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Looking at getting second suppressor which one is better trash panda or nomad
 

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What exactly will the suppressor be used for? Precision long range? AR mag dumps?
 

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Nomad hands down. Built like a tank and is quieter than an omega or a trash Panda.
 

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if you want modularity and enhanced brake- Nomad if want light the Trash Panda .trash panda is 13.8oz with Cherry Bomb , Nomad with plan b and CB would be 16.3oz. I get tired of hybrid mount coming loose and want lighter can so ordered Trash Panda for a lighter and shorter can . 6th can -so different ones for different purposes
 
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Anybody know what weight difference is for the Nomad with Plan B and Cherry Bomb is vs Trash Panda and Cherry Bomb?

Also to slightly thread jack if weight is the concern would the TBAC ultra 5 or 7 be a better option? I’m trying to go light and short as lugging my Surefire around is getting old.
read 3 posts above you on weights
 
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Anybody know what weight difference is for the Nomad with Plan B and Cherry Bomb is vs Trash Panda and Cherry Bomb?

Also to slightly thread jack if weight is the concern would the TBAC ultra 5 or 7 be a better option? I’m trying to go light and short as lugging my Surefire around is getting old.
Same exact boat as you. Surefires are killing me. Struggled hard with the decision too among Trash Panda, Ultra 5 and Nomad. Finally went with Nomad. Only about two ounces heavier than the Trash Panda with way more options including direct thread. And still shorter as best as I could guess. Rumors claim it may be quieter as well.

Still second guessing myself about the Ultra 5 as it’s only like 7-8 ounces. Just not sold on transitioning everything over to their brakes. Maybe there is a more elegant 419 solution but I don’t know enough about them either. . Planning on a form 1 5-6 inch all titanium build and see if that works.
 

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The Ultra 5 is a really small, sleek can, but too loud for my tastes. I know it's not supposed to be a dB chaser, but I was a bit surprised how much pop it had when I finally heard one. The Ultra 7 sounds much nicer.

The Nomad or Vox will be the next addition to my .30 Cal can addiction.
 
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The deciding factor for me between the Nomad and Trash Panda was that the Nomad can do either direct thread or mount (Plan B + cherry bomb, Key-Mo, ect) while the Trash Panda is only cherry bomb compatible. I'll run cherry bombs and Plan B for the AR's, but will go direct thread for bolt guns when I need to.
 
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I have a Trash Panda love it.. weighs nothing on the end of the gun.. I have done a few full auto mag dumps on my 9 inch 300BLK upper with supper sonic ammo runs just fine...

Something ells i noticed was the lack of back pressure while shooting did not choke me out doing those mag dumps.
 
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I have a Trash Panda love it.. weighs nothing on the end of the gun.. I have done a few full auto mag dumps on my 9 inch 300BLK upper with supper sonic ammo runs just fine...

Something ells i noticed was the lack of back pressure while shooting did not choke me out doing those mag dumps.
Yes, its about 7 or 8 oz. lighter weight than the Nomad (when both or in QD configuration), which is huge when on the muzzle.
 

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Given your uses I'd probably go with the Nomad for many reasons. Not the least of which is that I'd never in a million years give any of my money to Q. I've seen enough of KB's behavior to know he's not someone whose business I want to support in any way. I'm a TBAC guy for my uses but if I wanted a suppressor for a semi-auto I'd go with the Nomad. Dead Air is a great company and they make good products too.
 

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Im sure he does but there not really third party considering he is the founder of Q.
Exactly you just have to take KB's word for it since he's a bastion of integrity. The TP I heard was not impressive. Light yes but I don't think it will be very durable especially against sbr supersonic abuse.
 
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Im sure he does but there not really third party considering he is the founder of Q.
I know who he is and that he's not impartial, but since he's plainly stating that the TP is quieter than the Nomad he must have some comparative meter data that the statement is based on. There's no reason he can't share that data and we in turn can take it with a grain of salt like anything else on the internet.
 

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I know who he is and that he's not impartial, but since he's plainly stating that the TP is quieter than the Nomad he must have some comparative meter data that the statement is based on. There's no reason he can't share that data and we in turn can take it with a grain of salt like anything else on the internet.
Mfg DB tests are widely know to be manipulated...3rd party tests imo are a little more believable.

DB tests really are not the end all be all to perceived sound either. Like I said when I heard the nomad the first time on a full auto 10.5" ar I was dumbfounded. The tp I heard was noticeably louder in pitch to my ear. I am also extremely skeptical of their baffle construction. I don't have a nomad yet but will probably be picking one up this year.
 
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Exactly you just have to take KB's word for it since he's a bastion of integrity. The TP I heard was not impressive. Light yes but I don't think it will be very durable especially against sbr supersonic abuse.
Ridiculous and false. It's quiet, light, and extremely durable. Integrity?
 

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I know who he is and that he's not impartial, but since he's plainly stating that the TP is quieter than the Nomad he must have some comparative meter data that the statement is based on. There's no reason he can't share that data and we in turn can take it with a grain of salt like anything else on the internet.
Silencer Shop offers comparative dB testing. It's not something we offer. Especially in this type of biased forum scenario. I post numbers, you defend your emotions with claiming I'm biased, competitors change their published numbers to be lower...
 

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Mfg DB tests are widely know to be manipulated...3rd party tests imo are a little more believable.

DB tests really are not the end all be all to perceived sound either. Like I said when I heard the nomad the first time on a full auto 10.5" are I was dumbfounded. The tp I heard was noticeably louder in pitch to my ear. I am also extremely skeptical of their baffle construction. I don't have a nomad yet but will probably be picking one up this year.
The Trash Panda is quieter, as metered by Q and Silencer Shop. Silencer Shop distributes both Q and Dead Air products. Silencer Shop actually tends to push DA products more due to DA offering huge discounts and free stuff with most products. We don't have to do that sort of thing. The Nomad is much heavier, much more expensive, is simply painted, requires shims to mount their heavy muzzle devices (which degrade accuracy and cause POI shift). Also, it's not more durable when you have to thread in the rear mount...

Please explain our "baffle construction"? Or are you just trolling...
 

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Silencer Shop offers comparative dB testing. It's not something we offer. Especially in this type of biased forum scenario. I post numbers, you defend your emotions with claiming I'm biased, competitors change their published numbers to be lower...
Lol, what emotions do I have towards either can? You want to pull off lame, drive-by "it's quieter, just trust me" posts and then get indignant when anyone asks for the most basic backup for your statement?

When a similar question came up on Arfcom Dead Air posted some meter data with comparable cans, TBAC makes good metering videos all the time... apparently basic performance data on their products is "something they offer". I don't think I'm too concerned about the exact numbers anymore.
 

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Having personally tested da mounts with the nomad and the sandman line at 1k and 1500 yards all I can say is accuracy is excellent even though I own no DA cans so that marketing claim is bunk.

TP is lighter no doubt. As far as the nomad being heavier, I think that's inherent to the design being extremely well made and durable. I'm willing to sacrifice those few oz for long term performance.

Simply painted lol this is not arfcom wtf cares about paint? My cans are pushed to the edge and no matter what they get painted with it wears off.

And no I'm not trolling about your baffle construction. If your cans are as light as they are your sacrificing strength somewhere so I can only speculate given the materials you claim to be using as I have not seen a tp cross sectioned. Again we have to take your word for it and forgive most of us if we are slightly standoffish to Q products with Q's very verbal disdain for this sight, it's members, and anyone who qestions you. Out.
 
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And no I'm not trolling about your baffle construction. If your cans are as light as they are your sacrificing strength somewhere so I can only speculate given the materials you claim to be using as I have not seen a tp cross sectioned. Again we have to take your word for it and forgive most of us if we are slightly standoffish to Q products with Q's very verbal disdain for this sight, it's members, and anyone who qestions you. Out.
Cross sections are pretty readily available to view.


Also their Instagram has several pictures of their suppressors cut apart as well as seen in some Silencer Shop videos.
 

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Lol, what emotions do I have towards either can? You want to pull off lame, drive-by "it's quieter, just trust me" posts and then get indignant when anyone asks for the most basic backup for your statement?

When a similar question came up on Arfcom Dead Air posted some meter data with comparable cans, TBAC makes good metering videos all the time... apparently basic performance data on their products is "something they offer". I don't think I'm too concerned about the exact numbers anymore.
I think its cool that they do business the way that they choose.
 

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Having personally tested da mounts with the nomad and the sandman line at 1k and 1500 yards all I can say is accuracy is excellent even though I own no DA cans so that marketing claim is bunk.

TP is lighter no doubt. As far as the nomad being heavier, I think that's inherent to the design being extremely well made and durable. I'm willing to sacrifice those few oz for long term performance.

Simply painted lol this is not arfcom wtf cares about paint? My cans are pushed to the edge and no matter what they get painted with it wears off.

And no I'm not trolling about your baffle construction. If your cans are as light as they are your sacrificing strength somewhere so I can only speculate given the materials you claim to be using as I have not seen a tp cross sectioned. Again we have to take your word for it and forgive most of us if we are slightly standoffish to Q products with Q's very verbal disdain for this sight, it's members, and anyone who qestions you. Out.
I appreciate your opinions and speculations not based in merit.
 

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Cross sections are pretty readily available to view.


Also their Instagram has several pictures of their suppressors cut apart as well as seen in some Silencer Shop videos.
Yes, and he was just talking out of his ass. I'm not new to this, our products are durable. We have decades of experience and actual engineers, unlike most of the silencer companies, so we are able to build light weight, quiet, minimal POI shift, best accuracy, threads the right place, no carbon locking, no shim using, taper utilizing, durable silencers that are not overly heavy.

Just think, no one was doing tubeless silencers, until we did on the OG HB at AAC, then SIG, and now here. Now all the wannabes make 1.75" OD tubeless silencers with tapers... The Nomad is a SS Trash Panda.
 
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Lol, what emotions do I have towards either can? You want to pull off lame, drive-by "it's quieter, just trust me" posts and then get indignant when anyone asks for the most basic backup for your statement?

When a similar question came up on Arfcom Dead Air posted some meter data with comparable cans, TBAC makes good metering videos all the time... apparently basic performance data on their products is "something they offer". I don't think I'm too concerned about the exact numbers anymore.
Agree. Not concerned decibel rating anymore
Each can has different use. Taper idea is genius though when put on correct side of thread. Like my Sico cans but don’t like the mounts
 
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The problem with the TP is the brake is not a good brake. You want ports on the side, not in all directions.
 

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Agree. Not concerned decibel rating anymore
Each can has different use. Taper idea is genius though when put on correct side of thread. Like my Sico cans but don’t like the mounts
Agreed. Also, not having to shim muzzle devices is ideal.
 

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The problem with the TP is the brake is not a good brake. You want ports on the side, not in all directions.
I disagree as a blanket statement. The Cherry Bomb met the design requirements. And in most situations, the 360 degree venting is ok.
 

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I disagree as a blanket statement. The Cherry Bomb met the design requirements. And in most situations, the 360 degree venting is ok.
Of course you disagree... Your a salesman... pushing your product and yea Q markets well to a particular market segment. As you have clearly stated you are obviously the only one who has has ever designed supressors brakes etc and all us peasants/fags only speculate blah blah blah and have to take your word for it got it... nobody cares.

It looks to me like, and again I get to speculate well because I can it's the internet... you figured out you can make a super light can out of cheap Ti whether it's mimd or not I dunno because let's be real 90% of your customers are never going to be using their cans full auto so chances of the TP baffles failing are slim for the average consumer and even if it does the cost if a quick replacement is in the margin. That's fine I get it and I think those of us who have been shooting supressed for awhile understand this. There's no inconel, no stellite for that first baffle so if I had to guess that first baffle would get eaten up pretty quick on a 10.5" sbr doing mag dumps. Bolt gun sure it would prolly last awhile but again I'm clueless so who cares what I think.

To my ear and everyone on the range the day a guy showed up his TP agreed, the nomad and I should add, a silencerco hybrid sounded better to our ears than the TP. No DB meter just good old tone comparisons with our mk11 ear drums.

But I'm talking out of my ass...I think most smart people know that you also have a tendency to talk out of your ass too so it's all good.

Some people will buy Q stuff..great good for them no doubt the cans work as do 99% of the cans on the market. Glad we live in a free market system and nfa items are still legal. We as consumers get multiple choices to choose from and I have used cans from just about every mfg in business these days and no axe to grind but there is nothing special about the TP unless weight was your main requirment period.

The OP asked members of this forum which can we would recommend based on what I I hate to say it but our opinions... I answered based on my experience with the TP. Enjoy your stay here on the hide.
 

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Lets get something straight here. KB came to this forum months ago, had it out with other members, then tucked tail after everyone asked to see some hard data which KB refused to provide and still refuses to provide with some of the weakest excuses I've ever heard as to why. TBAC don't seem to have any trouble putting together simple and reliable tests and releasing them to the public, and KB/Q wouldn't either if it was a priority at all. Filming yourself metering and releasing an unedited version is hardly difficult. Put 1/10th the effort into that you do into your silly social media Q and it would be done.

KB isn't just an ass, but an anti-consumer one. Purposely withholding reliable data for the sake of sales is an anti-consumer practice. They are hardly alone in the suppressor manufacturing world, but most other suppressor companies aren't coming onto forums and making claims out their ass (just on their own websites).

And just to muddy the waters more ITT: Dead Air claims the Nomad is quieter. Q claims the Trash Panda is quieter. Neither have released test footage, but one is far more reliable and trustworthy than the other.

Furthermore, the Nomad is just a more versatile and durable can. The Nomad can be used with far more mounts and direct thread. It can be basically as light as the Trash Panda using the Griffin TI mount setup, and it can use a better QD system in the Keymo, or any other Omega-compatible mount system if you already are invested in 419 mounts or ASR or whatever. And it can go direct thread. And it is shorter and the baffles are a more durable material. So if we "aren't chasing a few db's" then I'm still not sure why I'd want the Trash Panda over the Nomad.

Not that any of this will matter for the king of unsubstantiated claims, but KB seriously just nut up and take some videos with your pulse FFS.
 
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