Yeah "I get that". I was just wondering what folks thought about the different brands; but since you brought up barrels--who uses "good barrels"?Barrel, start with good barrel....it’s the heart of the system. All of the ones with a good barrel will shoot about the same. The rest of it comes down to features, find the one with the features that you like and the pick a good SS barrel. I would avoid the ones with these new start up barrel companies but that’s me.
Rock & Lilja button barrels are fully the equal, w/o doubt. Also there is such a thing as being too smooth & becoming a copper fouler, just sayin'.I think they make them. With a bore scope they are unmatched in finish. No idea where they could buy them that good.
They give a new meaning to the term Mirror Finish.
I like Aero Enhanced. They work for me and the price (when on sale) for receivers and handguards is about what you would spend on anything decent which let's you spend money on your barrel, trigger and other parts that have an impact on accuracy.Im just looking for opinions but Id your like reasons. Are there any bargains?
So lets see what you think. HK DD LMT LaRue AERO (is the enhanced upper really better)
I did some further digging & you are right, they do appear to make them. Found a reference that says he bought the equipment & does the drilling, reaming & both cut & button rifling in house.I think they make them. With a bore scope they are unmatched in finish. No idea where they could buy them that good.
They give a new meaning to the term Mirror Finish.
What he said ,barrel is everything in the AR world.Barrel, start with good barrel....it’s the heart of the system. All of the ones with a good barrels will shoot about the same. The rest of it comes down to features, find the one with the features that you like and then pick a good SS barrel. I would avoid the ones with these new start up barrel companies but that’s me.
I know a local gunsmith who shoots a Les Baer and he vouches the same. His rifle is a real pig but shoots lights out. He’s built premium ARs with best parts, but the Les outshoots all of them. Unsure what the magic is, but I think I read they use Lothar Walter barrels.I once did a lot of testing on the 5.56 AR platform. Over 50 rifles. Due to being subsidized, budget was very high. (Basically unlimited)
I tested multiple models of the best brands.
Long to short is that Les Baer barrels are hands down the best. His features suck and Les can be an absolute ass. If I wanted a sub .25 moa AR I would not know who would be my second choice but my first would be Baer. Barrels are expensive.
Most of the better makers will get you sub MOA for 10 shot groups with a good trigger.
Douglas barrels as set up by Alan Brown are excellent for heavy bullets (77 SMK).
I don’t know if he is still doing them.
I have had good luck with Proof barrels so far. Recommend getting a top end AR accuracy builder to assemble. I know you (and I) can do it ourselves but the cost is small for having a pro do it. I can bolt a motor togather as well but if I’m running top fuel I would hire the best mechanic I could get. The cost is lower than the time and ammo you could spend diagnosing a home build problem.
I like KAC PARTS. My few remaining rifles are mostly built on KAC uppers and lowers with Geissele triggers. Doubt that makes much difference. I like them and the budget was high. You will encounter a lot of KAC hate. Mostly from hater types not based on facts. I have sold dozens of KAC rifles and parts. Folks scramble for them. (Sometimes it’s the same folks who are the haters) I’m guessing a lot of the hate is budgetary constraints being vocalized.
I like JP stuff and if buying today I would strongly consider a JP set up to my specs. 18” barrels are far superior to 16” for killing IMO.
I have no data on ranking the other rifles. Once they failed I moved on. My project was simply to find the best, not rank them. Nor will I list the models tested etc.
A last note, Noveski had nice features but accuracy on the 3 tested was not acceptable. I’ll get some hate there. Might have been a fluke. My impression was they were tank strong and accuracy was a distant second priority. Noveski with Baer barrel would get high marks no doubt.
Definitely laughing. Since MANY (not all) of the barrels out there will shoot better than most shootersOk, you can laugh.
There are two types of folks on this site. Good shots and those who aspire to be good shots.
Both require good barrels.
If you do not, consider starting a thread on a source for crap barrels and see the response you get.
nah. I just recognize that just buying a more expensive barrel doesn't mean it's better and that there are lots of quality options out there.Great, drive on. You clearly have no desire to improve and a barrel that limits you is no limit at all.
Alright, I’ll bite. 13/F/Cali since it matters to you so much.I am not at all sure that it is relevant to the discussion. More so as the question is ask by two people with "private" settings. If you have an issue with that simply disregard my results and drive on.