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Now she vows to nullify the electoral college. Her wild eyes and mannerisms(flailing arms) have always been frightening( this seems to be typical of liberal women), but this takes it to a new level. It's called NPV (national popular vote). This would ensure that the coastal cities would control the entire country, forever. And she's not alone. If they can't win the game, just change the rules! Can they actually do this?
 

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They would need Constitutional Ammendment. Strong current to swim against.

What worries me though is that some states are on their own adopting resolutions that they will pledge their electors to whomever wins the popular vote regardless of the internal state vote.

So if your state votes for Candidate A but Candidate B wins the popular vote all electors will go to Candidate B will of the state voters be damned.

Some states already have this on the books as of 2016.

I understand that if enough states adopt it than it becomes Constitutional.
 

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All sorts of schemes being proposed.

Look up "Ranked Choice" voting.......it truly is rank.

If you cant win, steal it.
 

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Possible- yes. But it would take a Constitutional Amendment. Its not something she can snap her fingers and get done.
 

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No worries. The DNC has already determined who their candidate is. We are just waiting for the convention in the summer.
Once the votes are counted at the convention and no one has the required 50% the Super Delegates get to decide who their candidate is.
I am still going with Mooochelle.
 

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No worries. The DNC has already determined who their candidate is. We are just waiting for the convention in the summer.
Once the votes are counted at the convention and no one has the required 50% the Super Delegates get to decide who their candidate is.
I am still going with Mooochelle.
Neither party is required to hold primaries.

They are businesses with their own best interests in mind.

They provide a product.

People running under their affiliation are members of the Firm.

They co-ordinate with the opposing party in order to provide us "Bread and Circuses" so as to make us believe they are looking out for our interests.

Any benefit that actually filters down to you is merely coincidental in that it furthers the Firms desire for control.

What happened to Bernie in 2016 is only unsavory if you believe either Party cares about "fair" and you make the mistake of thinking they care about you, the Constitution or the Country.
 

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They would need Constitutional Ammendment. Strong current to swim against.

What worries me though is that some states are on their own adopting resolutions that they will pledge their electors to whomever wins the popular vote regardless of the internal state vote.

So if your state votes for Candidate A but Candidate B wins the popular vote all electors will go to Candidate B will of the state voters be damned.

Some states already have this on the books as of 2016.

I understand that if enough states adopt it than it becomes Constitutional.
Actually, the npv would not require an amendment. That is what is extra scary about. States would simply send electoral college delegates not based on their states outcome, but based on national popular vote.

This is the sort of crap that socialist philosophers think up to subvert the constitution. Like... only muskets are covered under 2a, and hate speech is not protected so conservative thought is hate speech.

It is scary and it is real.

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They would need Constitutional Ammendment. Strong current to swim against.

What worries me though is that some states are on their own adopting resolutions that they will pledge their electors to whomever wins the popular vote regardless of the internal state vote.

So if your state votes for Candidate A but Candidate B wins the popular vote all electors will go to Candidate B will of the state voters be damned.

Some states already have this on the books as of 2016.

I understand that if enough states adopt it than it becomes Constitutional.
As of January 16 states have joined the compact, totaling about 35% of EC votes. Once enough states sign on that 50.1% of EC votes are in the compact, it goes into effect. It does the same thing as abolishing the EC without having to convince 2/3 of states to go along. As you can imagine, the states in the compact have legislatures that lean hard D. I get why they want pop vote now but what if the political pendulum swings the other way? I assume they would all find ways to abandon the compact.
 
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Yes to abolish the college = Ammendment but deciding how to award electors is Tenth amendment = those not specifically delegated to Federal Authority or specifically outlined in the COTUS shall be delegated to the states.....

States can decide how to award their electors any which way they choose.

The real problem is the dumbing down of America to the point the genius and truly great design of our Constitution to ensure Freedom can not be understood by the current dumb population.
 

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Now she vows to nullify the electoral college. Her wild eyes and mannerisms(flailing arms) have always been frightening( this seems to be typical of liberal women), but this takes it to a new level. It's called NPV (national popular vote). This would ensure that the coastal cities would control the entire country, forever. And she's not alone. If they can't win the game, just change the rules! Can they actually do this?
Changing the rules has been the go to playbook for the dems. Oh, you have a full house? I'm sorry, my 2 pair takes the pot. Thanks for playing.
 

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I understand that if enough states adopt it than it becomes Constitutional.
I severely doubt any of those legislative attempts would pass constitutional review in any way shape or form.

If I'm wrong, the republic is well and truly dead so the boogaloo may as well just get going. Who the fuck cares who throws the first stone then.
 

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Sure... all they have to do is convince "flyover" states to simply abdicate their votes to the likes of NY, CA, IL.

"Sure! We'll just give up our Rights and trust the folks in NYC, Chicago, and LA to make the right decision for us dummies here in middle America."

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
 
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As of January 16 states have joined the compact, totaling about 35% of EC votes
Yeah it's definitely on the way to happening already. They probably don't have enough shenanigans to throw 2020, but going forward it's looking like we are screwed. After 2020, CA and a handful of 3rd world shithole cities will rule the USA.
 

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Every candidate on that stage are communists and/or are backed by communists. Communists are very dangerous people. If/when they turn this country, millions will die. History has showed this to be true. This is why at this point in time, I have no respect for anyone who votes for Democrats. It is painfully obvious with this party has become. Communists by another name.
 

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Biden has been chosen already, Pete Fudgepacker, Pocahontas and Red Commie Bernie are just put into the mix to make it look legit for the sheep. Warren's response to the Father who paid for his daughters college who asked if she plans on erasing all college debt for people will he get reimburse for what he paid ? " OF COURSE NOT " and then laughed at him.
 

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Sure... all they have to do is convince "flyover" states to simply abdicate their votes to the likes of NY, CA, IL.

"Sure! We'll just give up our Rights and trust the folks in NYC, Chicago, and LA to make the right decision for us dummies here in middle America."

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Colorado has.....



14 states are on board....



While you watch the fray in the front yard you are being robbed through the back door.
 

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Colorado has.....



14 states are on board....



While you watch the fray in the front yard you are being robbed through the back door.
None of that shit matters. What matters is the Constitution. They can say whatever they want. It can and will be challenged on a Constitutional basis.

There is ZERO chance of a Constitutional AMENDMENT (which is what they HAVE to have) to rescind the Electoral College system.
 
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She's doing what Francis O'Rourke did....useful idiot time once it's clear there is no chance. Francis finally admitted what we have suspected Dems want which is to forcibly take firearms once he knew his campaign was toast. Now that Warren is sinking she is testing ideas to see how they are received. So, after some focus group polishing the next good Dem will deliver that message until it's digestible for the masses. Dems already chose their candidate long ago. Even with no superdelegates on 1st vote it's just a matter of when not if.....Sleepy Joe
 

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Yeah it's definitely on the way to happening already. They probably don't have enough shenanigans to throw 2020, but going forward it's looking like we are screwed. After 2020, CA and a handful of 3rd world shithole cities will rule the USA.
The (probably) good news is that there is a very strong argument that the NPV compact is illegal. Progressives have specialized in using the courts to block legislation they don't like. It would be entertaining to watch the Supreme Court strike down the NPV compact. Legislating via courts can go both ways.
 
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Fuck your vote disguised as yay my team.

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The crazy thing
Colorado has.....



14 states are on board....



While you watch the fray in the front yard you are being robbed through the back door.
It is amazing to me that so many smaller states, and even Colorado, are jumping on board. Assuming this were to come to fruition, why do they think candidates would even care about their votes any more? More importantly, if they don't, why would they spend any time worrying about providing benefits to those states? Reminds me of a fable where the rabbit helps the fox by removing a bone stuck in its jaw and is immediately devoured in repayment for its nieve trust.
 

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The crazy thing

It is amazing to me that so many smaller states, and even Colorado, are jumping on board. Assuming this were to come to fruition, why do they think candidates would even care about their votes any more? More importantly, if they don't, why would they spend any time worrying about providing benefits to those states? Reminds me of a fable where the rabbit helps the fox by removing a bone stuck in its jaw and is immediately devoured in repayment for its nieve trust.
I'm not amazed at all.
They/them have been programmed to shout the party line without consideration.
Add in more/better voter fraud and it becomes an obvious end.

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Now she vows to nullify the electoral college. Her wild eyes and mannerisms(flailing arms) have always been frightening( this seems to be typical of liberal women), but this takes it to a new level. It's called NPV (national popular vote). This would ensure that the coastal cities would control the entire country, forever. And she's not alone. If they can't win the game, just change the rules! Can they actually do this?
They can achieve this under one condition! If we let em! Remember, they suppose to work for us!
 
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Sure... all they have to do is convince "flyover" states to simply abdicate their votes to the likes of NY, CA, IL.

"Sure! We'll just give up our Rights and trust the folks in NYC, Chicago, and LA to make the right decision for us dummies here in middle America."

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Like Colorado??? Wisconsin? Minnesota?
 
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Like Colorado??? Wisconsin? Minnesota?
None of that counts. I'm talking about getting all the states to ratify a Constitutional amendment, getting rid of the EC and handing future elections over to NYC and LA.
 
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It won't be easy, but not impossible either. As liberals flee California, New York, New Jersey, etc. they are repopulating in "free" states. I can foresee a time (hopefully not while I'm still alive) where they can command enough votes in the states to start a Constitutional Convention. Then all bets are off as to what grotesque changes leftists will propose. You can be sure it would be the end of the Republic as we have known it.
 
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The DNC has already determined that Biden is their candidate. At least they are consistent, as they squashed the individual voter impact of their own party a few years back. Now they are trying to do the same to all voters through impeachment weaponization etc. They determined Hillary was the candidate in 2016 and totally screwed Comrade Bernie by setting the deck against him. Looks like they are doing the same again for Sleepy Joe. Bernie is either too stupid to see what is happening again, or too afraid to voice his displeasure with the internal politics of his party. It's going to take some big revelations on Joe before the DNC abandon's him for another of their weak candidates.
 

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None of that shit matters. What matters is the Constitution. They can say whatever they want. It can and will be challenged on a Constitutional basis.

There is ZERO chance of a Constitutional AMENDMENT (which is what they HAVE to have) to rescind the Electoral College system.
I hope to God you're right.
 
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The DNC has already determined that Biden is their candidate. At least they are consistent, as they squashed the individual voter impact of their own party a few years back. Now they are trying to do the same to all voters through impeachment weaponization etc. They determined Hillary was the candidate in 2016 and totally screwed Comrade Bernie by setting the deck against him. Looks like they are doing the same again for Sleepy Joe. Bernie is either too stupid to see what is happening again, or too afraid to voice his displeasure with the internal politics of his party. It's going to take some big revelations on Joe before the DNC abandon's him for another of their weak candidates.
Bernie and his family have made millions from his political career by hiring his family members and funneling money, including campaign money, to them. Last time, the DNC paid him off; he promptly bought another house with it. He doesn't care if he wins or not. He enriches himself and his family either way, and he's not the only one.
 

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All sorts of schemes being proposed.

Look up "Ranked Choice" voting.......it truly is rank.

If you cant win, steal it.
Rush talks about how dems are on a quest to do away with ALL elections, a scenario in which dems are in total control, and can dictate terms. The 'people' are not smart enough, and cannot be trusted to do the 'right' thing. They admitted this in the impeachment push.
 
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Most typical people today do not understand the electoral college at all, and believe that it is working against them in some way.

The Dems are playing on that to their advantage, the US will be completely screwed by individual voter incompetence :(

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Sorry, but what, exactly, does that mean?
They have the plebs screaming for the abolishment of the electoral college.
The plebs can't see far enough in the future to realize it it will be their ass in short order.
The super delgates can and do disregard the popular vote, why even have a vote if it'll not mean anything.
They have versions of this, it's called a monarchy.

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They have the plebs screaming for the abolishment of the electoral college.
The plebs can't see far enough in the future to realize it it will be their ass in short order.
The super delgates can an do disregard the popular vote, why even have a vote if it'll not mean anything.
They have versions of this, it's called a monarchy.

R

Super Delegates are a democrap primary bastardization.

The electoral college, as designed to function i.e. states award electors based on THEIR state voting results, gave the power to elect the Executive solely to the States.

After all we are the United States of America.

Under the proposed scheme the power to elect the executive will be based on the results in a few cities.

As few as 5-7 cities can determine the outcome. Millions of square miles will be controlled by hundreds of square miles.

The only way it backfires is if voter apathy ends. Our voting record is abysmal and not due to any obstacles to voting.

People just don't give a shit.

Perhaps they will when New York is determining the future of Wyoming.
 

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Interstate Compacts are going to be the new thing I guess.

Our Rino governor is pushing for an interstate compact in the northeast and a few eastern seaboard states to have some fuel taxation scheme that will basically be spent on Bostons failing public transportation.

Its all part of the globalist thing.

You apparently cant even have state borders because it enforces some strange idea that the globalists are not in charge.
 
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Super Delegates are a democrap primary bastardization.

The electoral college, as designed to function i.e. states award electors based on THEIR state voting results, gave the power to elect the Executive solely to the States.

After all we are the United States of America.

Under the proposed scheme the power to elect the executive will be based on the results in a few cities.

As few as 5-7 cities can determine the outcome. Millions of square miles will be controlled by hundreds of square miles.

The only way it backfires is if voter apathy ends. Our voting record is abysmal and not due to any obstacles to voting.

People just don't give a shit.

Perhaps they will when New York is determining the future of Wyoming.
we won't hold our breath on that one. always appreciate the perspective offered.
 

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Time for the US to split itself up. It's like a feuding married couple now - neither party/faction can tolerate the other party(s) and will not compromise, listen, nor have an open discussion. We need a separation period followed by a full on divorce.

Before things get really weird if they aren't already. All in favor of secession raise yer hands.....

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Time for the US to split itself up. It's like a feuding married couple now - neither party/faction can tolerate the other party(s) and will not compromise, listen, nor have an open discussion. We need a separation period followed by a full on divorce.

Before things get really weird if they aren't already. All in favor of secession raise yer hands.....

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Can you save a patient with fully metastasized cancer (rabid, unapologetic socialism/communism) by cutting off a couple limbs like CA, CO, OR, IL, MA, RI, NY, NJ, MD, VA,....? I don't think so.

This country will either be consumed by the cancer in a few years or it will have to undergo a painful chemotherapy, killing the cancer quicker than the life-supporting cells, in order to live on while being vigilant about the cancer re-emerging at any moment.

During the McCarthy years, the stage 2 cancer was diagnosed correctly but insufficiently treated. Today, the cancer is in stage 4.
 
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Even that Wiki entry says it will undoubtedly have to go through SCOTUS. Is RBG dead yet? They had better hurry if they think it will work. lol.
Yes a lot of shit needs to go through SCOTUS.

Repubs lost a good man in Maine due to rank choice voting.

He won the election by popular vote but with less than 51% number the rank choice system kicked in.

After further "rounds" of giving second, third or fourth choice votes to one or another candidate the Democrat won.

Dont see how this equates to "One Man/Woman, One Vote"
 

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Yes a lot of shit needs to go through SCOTUS.

Repubs lost a good man in Maine due to rank choice voting.

He won the election by popular vote but with less than 51% number the rank choice system kicked in.

After further "rounds" of giving second, third or fourth choice votes to one or another candidate the Democrat won.

Dont see how this equates to "One Man/Woman, One Vote"
SCOTUS seems to be conspicuously silent on a lot of the big issues that are dividing us. I do understand they will only take cases that are framed just right so their ruling will set a clear president but I have to believe at some point they could have chose to rule on a whole host of matters we have become the most divisive about. Heck if they ruled in favor of the 2A on semi autos and mag sizes it would cut half the threads down in the bear Pit alone. Ive personally just been hoping they are holding out on such cases until after Ruth kicks it.
 
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Can you save a patient with fully metastasized cancer (rabid, unapologetic socialism/communism) by cutting off a couple limbs like CA, CO, OR, IL, MA, RI, NY, NJ, MD, VA,....? I don't think so.

This country will either be consumed by the cancer in a few years or it will have to undergo a painful chemotherapy, killing the cancer quicker than the life-supporting cells, in order to live on while being vigilant about the cancer re-emerging at any moment.

During the McCarthy years, the stage 2 cancer was diagnosed correctly but insufficiently treated. Today, the cancer is in stage 4.
So, you'd rather kill them than secede and let the ones we hate go their own way?

If "they" want Communism (and I just don't think anyone does but...) why don't we just push off and leave them in their own pile of shit to face the doom they created while US smart/Conservative folks just move on along to "The Conservative States of America" and get along with our Plan and let them go belly up in their vision of Utopia?

Why fight them any more? Why hate everyone who disagrees? Just secede and put all the Right Thinking People in one geographic region and let the Commies, Mommies, Socialists, Democrats, and Libtards set sail in their own boat and let them decide their own fate. Why does it always have to come to violence and killing?

Let's all US smart folks and Righteous ones gather in a section of these United Sates and form The Conservative States of America and then fuck 'em all! Let 'em starve or fornicate themselves to death if they want Communism or Liberal values....

VooDoo
 

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So, you'd rather kill them than secede and let the ones we hate go their own way?

If "they" want Communism (and I just don't think anyone does but...) why don't we just push off and leave them in their own pile of shit to face the doom they created while US smart/Conservative folks just move on along to "The Conservative States of America" and get along with our Plan and let them go belly up in their vision of Utopia?

Why fight them any more? Why hate everyone who disagrees? Just secede and put all the Right Thinking People in one geographic region and let the Commies, Mommies, Socialists, Democrats, and Libtards set sail in their own boat and let them decide their own fate? Why does it always have to come to violence and killing?

Let's all US smart folks and Righteous ones gather in a section of these United Sates and form The Conservative States of America and then fuck 'em all! Let 'em starve or fornicate themselves to death if they want Communism or Liberal values....

VooDoo
Lol. You dont understand the enemy. They do not think like that. They live each day to push their agenda. They can not let it be. If we could seperate with the snap of a finger tomorrow, it would be only a matter of time before we are infiltrated again.

People need to wake up and face reality. We need to act harshly against Communists.
 

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SCOTUS seems to be conspicuously silent on a lot of the big issues that are dividing us. I do understand they will only take cases that are framed just right so their ruling will set a clear president but I have to believe at some point they could have chose to rule on a whole host of matters we have become the most divisive about. Heck if they ruled in favor of the 2A on semi autos and mag sizes it would cut half the threads down in the bear Pit alone. Ive personally just been hoping they are holding out on such cases until after Ruth kicks it.
Im thinking Obama created such an internal spy network that he has dirt on just about everybody.

They all seem to work contra to either the Constitution or good governance.

If any f them had any courage they would spill the beans.
 

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@voodoo. Question for you sir. If they (Democrats) don't want communism/socialism what is it that this current group of democrats want? This isn't Zell Miller running the show for the democrats, so what is it they stand for? Because from what I've heard, their platform sure doesn't sound like the "Reagan democrats" or the "Miller Democrats" but an awfully lot like pure socialism at the minimum. Could you articulate the democratic platform then? Granted, I'm really not sure about the repubic-cant platform either since I'm pretty sure their platform is blow-with-the-wind or we-just-do-not-have-one. Thanks.