They shall not grow old.

Soulezoo

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My Grandfather fought at Meuse-Argonne and Ypres where he was wounded in action.
It was a horrible war (not that any are good) and I will have a hard time watching.
 

5RWill

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I need to find a theater on the 17th. I think too often this country forgets about both generations. Mainly WWI but the point still stands, glad to see someone in Hollywood bringing it to light.
 
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Jayjay1

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Just to throw a "German perspective" in.

My great-grandfathers and grandfathers fought in both great wars.
One of them died in WW I at the Somme, another one was a POW after WW II in Russia for 8 years and "survived" (physically).
A lot of our relatives in that generation didn´t make it, some children and women too.

I don´t want to cry about that, just set a statement as it is what it is.
History books tell often only one side of the coin, and the winners dictate who the aggressor was.
Which doesn´t mean that I want to defend the Nazis in the 3rd Reich at all, respetively what they did in Holocaust.
That has been the biggest crime in human history what I know.
So don´t get me wrong, I don´t want to wash anyone clean, but sometimes I wished the dirt would be more regular spread, to speak in pictures.

Every Nation and every family who suffered or had victims in those or any wars has my deep compassion, no matter who they are or where they come from.

But I see a really huge difference in the historical debate of those wars or in the dealing with Veterans then - and nowadays - in the States or over here.
Myself, as a Veteran of the Bundeswehr (which never fought in a war, but stood at the border when the wall came down) wearing the yellow ribbon for respect and support for the soldiers in action, were attacked by some leftist scum about two years ago.

There are no hero films of soldiers in Germany, not from WW I or II, not from now in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
The memorials with the names of the fallen soldiers which have been here around in almost every village are either pulled down or castrated from any signs of the military.
When soldiers come home from their tours from overseas no one would clap or welcome them.
Even a soldier in uniform is not safe of being insulted or worse if he walks in public.
There is no patriotism of any kind, if you show or express patriotism (not nationalism) of any kind, you are pressed as a Nazi.
You can´t show the national flag or sing the hymn of the BRD without being suspected.
The only place where this still is possible is at football games of the national team, which now is only named "the team" (die Mannschaft) and no longer national team.
Some green politicians even tried to ban the shirts of "the team" from the fans.
The nations in the EUdSSR should all be forgotten.

So on one side I´m a bit jealous and on the other side I´m ashamed of how the Germans treat their grandfathers which fought and died in the wars for their family and country.
Maybe they were misguided and had the wrong motives, but aren´t that all soldiers in some way?
Finally they fought for themselves, the man next to them, for their homes and families, like every soldier does.

I think we, the people of the western nations sharing the same values, should hold together and not being split by any politicians.

To close the circle, I really like to watch those Hollywood movies of the great wars, have seen all of them.
But I´m sick of still seeing the Germans as the bad guys, which were eating children or using saw-bayonets to rip up virgins.
That wasn´t true then, not for the Germans and not for any nation, and the war propaganda of today isn´t either in most any way.

"Wag the dog!" was a great movie too, which I liked.

Best wishes from Freiburg / Black Forest,
Jay
 
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JimLee

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Nov 14, 2018
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Just to throw a "German perspective" in.

My great-grandfathers and grandfathers fought in both great wars.
One of them died in WW I at the Somme, another one was a POW after WW II in Russia for 8 years and "survived" (physically).
A lot of our relatives in that generation didn´t make it, some children and women too.

I don´t want to cry about that, just set a statement as it is what it is.
History books tell often only one side of the coin, and the winners dictate who the aggressor was.
Which doesn´t mean that I want to defend the Nazis in the 3rd Reich at all, respetively what they did in Holocaust.
That has been the biggest crime in human history what I know.
So don´t get me wrong, I don´t want to wash anyone clean, but sometimes I wished the dirt would be more regular spread, to speak in pictures.

Every Nation and every family who suffered or had victims in those or any wars has my deep compassion, no matter who they are or where they come from.

But I see a really huge difference in the historical debate of those wars or in the dealing with Veterans then - and nowadays - in the States or over here.
Myself, as a Veteran of the Bundeswehr (which never fought in a war, but stood at the border when the wall came down) wearing the yellow ribbon for respect and support for the soldiers in action, were attacked by some leftist scum about two years ago.

There are no hero films of soldiers in Germany, not from WW I or II, not from now in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
The memorials with the names of the fallen soldiers which have been here around in almost every village are either pulled down or castrated from any signs of the military.
When soldiers come home from their tours from overseas no one would clap or welcome them.
Even a soldier in uniform is not safe of being insulted or worse if he walks in public.
There is no patriotism of any kind, if you show or express patriotism (not nationalism) of any kind, you are pressed as a Nazi.
You can´t show the national flag or sing the hymn of the BRD without being suspected.
The only place where this still is possible is at football games of the national team, which now is only named "the team" (die Mannschaft) and no longer national team.
Some green politicians even tried to ban the shirts of "the team" from the fans.
The nations in the EUdSSR should all be forgotten.

So on one side I´m a bit jealous and on the other side I´m ashamed of how the Germans treat their grandfathers which fought and died in the wars for their family and country.
Maybe they were misguided and had the wrong motives, but aren´t that all soldiers in some way?
Finally they fought for themselves, the man next to them, for their homes and families, like every soldier does.

I think we, the people of the western nations sharing the same values, should hold together and not being split by any politicians.

To close the circle, I really like to watch those Hollywood movies of the great wars, have seen all of them.
But I´m sick of still seeing the Germans as the bad guys, which were eating children or using saw-bayonets to rip up virgins.
That wasn´t true then, not for the Germans and not for any nation, and the war propaganda of today isn´t either in most any way.

"Wag the dog!" was a great movie too, which I liked.

Best wishes from Freiburg / Black Forest,
Jay
One thing I learned early in my military career, all soldiers think they are doing the right thing for their country and that they are the "good guys". I have killed my enemies, but I do not hate them. Very few soldiers are ever really the "bad guy", they are mostly just following orders. Your government (and the rest of the world) have kept the Nazi guilt alive for the purposes of further controlling the population in my opinion. Just like we here in the US are supposed to feel some collective guilt over slavery that ended over 150 years ago and are constantly browbeaten about it. I have been deployed to a few locations where German soldiers operated right along side US soldiers. I found them to be professional, very capable, and just good people like most soldiers are, and I am privileged to have served along side them. Be proud, i'm sorry your nation won't.