The Joker- Spoiler alert- it Sucked

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The Joker-

It was not a DC/ Marvel style comic... It could have been the Bernie Goetz story

A kid is bullied - the kid appears to be a genuine asshole - not likeable

As he is bullied, he becomes a killer....

This movie is more about how the kid in Colorado killed people in the movie theaters... It has NOTHING to do with the batman/ joker storyline...

I'm not sure if this is to get people to switch from ANTIFA to switch from pepper spray to guns....
I'm not sure if this is to get more people to shoot up theaters...

its a shit story and movie in my book


Other than an MFA, what am I missing?
 
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JOKER
Critics Consensus
Joker gives its infamous central character a chillingly plausible origin story that serves as a brilliant showcase for its star -- and a dark evolution for comics-inspired cinema.

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Verified Ratings: 60,059
 

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The Joker-

It was not a DC/ Marvel style comic... It could have been the Bernie Goetz story

A kid is bullied - the kid appears to be a genuine asshole - not likeable

As he is bullied, he becomes a killer....

This movie is more about how the kid in Colorado killed people in the movie theaters... It has NOTHING to do with the batman/ joker storyline...

I'm not sure if this is to get people to switch from ANTIFA to switch from pepper spray to guns....
I'm not sure if this is to get more people to shoot up theaters...

its a shit story and movie in my book


Other than an MFA, what am I missing?
Holy shit this is one of the most smooth-brain takes I have ever seen. This is literally one of the finest movies ever produced off of a comics property, and quite possibly the best performance of this decade by the lead.

WTF were you expecting, acid spraying flowers and gag jokes? LOL


I haven't even seen it and I know that's a stretch.
If you haven't seen it you know nothing. This movie will be remembered for decades as a touchstone of the current social climate, and Phoenix's performance absolutely will go down as one of the best of all time. You should go see it before poopoo-ing what he said.
 

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Holy shit this is one of the most smooth-brain takes I have ever seen.
Hahaha, I haven't seen this term used in FOREVER! :ROFLMAO:

Honestly, it wasn't quite what I expected, but I wasn't too far off. I still prefer Ledger's Joker overall, but hot damn did Phoenix pull off a fast one here! Honestly one of my favorite movies in recent time (though I don't see as many as I used to). You can view it like the OP did and be put off. Or you can view it as the reality that it portrays, and realize that society has a problem. Mental health is a huge issue that too many people put off or put down, but it's at the heart of the so-called "gun problem" we see today. It ain't the gun, it's the shooter, and so many of them have a screw loose somewhere that just needs tightening. Mental health carries such a stigma with it, when in reality, SOOOO many people are half a bubble off plumb in some way, and they don't get the help they need and deserve because of how they'd be viewed for doing so.

"The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."

This isn't an excuse for their behavior, IMO. But rather it's a true statement that some folks legit have a mental issue, and society expects you to just smile and carry on. Think about it. When two people encounter each other, one asks "How are you?" and the other invariably replied "Good!" This reply is given by probably 95%+ of people, even when their life could be an absolute dumpster fire, because society expects you to act like life is all rainbows and unicorn farts. And that's just normal people! Those who genuinely need help are even more boxed in.

Additionally, yeah, the show knocked on bullies. Why? Because their assholes. Look at the Hide. We're just a collective bunch of assholes, but for the most part, a lot of us older hands are used to it. Sometimes we get each others' goat and panties get twisted, but for the most part, people cool off eventually and things carry on. That doesn't always happen in society. And quite frankly, people can be douches for absolutely no reason, just like the guys on the subway who got more than they bargained for. They made a scene for no reason, and unfortunately for them, their victim had enough. If anything, people should take away that if you're an ass, sometimes that comes with consequences. Maybe not moral or legal ones, but if you want to be an ass, eventually you're gonna run into a bigger/more fed-up ass who will dominate you. Stop being an ass, and life gets better for everybody.

Whew. Rant over.

If you haven't seen it, don't judge a movie by it's trailer. And if you saw it and didn't like it for any reason other than it was more gore than you expected, you're missing the point/message of the film.
 

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I liked it. Gritty, intimate -- at times hard to watch. I also like that it created empathy for one of the hallmark villains of DC comics and gave us a different, darker view of the Waynes. Little Bruce Wayne sliding down a pole in one scene was a bit on the nose, but overall I thought the story was riveting.

And Joaquin Phoenix is a complete waco but damned if he isn't a generational talent among actors who are little more than pretty boys who memorize someone else's art. After Joker, I put him on the level of DD Lewis. Rare air indeed.
 
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