Introducing the AI Obsession Chassis

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I totally understand the cost factor. They are awesome looking chassis. I want a Tikka as a 224 valkyrie.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. Do you currently shoot an AI, or are you looking to get into the system with your Tikka?
 

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A heads up to everyone that’s been patiently waiting...

I’m getting final quotes back now on the production machining. My plan now is to put the numbers together and get a group buy going here on Sniper’s Hide right after SHOT Show.

Nothing is set in stone, but my initial thoughts are to offer a group buy Pre-Order, asking for a deposit in exchange for a discounted final price. I need to place a bulk order with the machine shop, but since I don’t have a good feel for exactly how many kits I should have made, a pre-order would help firm the number and help pay for materials and machining.

Let me know your thoughts! I know some are against pre-orders due to some bad experiences here in the past, but I hope my openness and communication will foster confidence.

Thanks everyone!

Sam

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A heads up to everyone that’s been patiently waiting...

I’m getting final quotes back now on the production machining. My plan now is to put the numbers together and get a group buy going here on Sniper’s Hide right after SHOT Show.

Nothing is set in stone, but my initial thoughts are to offer a group buy Pre-Order, asking for a deposit in exchange for a discounted final price. I need to place a bulk order with the machine shop, but since I don’t have a good feel for exactly how many kits I should have made, a pre-order would help firm the number and help pay for materials and machining.

Let me know your thoughts! I know some are against pre-orders due to some bad experiences here in the past, but I hope my openness and communication will foster confidence.

Thanks everyone!

Sam

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Ready to send you some money soon as you say too.
 

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A heads up to everyone that’s been patiently waiting...

I’m getting final quotes back now on the production machining. My plan now is to put the numbers together and get a group buy going here on Sniper’s Hide right after SHOT Show.

Nothing is set in stone, but my initial thoughts are to offer a group buy Pre-Order, asking for a deposit in exchange for a discounted final price. I need to place a bulk order with the machine shop, but since I don’t have a good feel for exactly how many kits I should have made, a pre-order would help firm the number and help pay for materials and machining.

Let me know your thoughts! I know some are against pre-orders due to some bad experiences here in the past, but I hope my openness and communication will foster confidence.

Thanks everyone!

Sam

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Can you give us a ballpark price?
 

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Great design work! I have priced out prototyping some of my designs as well. It is really expensive! You can get some better pricing on it in asia but the dang ITAR messes that up for firearm components.
 

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Thanks for the support!
Dude that must be be most interesting and innovating thing I've seen in a long time.

I don't have an AI and you make me want to buy one just to get your chassis!

Have you think about approching AI or MDT with that idea and sell them the concept?
 
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Can you give us a ballpark price?
The plan (again, due to batch ordering/pricing at the machine shop) is to offer the chassis as a kit. It will be too difficult in such small numbers to carry inventory of accessories. The kit will be the chassis, internal weight, NV bridge, and NV Picatinny rail. Of course all the hardware and anything needed for the installation will be included.

My goal has always been to offer the chassis and components at “market price.” I understand that this isn’t a full chassis with buttstock like an ACC, so the apples to apples price may seem more expensive. The other way I looked at it was: if you bought an AT, my chassis kit, and an AX buttstock, the price would be about the same (or less) as an AX. But you can run it with the AT buttstock and it’ll function perfectly.

Sorry that was long winded! I really do just need to sit down and figure out the exact pricing. My main priority is just making back the money spent on the prototype run haha. At least take it from a hobby cost to maybe something profitable. Maybe I’ll be blown away by the pre-orders and I can change my approach.

Thanks,

Sam
 

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No problem man. You’ve made another awesome product. And your doing it for all the right reasons. I just hope it’s a successful as it should be. And I hope I’m lucky enough to get my hands on it. Plus from all previous conversations you seem to be a pretty cool dude. So glad to help the cause.
 
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Dude that must be be most interesting and innovating thing I've seen in a long time.

I don't have an AI and you make me want to buy one just to get your chassis!

Have you think about approching AI or MDT with that idea and sell them the concept?
Thanks man, I appreciate it. It’s kinda crazy that I’ve been working on this thing for a year!

Without getting into specifics, MDT was in touch early on, but the reality of the niche AI market prevented any real interest.

AI is awesome, and I (obviously) love their products. But they want to do things their way, and I have to respect that. They have been cool about it though, and one of the AI team shooters has been testing the chassis - and loving it 😎
 

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Thanks man, I appreciate it. It’s kinda crazy that I’ve been working on this thing for a year!

Without getting into specifics, MDT was in touch early on, but the reality of the niche AI market prevented any real interest.

AI is awesome, and I (obviously) love their products. But they want to do things their way, and I have to respect that. They have been cool about it though, and one of the AI team shooters has been testing the chassis - and loving it 😎

Yeah I can completely see all that. But I think your chassis is gonna bring a lot more interest into AI for competition use. And I think it would be awesome if a company like MDT got involved. But hopefully it takes off and is super successful as AO only. And thats awesome to hear that AI is cool with it all and the team shooter has been loving the prototype.
 
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Yeah I can completely see all that. But I think your chassis is gonna bring a lot more interest into AI for competition use. And I think it would be awesome if a company like MDT got involved. But hopefully it takes off and is super successful as AO only. And thats awesome to hear that AI is cool with it all and the team shooter has been loving the prototype.
It's been a game changer for me. I cant wait to run the chassis in a match next month. 20191211_214524.jpg
 

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I'm actually legitimately considering purchasing the AO BEFORE the AI... Does that make me weird?
 
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@J-Ham

I based a lot my decision to spend the money to get an AT folder because of his AIAT thumbrest, a $20 or whatever part. You’re not weird.

And then I ended up not using the thumbrest lol...
 
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A heads up to everyone that’s been patiently waiting...

I’m getting final quotes back now on the production machining. My plan now is to put the numbers together and get a group buy going here on Sniper’s Hide right after SHOT Show.

Nothing is set in stone, but my initial thoughts are to offer a group buy Pre-Order, asking for a deposit in exchange for a discounted final price. I need to place a bulk order with the machine shop, but since I don’t have a good feel for exactly how many kits I should have made, a pre-order would help firm the number and help pay for materials and machining.

Let me know your thoughts! I know some are against pre-orders due to some bad experiences here in the past, but I hope my openness and communication will foster confidence.

Thanks everyone!

Sam
I'd be down for a pre-order/group buy... Just be legit with your fulfillment estimates, that's where I've seen most of these types of offers go off the rails.
 

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I'd be down for a pre-order/group buy... Just be legit with your fulfillment estimates, that's where I've seen most of these types of offers go off the rails.
Understood. Unfortunately a large percentage of the past year has been tied up in getting quotes and machining. I don’t want to promise anything I can’t deliver. Especially when money starts to exchange hands. No money has exchanged hands so far, other than from mine to the machine shop for the prototypes. Which have been out for testing for the past few months, no strings attached, as to hopefully get the most impartial feedback possible.

I wish I had a CNC in my possession, or owned my own machine shop. I don’t, so in many ways I’m at the mercy of how busy good machine shops are.

A big reason for the pre-order is to get a real number of interested parties so I can get the correct order in, and also to help fund a large order. Unless someone swoops in at the last minute, I’ve done the whole project on my own, funding and all.
 
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That's what I'm kinda struggling with... Do I go that exact route or do an AX with the HR1 Hammer rail... Ugh, I hate decisions!

I wish I was as decisive as that @BenelliHunter over in the AI thread!
I won’t dissuade you from an AX and Hammer rail. It’s certainly an amazing setup and would serve you well for any hunting or competition scenario.

All I will say is when I got my AX three years ago, I had some truly crazy ideas in mind to make it what eventually evolved into the Obsession chassis. I’m talking taking a brand new $6500 AX under the knife and machining it WAY past the point of no return. I didn’t end up doing it, but all those late nights proved somewhat worth it to stop that madness and move on to a different kind haha.

Time after time, match after match, I came back to the fact that I just couldn’t get the “hump” of the dang AT or AX out of the way to really dominate shooting off of props. Even when I shot well, trying a buddy’s MPA or even AR showcased how a flat forend and low bore axis made such a big difference.

...or you could be like me and de-bond your AX...can’t get that sweet Sage Green fix anywhere else...😈

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That's what I'm kinda struggling with... Do I go that exact route or do an AX with the HR1 Hammer rail... Ugh, I hate decisions!

I wish I was as decisive as that @BenelliHunter over in the AI thread!
I shoot matches with my AT but I’m happy with it configured as an AT LE. I’m not driven to be a top match shooter. If I ever pick up another AT then I may pick up one of Sam’s chassis for it and shoot that at matches.

Looking strictly at dollars and sense (pun intended) I would pick up a fixed AT and AX stock now and enjoy it. When the AO chassis is ready I would drop it in one and you’re all set.

I think the shorter height of the AO chassis and how the rifle sits lower on a bag with the AO chassis it will be better over all for match use than an AX or AT.

ETA: Sam’s pictures above illustrate what I’m talking about.
 
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Will this work with the older aw line or just new at/ax
Yes. I haven’t de-bonded an AW to 100% confirm, but all the numbers and measurements I’ve gotten up to this point suggest the AW and AT/AX actions are identical in footprint.

Wish I was a little bit bigger of an operation (or an FFL), I’d buy a used AW to test. Still kicking myself for not buying that used LH AW that was on the PX for months a year or so ago!

Edited to add: I have seen reports from the UK where customers sent their AW’s to the UK AI service center and paid for it to be put in and re-bonded to a new AX chassis. So unless there are some minor dimensions that are different, I think that further suggests a swap would be possible.
 
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@Luvman @samb300

Thanks guys, that helps a lot! Sounds like I need to call Mike at Mile High & see what he's got for me in the used AT department.
It’s always good to troll the PX here as well, I’ve been seeing used SFP AT’s for $3200 without a barrel. It might be difficult to get ahold of people this week due to SHOT Show, but I’m guessing there are still people manning the phones at Mile High and EuroOptic.
 
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How difficuly is the debonding process?
It's pretty easy. Very daunting to begin with until you realize, u just heat and pull. Done. Heat the whole action very well after u vice up the action then pull the chassis off. It's not that difficult. Took me a good part of an evening to debond, clean up, and rebond the action.
 
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It's pretty easy. Very daunting to begin with until you realize, u just heat and pull. Done. Heat the whole action very well and vice up the action. It's not that difficult. Took me a good part of an evening to debond, clean up, and rebound the action.
So a butane torch and patience. Got it!
 

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How difficuly is the debonding process?
It’s pretty easy. There are quite a few people on SH that have de-bonded their ATs to put into an MPA chassis. Basically you heat up the epoxy with a small torch or heat gun (the epoxy’s working limit is 250F). Peel apart, clean, and prep surfaces.

The process to bond back together is straight forward as well, with some tips/tricks I’ve learned over doing it a few times on my own. Initially I used Devcon 2-part epoxy, but have switched to the “real deal” aluminum putty ($$$), which is what AI uses. That will all be included in the kit, along with video instructions for everything. I will show you how and where to properly apply the epoxy, how to align everything, and give you the tools/brushes/epoxy to do it.

Like @BLKWLFK9 said, an afternoon or evening will be all that’s needed.
 

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Understood. Unfortunately a large percentage of the past year has been tied up in getting quotes and machining. I don’t want to promise anything I can’t deliver. Especially when money starts to exchange hands. No money has exchanged hands so far, other than from mine to the machine shop for the prototypes. Which have been out for testing for the past few months, no strings attached, as to hopefully get the most impartial feedback possible.

I wish I had a CNC in my possession, or owned my own machine shop. I don’t, so in many ways I’m at the mercy of how busy good machine shops are.

A big reason for the pre-order is to get a real number of interested parties so I can get the correct order in, and also to help fund a large order. Unless someone swoops in at the last minute, I’ve done the whole project on my own, funding and all.
I hear that. It looks like it's been a real labor of love. Again, I would have no problem fronting a deposit to help you fund an accurate order. I'm not questioning your intent to be forthcoming, rather I am calling on past experience with machine shops being rather sloppy with their lead time estimates.
 

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I hear that. It looks like it's been a real labor of love. Again, I would have no problem fronting a deposit to help you fund an accurate order. I'm not questioning your intent to be forthcoming, rather I am calling on past experience with machine shops being rather sloppy with their lead time estimates.
Yup. Good shops are busy, and for whatever reason lead times are rarely accurate.
 

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Is there any weight savings and if so, how much? I've followed this thread on and off so apologies if this has been answered already.
 

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Is there any weight savings and if so, how much? I've followed this thread on and off so apologies if this has been answered already.
Rough numbers, it will be about the same weight, or maybe a little less than an AT or AX. I didn't really design this with weight savings in mind.

The Obsession chassis front section (not including the pistol grip skins or buttstock) is ~35oz without the NV bridge. The stripped AT front section is almost the same weight. The AX front end is ~41oz.
 
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Thanks for the info. On my aw, my skins are one piece. Would I cut them to fit at where the magwell starts?

Rough numbers, it will be about the same weight, or maybe a little less than an AT or AX. I didn't really design this with weight savings in mind.

The Obsession chassis front section (not including the pistol grip skins or buttstock) is ~35oz without the NV bridge. The stripped AT front section is almost the same weight. The AX front end is ~41oz.
 

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I would think with Sam’s chassis you could just pick up some AX pistol grip skins and not molest your original AW skins.
 
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