Guy pulls a gun on you.... what do you do?

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Several similar scenario's have been playing out at the Big Box Fast Food chains. The "Cut in Line" distraction. This is why we see so many shootings at fast food restaurants. I have sat my children and grand children down and gone over this exact scenario. The first thought should be "Eliminate the Threat". We have made a big Mental file folder of these situations and what to do. When the threat appears, immediately leave the scene. You have eliminated the threat. Don't stand around with your IPhone and be the videographer .

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Bubba yells he’s going to get his gun. .
Bubba needs to be dealt with right then, as he is now a threat via his own mouth, to everyone in the store. Put bubba on the floor tie wrap/duct tape/or cuff his ass first, then round up line cutter if his ass is still there an do the same. Hold both an let the manager make the decision to call the law or not. Some people do not take implied threats very well when their loved ones or innocents are involved.
 

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So the manager doesn’t notify the police?
 

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I just pull some ninja Kung fu shit on him and have him disarmed and bent up like a pretzel before he knows what hit em!
 
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bent up like a pretzel
I'd rethink that if I was you....pretty risky, that pretzel hold don't always pan out:


A redneck rassler has beaten every opponent he's been up against and is now going international. Before the match against the Russian champion, his coach sits him down.

"Now, look, you're faster and more agile than this guy. He's big and strong, but just keep moving and let him tire himself out and you can beat him."

"Got it, coach," says the wrestler.

"One more thing," says the coach. "He's got this hold called the Pretzel Hold that no one has ever escaped from. Whatever happens, don't let him get you in the Pretzel Hold cause then it's all over."

"Got it, coach," says the wrestler. "Stay out of the Pretzel Hold."

The match starts and in five seconds the redneck is in the Pretzel Hold. A groan goes up from the American spectators and the coach buries his face in his hands, unable to watch.

Suddenly, there's a tremendous yell and a thump from the mat and the crowd bursts into cheers and applause. The coach looks up and sees the Russian out cold on the mat and the redneck standing over him. Before he can get up into the ring the crowd rushes in and hoists the redneck into the air, celebrating his victory.

Half an hour later, the coach and the redneck are alone and able to talk.

"What happened out there?" asks the coach. "I mean, one second you're in the hold, and next thing I know, you've won. How?"

"Well," says the redneck, "I don't know how he got me in the hold so fast, but once I was in it, I was pretty much unable to move anything but my head. So, I looked up, and there was a pair of testicles dangling right in front of my face. So, I did the only thing I could do. I craned my neck forward and bit fown."

"Ah, so that's how you beat him?" said the coach.

"Not exactly," said the wrestler. "You'd be surprised how much strength you have when you've just bitten down on your own testicles."
 

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GTFO. Anyone says they are going for their gun, I get momma and the kids safe and get out. If other people and time (like this where the douche went to his truck) I would tell everyone to GTFO and call 911.

Never wait for anyone else to do anything or follow directions. Fear paralyzes most people completely.

Thats the wise thing. There are some freakin great responses in here though.
 

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I'm such a bonehead... I just realized the easy way out of this mess is to offer the guy my gun... This saves him the hassle of a trip back to his car with the possibility of everyone being gone by the time he gets back. Furthermore, I've now built rapport with the guy so I highly doubt he's gonna shoot me with my own pistol... We'll probably grab a beer afterwards.
 

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I was sitting with a bunch of guys that I just finished a job with, I hear a commotion at the front door. It was a fella with a shot gun, the guy across from me ran out the back door. I knew that the guy across from me was having “discreet “ relations with the waitress. So I put 2 and 2 together, so I just laughed a bit, shook my head, sat there and finished my stuffed baked potato.
 
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Shouldn't
You have to prove your life is in danger, and to not be arrested for murder it has to be overwhelmingly obvious with no questions asked by the cops. If you do as you say I think you’re getting arrested for murder right there. Now, you may be able to prove your innocence in court, but you’re going to be in court with the remainder of your life in the balance.

First of all, mine is on me already when the dude says he’s going to get one. Secondly, If a dude said he was getting his gun it’s 911 and out the back door for me. My primary tactic is the rapid retreat. ;)
Shouldn't this be in the humor section? Few are taking the question seriously. Is Fig one of the few with a thoughtful answer? No matter how righteous, one has to ask is the action worth spending a lot of time and money defending themself against criminal charges or a lawsuit. I agree with Fig.
 

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Bubba needs to be dealt with right then, as he is now a threat via his own mouth, to everyone in the store. Put bubba on the floor tie wrap/duct tape/or cuff his ass first, then round up line cutter if his ass is still there an do the same. Hold both an let the manager make the decision to call the law or not. Some people do not take implied threats very well when their loved ones or innocents are involved.
Should we use five different types of tape? Just asking for a bunch of friends.
 
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Is Fig one of the few with a thoughtful answer?
Said no one (before this) on Snipers Hide ever.

I can’t tell you how many levels of force/use of force briefings I’ve been to, expositions on the use of lethal/deadly force vis a vis Missouri statute. These are games to avoid as much as possible in every situation possible.

If you carry a pistol, to me, the right reason is so that you have a final option before you or your friends/loved ones would otherwise die. Any other reason (other than for work) is a bad reason.
 
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Said no one (before this) on Snipers Hide ever.

I can’t tell you how many levels of force/use of force briefings I’ve been to, expositions on the use of lethal/deadly force vis a vis Missouri statute. These are games to avoid as much as possible in every situation possible.

If you carry a pistol, to me, the right reason is so that you have a final option before you or your friends/loved ones would otherwise die. Any other reason (other than for work) is a bad reason.
Darn,
I guess that carrying one to dispatch animals on my trapline, hunt small game and shoot copperheads is a bad reason?
:)
 

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So are you the asshole line jumper? Or not?

Either way the answer is pretty simple, leave. Immediately.
 

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I get jumped in front of in line occasionally, and I’d by lying if I said that it didn’t make me mad sometimes if I’m pressed for time. It’s really rude. What’s more it’s bullshit because 99% of of the time it isn’t a lawyer or a surgeon doing it, but some minimum-wage poor whose time is worth less than that of every single person in line.

One time I totally lost my cool and did an exaggerated eye roll that the line jumper may have seen. I still lament loosing control like that and haven’t been in the red-zone since!
 
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Say,
"You're going to 'GO' get your gun? Ha ha. Yeah, I remember when I 1st started carrying, too. Fuckin' Sis."

By the time he returns, you should already be checked out (unless you're a fucking Wally-World and there's only 2 cashiers). With any luck, you'll meet face to face at the auto-door, where you let him take the 1st step to open the door. In which you reply, "Thanks for opening the door. Bitch." The chances of him shootin' ya are pretty slim. Mainly because, since he don't actively carry his gun, he probably is too scared to have one in the tube, too.
 

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If anyone of the customers in line were packing, an angry guy coming back into the store with a gun, remember:
"I was afraid for my life and the lives of my fellow customers"
 
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This was all a giant ruse planned by the poors to distract you so while this was going on, they could run out the door with their new Dewalt tools and sell them at the pawn shop.

But, since you asked what Id do in this situation:

When the guy would be like, 'oh Imma go gets my gun out da kah' I'd be like, 'whatever poor' and then quickly change clothes that I pull out of my tactical fanny pack. At that point I'd go stand in another line, and having been fooled by my new outfit consisting of Armani jeans with a giant dragon stencil going up my leg, a pair of air weezys, a Wutang Clan shirt and this https://www.weaponoutfitters.com/hardcore-tactics-nekomimi-helmet.html on my head, he'd be confused, think I ran away and start looking for me.

Being the helpful bypstander than I am, I'd be like....he went down ther lumber isle you dumb fucking poor! And of coarse he'd start heading that way, because he probably knows where to find it in reference to the clearance/open box rack that he buys all the cheap as shit fixtures and mismatched lighting that covers his shanty from.

While he's making his way to the lumber section, I'm operating in the area where the 5 foot tall sheets of heavy duty plastic wrap are concocting a plan with my partner in crime, we'll call her Daphne, who always carries a M249 in her Louis Vuitton bag, and with the help our of sidekick seeing eye Pug, we construct a trap to catch poors with. I know what you're thinking, but no, we didn't construct scratch off lottery tickets, kirby vacuums, Scentsy or Nascar.

So long story short, we surprise and trap the poor while he's walking around the clearance/broken shit section with his YEET cannon, wrap him up in a plastic roll like some sort of white trash welfare burrito and I stand there, with 1 leg up on him like I'm Captain Morgan. When the manager catches up to us, we remove the mask from the poor, and realize its actually Bernie Sanders who goes on about something about how he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for these meddeling kids or some shit. I don't know.

But anyways, thats the totally true story of how I got a Lowe's vest that says Range Officer on it. I also now get a 10% discount on anything and can drive the 'rent me' Lowe's trucks for free, which I am constantly leaving in random places like strip clubs all of the time.
You’re so full of shit. That scenario is totally not happening without mirror shades a porn tash

Cutoff jean shorts and a hi-viz vest would totally complete the outfit, but that’s for a different fantasy
 

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If someone tells me they are leaving the building to return with a firearm to kill me three things will happen:

1. I will not be in the same place when he returns and while he is digging around under the the old jerkrags in his glovebox for his gun I will be finding cover and concealment inside. This will allow me to have the upper hand when he returns, as well as meet any legal requirements to attempt to disengage.

2. Having called law enforcement to report the situation, I will wait behind cover, if the threat returns armed and seeks to find me or threaten others I will decisively engage.

3. I will make my purchase (unlikely to have time once the uniforms arrive) and probably eat the beef jerky I was undoubtedly eyeballing in the checkout line.
 

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@Fig I noticed you made allowances for surgeons and lawyers to cut.
I will say lawyers should go to the back of the line all the time, except the line for hell. They should be at the front of that. I know I know, there are some good ones, I just read about 2 in the Denver metro obituaries.......
 
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I’m not a fan myself generally, though I do make exceptions for the ones who work for me!

I was just thinking in terms of how much $$$ per minute people make. I can’t recall (outside of Europe where they seem to have zero line etiquette) a well dressed, professional looking person jumping a line, but certainly I’ve had people at the airport ask to jump and when they might miss their flight.

Never before has the thought occurred to me that rude behavior is in any way related to firearms...
 

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OP:

Pull the fire alarm next to the door.

This will achieve several things:

1) Evacuate the store, including the folks at the register
2) Cause emergency services to be called
3) Cause the store to indicate their was a man that went to get a firearm to use in a dispute
4) Most likely cause the PD to ask for the surveillance tapes
5) Cause the dude not to be able to check out at the register - screw em...
6) Afford you enough of a distraction to punch the looser in the throat with your cell phone while he’s distracted... bahahahaha

Sure, you’ll probably get fined, but hey... he didnt get to shoot you or anyone else.
 

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The big problem with intervening out of uniform that almost everyone over looks is this:

Genuine bad guy pulls a gun and starts shooting. Good guy #1 genuinely wants to help so he pulls his gun from a position of cover and starts shooting at the bad guy. Good guy #2 hears shooting and as he comes around the corner, all he sees is good guy #1 shooting, so thinking he is the bad guy, he takes a position of cover and starts shooting at good guy #1. Then, good guy #3 comes upon either good guy #2, or 1, and all he sees are what he thinks is a bad guy, so he too takes a position of cover and starts shooting at what were initially good guys.

This is a genuine issue that there really isn't a good solution for. While I believe that an armed society is a polite society, minding your own business is usually the safest thing. I'm not saying that no one should ever get involved, I am saying that anyone choosing to involve themselves in shootings needs to really be aware of their surroundings and keep in mind that someone else might mistake them for the bad guy and start shooting at them.
 

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Sounds like more of a Popeye's situation!!!
FIFY

So long story short, we surprise and trap the poor while he's walking around the clearance/broken shit section with his YEET cannon, wrap him up in a plastic roll like some sort of white trash welfare burrito and I stand there, with 1 leg up on him like I'm Captain Morgan.
I don't laugh at the Innernets that hard very often in my old age. Well, done Captain Burritomastah!
 
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Alot depends on what state you're in and their definition of self defense and also 3rd party self defense