KRG Bravo for CTR that can take TRG/CTR mags?

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Does anyone know if they ever plan on release this option?

I know others are interested and I would buy one in a heartbeat. TRG/CTR mags are better than the 10rd AICS mags and are $75ea.

I think they'd sell a ton of them.
 

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I guess the interest must not be there after all. I will just keep the OEM stock on my CTR I guess as I am unwilling to give up the better CTR mags just to get a different chassis.
 
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They have the specs to do it. you can always buy one and have a smith open up the chassis to accept them. Look in the bravo thread they have all the specs for the conversion.
 

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I would seriously order one within hours of you announcing their availability.

There is interest over on ar15.com as well for this option.
 

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This is a pretty dumb idea. CTR mags are defective in design. You can find posts and reviews on various websites with people complaining the mags won't seat or feed properly. Some people also complain even if the mags seat they don't lockup tight like the magpul or AI mags in other manufacturer actions. Lots of folks on this forum have gone with a different stock and mags to avoid this issue altogether. The sako mags are better but only marginally.

Use MDT mags for all KRG chassis if you have a T3. Since MDT offers both polymer and metal magazines, there isn't really a reason to burn cash on AI mags, but you can buy those if you want.

Let KRG focus on their own designs and let Tikka focus on bettering magazine design and action/magazine interface.
 

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I would sell my Bravo for a CTR/TRG Bravo the minute they are available. TRG mags are WAY better than AICS mags IMO, easier to load, smoother and shorter. If only the price of them would come down.
 

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This is a pretty dumb idea. CTR mags are defective in design. You can find posts and reviews on various websites with people complaining the mags won't seat or feed properly. Some people also complain even if the mags seat they don't lockup tight like the magpul or AI mags in other manufacturer actions. Lots of folks on this forum have gone with a different stock and mags to avoid this issue altogether. The sako mags are better but only marginally.

Use MDT mags for all KRG chassis if you have a T3. Since MDT offers both polymer and metal magazines, there isn't really a reason to burn cash on AI mags, but you can buy those if you want.

Let KRG focus on their own designs and let Tikka focus on bettering magazine design and action/magazine interface.

This has not been my experience. Quite the opposite, actually. Also, MDT mags have a shorter max OAL (2.80" vs CTR mag's 2.95"), which is problematic with rounds like 6.5 CM.

Only thing keeping me from ordering a Bravo is TRG/CTR mag compatibility. Sounds like it's workable if you mill, grind or file the Bravo magwell and get the TRG mag catch.
 
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A Bravo with the factory CTR bottom metal should be able to feed from both CTR mags, and MDT's poly AICS mags. I use both types in my CTR (in a GRS Berserk with standard CTR bottom metal).
 

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I have three CTRs never had a single problem with running CTR mags I also think they are better than AICS mags double vs single stack I will take a double stack mag all day every day. I was also going to buy a Bravo chassis, but when I learned they wouldn’t accept CTR mags I passed.
 

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This is a pretty dumb idea. CTR mags are defective in design. You can find posts and reviews on various websites with people complaining the mags won't seat or feed properly. Some people also complain even if the mags seat they don't lockup tight like the magpul or AI mags in other manufacturer actions. Lots of folks on this forum have gone with a different stock and mags to avoid this issue altogether. The sako mags are better but only marginally.

Use MDT mags for all KRG chassis if you have a T3. Since MDT offers both polymer and metal magazines, there isn't really a reason to burn cash on AI mags, but you can buy those if you want.

Let KRG focus on their own designs and let Tikka focus on bettering magazine design and action/magazine interface.
If you have an issue with latch engagement or fitting 10rds in you can take out the little plate in the mag.

It isn’t necessary. After which you’ll find it runs and locks in to perfection. For reference I’m talking about the TRG mag that the CTR came with originally.

It’s not a mag issue it’s largely to do with the stock.

If you take the action out you’ll get positive engagement from the dbm with the action.

Took me a while to resolve this but I seriously believe the CTR dbm in every way is one of the best around.

The TRG mag is a very good thing running correctly.

In contrast, I like that you can strip an aics mag and remove bottom plate to clean. They are also better metal quality in my opinion.
 

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We may consider it in the future. We're trying to gauge demand. The Sako mags are better I think but not perfect. Supposedly actual TRG mag prices might start dropping.
Justin
The only difference between the T3x CTR mags and the T3 CTR/TRG mags is they added a plastic bottom to the T3x CTR mags so they won't fit in a TRG. I run a T3 CTR mag and two T3x CTR mags in my Tikka with the factory bottom metal and a German Gun Stock Predator. The only feeding issues I have had were because I tried to load a little too long coal and hitting the mag with a bag and nothing between the mag and the support bag. I moved my bipod farther forward and am looking at putting some kind of barricade stop just in front of the magazine. A longer front action screw and some aluminum would be the easy fix.
 

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The only difference between the T3x CTR mags and the T3 CTR/TRG mags is they added a plastic bottom to the T3x CTR mags so they won't fit in a TRG. I run a T3 CTR mag and two T3x CTR mags in my Tikka with the factory bottom metal and a German Gun Stock Predator. The only feeding issues I have had were because I tried to load a little too long coal and hitting the mag with a bag and nothing between the mag and the support bag. I moved my bipod farther forward and am looking at putting some kind of barricade stop
How do you like the German Gun Stock. I like the look of the new Ranger. Price wise though I could get a full carbon Manners or McMillan. Is the GGS as rigid as the others?

On topic though, a Bravo that accepts CTR bottom and mags (with a cheekrest that clears the bolt) would be nice given the pricepoint.
 

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How do you like the German Gun Stock. I like the look of the new Ranger. Price wise though I could get a full carbon Manners or McMillan. Is the GGS as rigid as the others?

On topic though, a Bravo that accepts CTR bottom and mags (with a cheekrest that clears the bolt) would be nice given the pricepoint.
I really like the GGS, and the Ranger is even lighter. If I were looking for a hunting rifle stock, the Ranger would be on my short list. I wouldn't want my gun to be any lighter for PRS positional shooting, it is quite a bit lighter than most guy's match rifles as it sits. I looked at the full carbon Manners and McMillan, but the GGS was a better deal for the $$ considering the aluminum mini chassis.

I was looking at the Ranger for my Tikka Varmint .223, but the Bravo has my attention for sure. I am already running the MDT mags in the T3 stock with CDI bottom metal.
 

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I really like the GGS, and the Ranger is even lighter. If I were looking for a hunting rifle stock, the Ranger would be on my short list. I wouldn't want my gun to be any lighter for PRS positional shooting, it is quite a bit lighter than most guy's match rifles as it sits. I looked at the full carbon Manners and McMillan, but the GGS was a better deal for the $$ considering the aluminum mini chassis.

I was looking at the Ranger for my Tikka Varmint .223, but the Bravo has my attention for sure. I am already running the MDT mags in the T3 stock with CDI bottom metal.
Thanks for the info. I guess not having handled them it didn't seem like it was that much lighter (just sub 3 lb) compared to the Manners in carbon, but I guess the chassis adds 6 oz or so which adds to the difference. Glad to know you like it though. I'll keep it on the list.
 

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The only difference between the T3x CTR mags and the T3 CTR/TRG mags is they added a plastic bottom to the T3x CTR mags so they won't fit in a TRG.
This is true and has something to do with import/export regulations. CTR mag is not a part of TRG. I have mag without plastic bottom in my CTR and it was exactly the same than TRG-22 mag compared side by side.
 

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This is true and has something to do with import/export regulations. CTR mag is not a part of TRG. I have mag without plastic bottom in my CTR and it was exactly the same than TRG-22 mag compared side by side.
The T3 CTR mags are the same as the TRG mags, they added the plastic bottom on the T3x CTR mags. I have a T3 CTR and it came with the TRG mag.
 

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re: Mags, I think some forget, that the early CTR's came with TRG mags, NOT CTR mags. It was what drove me to change to AICS (they were $200 a pop back then).

Perhaps @Lowlight can comment on which ones he's had problems with?

As to the Bravo with a CTR Mag option? I'd say there's market for it, just not sure how big that market is. With the growing popularity of the Tikka offerings though, I'd wager it (the market space) will continue to increase.

JMTCW...
 

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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
Justin
 

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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
Justin
In the world of 4 and 5 Axis CNC it’s a different tool path file, a few more aluminum chips in the scrap bin, and a new SKU # for the option. Really not much different than a new ceracoat color option.
I have my new CTR and I bought 2 extra CTR mags during one of Berretta’s holiday sales for $ 69 each, so the mags can be bought at reasonable prices when on sale.
 
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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
Justin
I'd vote for the Bravo, since that meets most people's price point...and they can always stick an X-Ray stock on the Bravo backbone if that's their dealio...
 
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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
Justin
Just trying to get a Rem SA with the W3 backbone has been problematic.
 

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TTT...trying to find out if there is any hope for this. Manners T4A for CTR is the alternative for me.
I pushed for a CTR Bravo awhile back and it was clear that KRG wasn't pursuing it at the time, so I went with the T4A and couldn't be happier. My CTR mag has been awesome and switching to AICS wouldn't allow me to feed the ammo I'm running now, so that was a complete non-starter. I wouldn't trade my CTR mag for a dozen AICS mags, and I sure wasn't even considering buying a stock that forced me to switch.

As for Bravo itself, I think it's fine. But once you consider that it's $400 plus shipping, plus another $50-$75 for a mag, then you're into it $500-ish. You can get a Manners for just $100-$150 more, so it was an absolute no-brainer to me. I've held the Bravo at the range, and the ergonomics of it don't even remotely compete with the Manners. I feel stupid for even considering the Bravo given that the Manners can be had so affordably. The one thing the Manners is missing is adjustable LOP, which you can add for around $100 down the road.

Overall, if you love AICS, the Bravo is a decent value. But for the minimal price difference, the T4A is hard to pass up, and it's a really easy decision if you like the CTR mags as much as I do.
 

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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
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Bravo. I now have two AICS mags. Still don't care for them. TRG/CTR mags are shorter and don't allow for a round to pop out the end while loading the mag.
 

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Just trying to get a Rem SA with the W3 backbone has been problematic.
Aren't all Bravos now shipping with the W-3 backbone?

@Massoud can confirm this, but I'm thinking they made the switch last summer or fall (though now I'm not seeing anything specifying this on the Bravo product page).
 
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I'd vote for the Bravo, since that meets most people's price point...and they can always stick an X-Ray stock on the Bravo backbone if that's their dealio...

Same here. I will buy a Bravo but I'd pass on the others since I'm looking for an economical option for the CTR.
 

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Aren't all Bravos now shipping with the W-3 backbone?

@Massoud can confirm this, but I'm thinking they made the switch last summer or fall (though now I'm seeing anything specifying this on the Bravo product page).
I thought that was for long action only, the website still talks about the W3
 

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I pushed for a CTR Bravo awhile back and it was clear that KRG wasn't pursuing it at the time, so I went with the T4A and couldn't be happier. My CTR mag has been awesome and switching to AICS wouldn't allow me to feed the ammo I'm running now, so that was a complete non-starter. I wouldn't trade my CTR mag for a dozen AICS mags, and I sure wasn't even considering buying a stock that forced me to switch.

As for Bravo itself, I think it's fine. But once you consider that it's $400 plus shipping, plus another $50-$75 for a mag, then you're into it $500-ish. You can get a Manners for just $100-$150 more, so it was an absolute no-brainer to me. I've held the Bravo at the range, and the ergonomics of it don't even remotely compete with the Manners. I feel stupid for even considering the Bravo given that the Manners can be had so affordably. The one thing the Manners is missing is adjustable LOP, which you can add for around $100 down the road.

Overall, if you love AICS, the Bravo is a decent value. But for the minimal price difference, the T4A is hard to pass up, and it's a really easy decision if you like the CTR mags as much as I do.
This is ridiculous, stop shitting on our thread.
 

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I'd say a Bravo as well...it offers cheap arses like me an adjustable stock option.
 

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It is not dead, SHOT and holiday season just slow things up. It's not a 100% go but it's far from dead. If we only offered one chassis version, which would you guys purchase: W-3, Bravo, X-ray?
Thank you,
Justin
Hey Justin,

Huge fan of the CTR mags over AICS as well. I for one would be very interested in a Whiskey 3 that accepted the CTR mag.
 

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I'll also vote for the Bravo. I know AICS is the standard, but I think the CTR are better overall (double stack and longer OAL).
 

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This is ridiculous, stop shitting on our thread.
LOL

Go find the posts. They're on here and I didn't delete or alter them. I wanted a CTR Bravo, and I was told it wasn't happening anytime soon, so I found another option. Lots of us like the CTR mags, but KRG didn't have any interest in catering to that crowd, so I bought a product from a company who did have interest in making a product we wanted. CTR mags allow a longer OAL than AICS, so for long-throated Tikka factory barrels, moving to AICS is an issue. I'm sorry that you didn't like my comments, but they were a direct response to someone who said they wanted a Bravo CTR but were considering a T4A, which was literally the exact same situation I was in. I made the decision months ago and I was giving a follow-up report on how I felt after my decision. I'm pretty sure that's one of the primary functions of an online forum - to share experiences. I feel like I got a far superior product for a negligible difference in price, and I also didn't have to deal with switching to what (for me) is an inferior magazine system in the process. Win-win.

All in all, KRG makes a good product for a fair price and is obviously selling a ton of stocks, but you can't get butt-hurt when you make a business decision that you don't want to cater to a certain crowd and those people take their business elsewhere. That's a bad combination of arrogance and ignorance.
 

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Bravo...

Moussed - is it possible to special order now that way and pay an up charge from KRG?
 

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We do not take payment up front, we have seen repeatedly that ends up being better for everyone.

It does seem that the Bravo is the preferred first option.

We like the TRG/CTR spec mag as well, all in all I think it's a better design. However they can have issues, we have one that only holds 9 rounds, they rust, etc. Fortunately now the price isn't ~$250 a mag anymore.

Thanks guys,
Justin
 
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LOL

Go find the posts. They're on here and I didn't delete or alter them. I wanted a CTR Bravo, and I was told it wasn't happening anytime soon, so I found another option. Lots of us like the CTR mags, but KRG didn't have any interest in catering to that crowd, so I bought a product from a company who did have interest in making a product we wanted. CTR mags allow a longer OAL than AICS, so for long-throated Tikka factory barrels, moving to AICS is an issue. I'm sorry that you didn't like my comments, but they were a direct response to someone who said they wanted a Bravo CTR but were considering a T4A, which was literally the exact same situation I was in. I made the decision months ago and I was giving a follow-up report on how I felt after my decision. I'm pretty sure that's one of the primary functions of an online forum - to share experiences. I feel like I got a far superior product for a negligible difference in price, and I also didn't have to deal with switching to what (for me) is an inferior magazine system in the process. Win-win.

All in all, KRG makes a good product for a fair price and is obviously selling a ton of stocks, but you can't get butt-hurt when you make a business decision that you don't want to cater to a certain crowd and those people take their business elsewhere. That's a bad combination of arrogance and ignorance.
I do not doubt someone told you it wasn't going to happen anytime soon, that is not what was ridiculous. We were buried all last year. What I was referencing was your comparison to a Manners T4.

-You can tell by looking the ergonomics are going to be similar, they are both based around the Mcmillan A series shape.
-A T3 Bravo is $389
-Mag is another $50-75
That gets you a modular stock with a full length aluminum backbone, tool-less cheekpiece height, spacer LOP (spacers included), plus MLOK, QD, and KRG pattern mount points, magazine ready, NV mount ready, Spigot mount ready, Arca Rail ready, additional forends available, I could go on.

A Manners T4:
-$655 with adjustable cheekpiece height ($515 without), comes inletted
-Fixed butt/LOP
-pillars included for the epoxy bedding that is either a requirement or not totally necessary depending on who you ask.
-No bottom metal, no mag (both of those you get with the CTR so you save $ there)
-No mini chassis or aluminum backbone for that price
-MPA rail and NV mount are options, must be cut into the stock, does have optional LOP adjustment feature that can be added, limited other items.

I could get really deep into the weeds on the comparison and look at a cost of bringing the Manners up to a chassis standard for features but I won't. They are not directly comparable. You get so much more in a chassis, any chassis, not just KRG.

I know Tom and I like him, there's a definite place for the fiberglass/carbon fiber stocks. It's a different market. That's why we don't put up a full comparison list on our website. But to say that the cost is comparable and the ergo's aren't even remotely close is ridiculous. The cost is similar if you're looking at a logarithmic scale but a few hundred dollars in this situation is nearly the cost of another Bravo chassis or a lot of ammo.
Justin
 

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For a hobbyist shooter like me, I would immediately buy a Bravo that took CTR mags. If I had a bunch of AICS mags like a lot of the more serious shooters here, then that would be different. All in all, I don't get why locking either side out makes sense. Offer both. It can only help.
 
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