Is the military elite planning a coup d'état?

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"But, beneath the outward sense of hope and duty that I witnessed at these two events, there was an underlying current of frustration, humiliation, anger and fear that echoed across the sidelines. The America that they believed in was under attack, not from without, but from within," he wrote.

McRaven recalled that at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, a retired four-star general "grabbed my arm, shook me and shouted, 'I don’t like the Democrats, but Trump is destroying the Republic!'"
This is treading dangerously close to a line that the military will be made to regret if it crosses it.
 

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I don’t see it happening.

As far as his Bin Laden creds go likely there are hundreds of Generals/Admirals who could have done the same thing.

When I read things like this, my first thought is, what is he trying to hide?
 

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Wasn't McRaven the Director of NSA who lied repeatedly under oath about having no knowledge of any FISA Warrants but helped in the FISA investigation of a US citizen .
Effin , lyin POS . So now his opinion matters .
 
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Wasn't McRaven the Director of NSA who lied repeatedly under oath about having no knowledge of any FISA Warrants but helped in the FISA investigation of a US citizen .
Effin , lyin POS . So now his opinion matters .
No, you're thinking of someone else
 

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No, you're thinking of someone else
Likely entrenched deep-stater James Clapper, the former DNI who started a pissing match after Trump pulled John Brennan's (holdover D-CIA) security clearance. Or Michael Flynn, Trump's short-lived National Security Advisor, who was convicted of lying to the FBI about his association with various Russian operatives. Yeah, I know, it's hard to keep all these guys straight, or seperate the patriots from the deep-state.
 

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There was an Admiral that looked similar to this asshat that testified as director of NSA .
The NSA is under the jurisdiction of the Army. An Admiral would not be in charge of the NSA.

edited to say scratch that. Former head is USAF. I’ll stfu now. But I believe it’s ADM Mike Rogers you are thinking of.
 

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Last I heard Brennan’s security clearances were never taken. “People” in the administration were dragging their feet

Mcraven left the Navy and went to Univ of Texas as chancellor. He was a failure and tried to buck the big money at UT. He was kicked out.
 

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People were saying stuff you "just now happen to notice" for decades. Your army has been fucked and is staffed with politicians and whole negative selection thingy for a huge while now. So no wonder anyone holding rank of general is an asshat and yet you still masturbate on "operators" who are nothing but dumb peasants on the grand chess board to be moved around and sacrificed on a whim (from a mostly completely piece of shit human beings).

Trump for all his failings did something fantastic he managed to shine a light on this vermin and i think in the long run he will be a positive figure who helped with initial process of "releasing a genie" aka shining light into the cesspool of deep state.
 

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Hi,

And you have only had a professional standing army since when...something like 2003 right?
On top of that...your entire armed forces equals what....something like 7000 active duty members, lololol

We have Sheriffs Departments larger and better equipped than your Armed Forces, hahahaha

Sincerely,
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and this relates to the negative selection how exactly? I'd assume you'd be a bit more intelligent that hill billy from the trailer park but i guess not... pity.

Will you deny that getting two/three stars means you are proficient in the art of anal alpinism? Can you say for sure that those that climb through ranks are those (in majority) that really display "the best of" and not some other traits?

As to your police force -> sure you do but lately they seem to have trouble finding proper addresses and apartments and they keep fragging wrong people... At least in my shithole of a country i am pretty safe from the police...weird feeling huh ???
 

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Key word is *retired*...which means they are free to share their opinions just like everybody else. Unlike everybody else, their rank gives those opinions a level of credibility with the media and society at large that former Specialist Carl dosn't get.

McRaven has been critical of Trump for years, this isn't new.
 
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and this relates to the negative selection how exactly? I'd assume you'd be a bit more intelligent that hill billy from the trailer park but i guess not... pity.

Will you deny that getting two/three stars means you are proficient in the art of anal alpinism? Can you say for sure that those that climb through ranks are those (in majority) that really display "the best of" and not some other traits?

As to your police force -> sure you do but lately they seem to have trouble finding proper addresses and apartments and they keep fragging wrong people... At least in my shithole of a country i am pretty safe from the police...weird feeling huh ???
I believe his point was we don’t need to hear from anyone who ain’t got a dog in the fight. P.s. people living in grass huts shouldn't make fun of trailer parks.
 

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These shitbirds are NOT the POTUS. They werent elected turd collector. Were i the CIC, i’d strip these assholes of everything i could.

I want to know, when are all these leakers and such going to get charged? Why the fuck are they not making mass arrests on these folks? They like using the power of the government against the citizenry, and their political opponents....so why the fuck are they waiting? I wanna see motherfucker frog marched into prison.
 

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A military coup attempt wouldn't be effective untill civil war broke out.

Like when complete anarchy hit the fan.

Then a portion of the people would welcome that action.

Imho
 

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and this relates to the negative selection how exactly? I'd assume you'd be a bit more intelligent that hill billy from the trailer park but i guess not... pity.

Will you deny that getting two/three stars means you are proficient in the art of anal alpinism? Can you say for sure that those that climb through ranks are those (in majority) that really display "the best of" and not some other traits?

As to your police force -> sure you do but lately they seem to have trouble finding proper addresses and apartments and they keep fragging wrong people... At least in my shithole of a country i am pretty safe from the police...weird feeling huh ???
I believe his point was we don’t need to hear from anyone who ain’t got a dog in the fight. P.s. people living in grass huts shouldn't make fun of trailer parks.
Personally I welcome his views. They are far more balance and less one sided than most I see here and offer a view from outside our country.
 

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Personally I welcome his views. They are far more balance and less one sided than most I see here and offer a view from outside our country.
Somethings are as simple as right or wrong. Why would you need the view of the person in the wrong. Other things are more complicated of course.
 

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At least in my shithole of a country i am pretty safe from the police...weird feeling huh ???
Hi,

Tell that to the Roma.......
Just because it may not happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen right or is that concept only good when it is something you trying to make as a point?

Ironically you bitching about "Generals" yet you probably should be thanking this specific General pictured here because without him your country would not have received any of the below Defense Aide.......

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Sincerely,
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I’m sure plenty of money has recently made its way into the hands of McRaven’s family.
 

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Roma : You must be kidding right? Police are afraid to enter their turf and to police them let alone do something about them. Exactly the wrong case to make an example of. Bad bad attempt try again...

Many zeroes on that help i’m sure it really helped out 7k army to evolve into deadly fighting force ready to take its place in NATO forces -> Russians must be shitting their pants (especially now since we’ll buy whopping 8 6x6 GE/Steyr vehicles)

Somehow i still dont understand how that relates to your military (higher ups) being politicized and i’d dared to say to certain extent even corrupt (big fat CEO jobs after they exit at major contractors). Totally unsanitary and completely ignored by everyone as if completely normal. If yout three letter agencies focused more on investigating that than what Trump courts would be filled by ex brass.

As long as you think that its ok to defend your country by bombing half a world and telling everyone how to live properly you will have to endure “opinions of grass hut people” but youre free to ignore if you like - i wonder why you dont?
 
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"Bombing half a world" and "Telling everyone how to live" Yeah, I am going to take you up on that ignore option.
 
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Roma : You must be kidding right? Police are afraid to enter their turf and to police them let alone do something about them. Exactly the wrong case to make an example of. Bad bad attempt try again...

Many zeroes on that help i’m sure it really helped out 7k army to evolve into deadly fighting force ready to take its place in NATO forces -> Russians must be shitting their pants (especially now since we’ll buy whopping 8 6x6 GE/Steyr vehicles)

Somehow i still dont understand how that relates to your military (higher ups) being politicized and i’d dared to say to certain extent even corrupt (big fat CEO jobs after they exit at major contractors). Totally unsanitary and completely ignored by everyone as if completely normal. If yout three letter agencies focused more on investigating that than what Trump courts would be filled by ex brass.

As long as you think that its ok to defend your country by bombing half a world and telling everyone how to live properly you will have to endure “opinions of grass hut people” but youre free to ignore if you like - i wonder why you dont?
NO shit. The Roma are scum, just another name for 'Gypsies'. Foul, lying, cheating, motherfuckers.
Anyt shit they get they deserve X 10.
 

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Hi,

Tell that to the Roma.......
Just because it may not happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen right or is that concept only good when it is something you trying to make as a point?

Ironically you bitching about "Generals" yet you probably should be thanking this specific General pictured here because without him your country would not have received any of the below Defense Aide.......

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Sincerely,
Theis
That E9 looks young....nice duty
 

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The whole world truth is like a very large elephant being examined by a group of blind men.
Every one of them knows some truth, but only what they experience. They can listen to the others describe the truth of the elephant portion they found.
The tail man might describe a bristly hairy ropey thing near a bad odor. The trunk man might describe a large muscular rope like tube near a bad odor.
The foot man will describe a large tree like object.
All them describe the truth they find. Its their part of the elephant they know, but, it's not the same for them all.
Some people are more difficult to convince than others that their truth is incomplete, and there are more facets of the truth to be found.
It's a big elephant that takes a blind man a while to examine and understand......

I learned much much more about the Estadio United, by traveling outside it, than I did by the given propaganda inside.
Outside, in the presence of learned intelligent individuals, I learned of things not pleasant about us, and on my return, located documentation that told the truths I learned outside. I became aware.
As I traveled more outside, learned more, returned and verified, I also began to find some pretty extreme differences on the written history of events I lived through.
Kinda got angry, because certain parts of the country judged me, me, on the reported recorded history that was slanted by propaganda and agenda. I found people afraid of me and people from my area, because they believed all the bullshit that was pushed as truth by our government on us all in public education.

Today, the slant is the worst I have seen in my life. The lies are huge. The propaganda horrendous. The fake news unreal. The history in education a sick joke.
If you want the whole truth, sometimes you best go outside, look, listen, discern, and learn.
Recently I met a childhood friend from Panama I hadn't seen in 20 years. We talked for hours. I asked about the US reported news on Chinese influence and position on the canal, and what he told me, along with the sources to back it up, is NOT what the news has force fed us.
I remember the topics and discussions on here, Snipershide, from then, it helped form my views on the canal, the hide discussions, along with the news. Now I know the information I received then was not correct.

There is a parallel here in this topic. There are a couple of posters here giving a more clear version of the truth and being demeaned for it.

Ignorance is bliss to some.

Make of this post what you want. Discard it, learn from it, demean it, whatever.

There are some people here being attacked that are telling a truth some people are denying because the deniers are not aware of the bigger picture of said truth/elephant.

Best to you all.
vr
 

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Yea the one president that I’ve known to meet with the troops without disarming them and the media finds a admiral to say he’s destroying the country. Trump should strip this guy of rank and position.
Hadnt heard he meets Troops while armed.

Impressed again.

While on PI in 1986 we were no where near Reagan but it was made clear rifles would not be unlocked from bunks while he was visiting.
 

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People were saying stuff you "just now happen to notice" for decades. Your army has been fucked and is staffed with politicians and whole negative selection thingy for a huge while now. So no wonder anyone holding rank of general is an asshat and yet you still masturbate on "operators" who are nothing but dumb peasants on the grand chess board to be moved around and sacrificed on a whim (from a mostly completely piece of shit human beings).

Trump for all his failings did something fantastic he managed to shine a light on this vermin and i think in the long run he will be a positive figure who helped with initial process of "releasing a genie" aka shining light into the cesspool of deep state.

I usually disagree with you.

Can we be besties?
 

pmclaine

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This. 100%.

The chances of him just being stupid are pretty low, he is knowingly taking the wrong position. If anyone comes out publicly like this against Trump they're dead to me.

Mattis now too.

Waiting for Neller and Kelly to join the melee.

Will be sad if Kelly joins in or was in any way aligned with the coup.

Guy sacrificed much and to think he lost as much as he did for something so against what the FF envisioned would suck.
 

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These shitbirds are NOT the POTUS. They werent elected turd collector. Were i the CIC, i’d strip these assholes of everything i could.

I want to know, when are all these leakers and such going to get charged? Why the fuck are they not making mass arrests on these folks? They like using the power of the government against the citizenry, and their political opponents....so why the fuck are they waiting? I wanna see motherfucker frog marched into prison.

Only people being charged seems to be the people that were doing what they thought was right, sending their boss Hillary Clinton information in the course of their work assignments, not realizing that Hilly had an illegal server.

So she sets up an illegal server, they send comms to where they are told to send them, they get busted for mishandling classified.

:unsure:
 
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Somethings are as simple as right or wrong. Why would you need the view of the person in the wrong. Other things are more complicated of course.

Are you taking about @sharac ?

I like his perspective also.

Its good to know what is being discussed outside and how typically wrong they are.
 

pmclaine

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Roma : You must be kidding right? Police are afraid to enter their turf and to police them let alone do something about them. Exactly the wrong case to make an example of. Bad bad attempt try again...

Many zeroes on that help i’m sure it really helped out 7k army to evolve into deadly fighting force ready to take its place in NATO forces -> Russians must be shitting their pants (especially now since we’ll buy whopping 8 6x6 GE/Steyr vehicles)

Somehow i still dont understand how that relates to your military (higher ups) being politicized and i’d dared to say to certain extent even corrupt (big fat CEO jobs after they exit at major contractors). Totally unsanitary and completely ignored by everyone as if completely normal. If yout three letter agencies focused more on investigating that than what Trump courts would be filled by ex brass.

As long as you think that its ok to defend your country by bombing half a world and telling everyone how to live properly you will have to endure “opinions of grass hut people” but youre free to ignore if you like - i wonder why you dont?

"Deadly" and "NATO" are mutually exclusive terms unless you are talking about individual member states going unilateral for their own interests.
 
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pmclaine

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The whole world truth is like a very large elephant being examined by a group of blind men.
Every one of them knows some truth, but only what they experience. They can listen to the others describe the truth of the elephant portion they found.
The tail man might describe a bristly hairy ropey thing near a bad odor. The trunk man might describe a large muscular rope like tube near a bad odor.
The foot man will describe a large tree like object.
All them describe the truth they find. Its their part of the elephant they know, but, it's not the same for them all.
Some people are more difficult to convince than others that their truth is incomplete, and there are more facets of the truth to be found.
It's a big elephant that takes a blind man a while to examine and understand......

I learned much much more about the Estadio United, by traveling outside it, than I did by the given propaganda inside.
Outside, in the presence of learned intelligent individuals, I learned of things not pleasant about us, and on my return, located documentation that told the truths I learned outside. I became aware.
As I traveled more outside, learned more, returned and verified, I also began to find some pretty extreme differences on the written history of events I lived through.
Kinda got angry, because certain parts of the country judged me, me, on the reported recorded history that was slanted by propaganda and agenda. I found people afraid of me and people from my area, because they believed all the bullshit that was pushed as truth by our government on us all in public education.

Today, the slant is the worst I have seen in my life. The lies are huge. The propaganda horrendous. The fake news unreal. The history in education a sick joke.
If you want the whole truth, sometimes you best go outside, look, listen, discern, and learn.
Recently I met a childhood friend from Panama I hadn't seen in 20 years. We talked for hours. I asked about the US reported news on Chinese influence and position on the canal, and what he told me, along with the sources to back it up, is NOT what the news has force fed us.
I remember the topics and discussions on here, Snipershide, from then, it helped form my views on the canal, the hide discussions, along with the news. Now I know the information I received then was not correct.

There is a parallel here in this topic. There are a couple of posters here giving a more clear version of the truth and being demeaned for it.

Ignorance is bliss to some.

Make of this post what you want. Discard it, learn from it, demean it, whatever.

There are some people here being attacked that are telling a truth some people are denying because the deniers are not aware of the bigger picture of said truth/elephant.

Best to you all.
vr

Im touching something long hard and cylindrical with what seems to have two balls at its base.

Im guessing this greater beast intends us bad outcomes and will use this part of its anatomy against us.

Am I right?
 
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Show me one single country where the top military echelon isn't politicized.

I'll wait for as long as it takes.

Point is, the USA is not unique in this and I'm going to bet your country is on the same list.

There is a certain level of rank in any organization where the individual is free to think as an individual and his personal ability, courage and intelligence will stand him well.

Than they hit a wall and it becomes "Not how well you know or do your job" but something else and you have to make a moral decision if you choose to go higher.
 

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Im touching something long hard and cylindrical with what seems to have two balls at its base.

Im guessing this greater beast intends us bad outcomes and will use this part of its anatomy against us.

Am I right?
There are times in history, the beast has indeed performed this act. And will again, as it is the nature of the beast.

It would be very nice if we could accurately predict when the beast decides it's time, and starts....

But, it seems there is a difference in the elephant dirtyd is fondling, it's missing that protuberance you speak of and has a doorway hes trying to get shankster in... near the tail.
 

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There is a certain level of rank in any organization where the individual is free to think as an individual and his personal ability, courage and intelligence will stand him well.

Than they hit a wall and it becomes "Not how well you know or do your job" but something else and you have to make a moral decision if you choose to go higher.
I'm betting that line appears between Lt Cdr/Major and Cdr/Lt Col.