CM, you’ll be close enough to make an impact as you’ll already have a margin of error due to color if the target, sunlight, etc etc already hampering your ability to accurately mil a target.
Well we don't use the imperial system for anything today.

But i guess, wouldn't be to hard remembering the numbers with some training. As long as the matches uses the ipsc target sizes.

And as long as it gets you close enough...
 

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Well we don't use the imperial system for anything today.

But i guess, wouldn't be to hard remembering the numbers with some training. As long as the matches uses the ipsc target sizes.

And as long as it gets you close enough...
The funnel is still perfectly functional on any target shape, so long as the width is 6, 9, 12, or 18" (or equivalent in metric). Doesn't "have" to be IPSC shape. We just made it to accommodate those specific widths based on those popular IPSC targets commonly used in reticle ranging scenarios.
 

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Ya, you’ll be well within an acceptable range.

I definitely wouldn’t let it hold me back if it was reversed and it was in CM/m.
 

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Every event I have been on here in Europe is metric only, nobody uses yards. Probably because the metric system is the superior system of measurement, haha. :p But as far as I understood the rangefinder gives you the distance in meter to an IPSC target in inches. Or is it actually yards?
There are two kinds of countries. Those that use the metric system, and those that have been to the moon.
 

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Asked the dealer to see how long the delivery time is on the MPCT3 reticle here in Sweden.

Might grab one of those, really like a the Christmas three in it even if i'm not 100% sure on the ranging "wedge".
And it has 0.1mil areas i can measure targets with so...
 
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So...4-6 weeks....then 2 weeks to Cerakote...and then a week to mail...I could have this by my birthday on May 3rd? It could be a good party.
 

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I’ve only need illumination once or wife. Red worked better for me.

I honestly forgot you could change the color until just now.