6.5X47 Barrel issues

Dec 24, 2017
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My match rifle is having some serious issues. When it was a fresh new build, it shot .3's all day. After 1300 rounds now it won't shoot better then 1 moa, most of the time it's 1.2 moa. It's an X Caliber blank fit and chambered by a good smith. Had Benchmark run some bore paste down to get it totally clean. Checked my load and good sd/es still in the node. I haven't changed seating depth after chasing lands 5 thow. I'm at my wits end with this barrel. I have changed everything on thecrifle to insure it wasn't the scope or chassis. Anyone else have a barrel fail 1k rounds early?
 
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Yeah. Thought has only went like 10 thow. H4350 powder and has been run hard and hot for summer matches.
Just my opion but sounds like you answered your own question. Outside of throat erosion the biggest killer of barrels is heat. Doing matches in 80 90 degree heat snapping 8 - 10 rounds off consecutively is over heating the barrel. If you are doing matches most likely you are running a standard or medium palma weight barrel . Those conditions it will start to go south.
 
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Buck it up the barrel is gone. I just had the same thing happen approx. 1400 rounds. Didn't bother to rechamber why spend another 350+ for a few rounds. Get another barrel and have the same smith chamber it and go shoot it again and enjoy.
Do you honestally think there is no point trying to adjust seating depth. I don't want to just through more money down range to no end, but I don't want to scrap a barrel prematurely either.
 
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The node shouldn't just be good es and sd's it should also group well or it isn't "The node"
More than likely the bore paste getting out the carbon ring has changed things from where they we're before.
I'm on Broughton barrel number 3 with well over 3500 rounds on each before rebarreling… and that match shooting 130's at 3k.
I'd personally do another load work up around the same load area your at to double check.
 
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You may want to try chasing the lands. If it doesn't work new barrel.
You sent you barrel to benchmark did they scope it for you?
You really need a bore scope the barrel also. To find out whats wrong.
Yes we did scope it (I live very close) there is significant erosion but they didn't think nessacerly that it is "shot out" they recomend I shoot it after the cleaning and go from there. My plan is to do a new load work up. If it still doesn't shoot, then I will yank it.
 

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I wouldn't waste to much time with it. About 10-15 rounds will tell you the status of it.
Yes it's frustrating when it happens.
Remember this hot contained explosions in a steel tube in the summer and pushing a piece of copper and lead at approx. 2800 fps somethings gotta give.
 
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I wouldn't waste to much time with it. About 10-15 rounds will tell you the status of it.
Yes it's frustrating when it happens.
Remember this hot contained explosions in a steel tube in the summer and pushing a piece of copper and lead at approx. 2800 fps somethings gotta give.
I agree, I will run a quick ladder test and seating depth to follow. I'm pretty sure it's toast but will run through the last few possibilities. I will let Hal know what happens.
 
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I shoot a 260 with 140 smk and have great results jamming .005". A lot of guys here like the jump factor. But you have nothing to loose hear only to gain. Load up 5 rounds with a jam and test them against the ones with a jump.
 

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Dude, the barrel is gone for precision shooting. Also, why did you pay somebody to clean the barrel and not scope it? It didn't all of a sudden go from .3 to 1.2 overnight. So, much for crystal nodes. You don't want to replace the barrel prematurely but that is exactly what precision shooters do. Your barrel didn't quit early at 1300. It is still good except for precision shooting.
 
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Dude, the barrel is gone for precision shooting. Also, why did you pay somebody to clean the barrel and not scope it? It didn't all of a sudden go from .3 to 1.2 overnight. So, much for crystal nodes. You don't want to replace the barrel prematurely but that is exactly what precision shooters do. Your barrel didn't quit early at 1300. It is still good except for precision shooting.
We did scope it before we cleaned it. It had a lot of carbon build up, so much that it needed to be cleaned for ferther inspection. Once cleaned it appeared the barrel should have more life if it but I needed to shoot it to see how well it was shooting. Long story short, in going to spend a little bit more trying to dial it back in, if to no resolve, I will scrap it.
 

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I am just about at 1,700 rounds on my 6.5x47 Bartlein barrel. Still shoots in the .3's and .4's consistently. I have not changed my load since initial load work up. Velocity is still the same and I have not chased the lands. I am using Varget and 130 grain bullets at 2,900 FPS from a 26 inch barrel. It has performed spectacularly at hot matches this summer. Placed top 10 with it at both 2 day PRS matches I went to.

Barrels should not be failing as soon as yours, but it can happen. I'd stop wasting ammo and put a new barrel on it.
 
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I am just about at 1,700 rounds on my 6.5x47 Bartlein barrel. Still shoots in the .3's and .4's consistently. I have not changed my load since initial load work up. Velocity is still the same and I have not chased the lands. I am using Varget and 130 grain bullets at 2,900 FPS from a 26 inch barrel. It has performed spectacularly at hot matches this summer. Placed top 10 with it at both 2 day PRS matches I went to.

Barrels should not be failing as soon as yours, but it can happen. I'd stop wasting ammo and put a new barrel on it.
Just curious, what powder charge are you running to get 2900 with varget?
 
Jul 15, 2017
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My first 47 barrel went at 2175...was a laser all the way to the end

second never really impressed me but shot ok until about 1000 rounds and at 1100 it was throwing fliers so bad I pulled it...on my 3rd now and at 525 rounds.

I’ve had 4 bad barrels so yes it does happen...

I had a 30” 6.5 criterion that never shot a group under 1.5” had 4” cut off and still didn’t shoot wasted 1100 rounds on that barrel

I had a Krieger 6.5 that went at 850 I sent it back and 2-3wks later had a new barrel that one was run hard

I had a bartlein go at 975 rounds but that was a 6mm I was running hard

And the latest a 6.5x47 hawk hill that I mention above...second 47 barrel

My smith had a hart 6XC stop shooting at 600 just a month ago set it back and still wouldn’t shoot.

So barrels do go bad and/or even start off bad...this is why I buy and have 2 at a time chambered...I’m rarely without a new barrel ready to spin on.
 
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Holy shit kids... I've never had a .260, 6.5cm, etc.. barrel not continue to shoot great past 2500 rounds. I've lost velocity and called it quits early, but never got one to outright die, especially under 1000-1500.
 
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Holy shit kids... I've never had a .260, 6.5cm, etc.. barrel not continue to shoot great past 2500 rounds. I've lost velocity and called it quits early, but never got one to outright die, especially under 1000-1500.
that is what a lot of folks say. But I have chased this barrel to china and back to no resolve. I'm sure all of these people are telling the truth about having them fail early. If I was ok with 1moa performance, in sure I could keep shooting it. I'm planning on doing one last load work up, and it that doesn't work, I'm pulling it.
 
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Holy shit kids... I've never had a .260, 6.5cm, etc.. barrel not continue to shoot great past 2500 rounds. I've lost velocity and called it quits early, but never got one to outright die, especially under 1000-1500.
How many barrels have you shot out?

I went from a 300wm to a 260...I shot the 260 for 7yrs then went to a 6CM shot out 5 barrels and then moved to the 6.5x47...in total I’m on my 26th barrel counting the bad ones.

I went with the 6.5x47 because of barrel life and the claims of heard...which at this point I find hard to believe but as I said I’m only on #3.

Of all the 260 barrels I shot 1 went 2700 rounds but that barrel would not shoot anything over 2725fps...all of the others went between 1800 and 2200 rounds.

Now personally I keep a very accurate round count on my barrels...I write down EVERY round that is fired and as I’ve said I’ve yet to see any barrel go 3k rounds.

I think a barrels life depends on how it’s used meaning how hot and hard it’s ran...I shoot a lot and shoot a lot of matches and I also look for loads at or near the top of the load range.

The other thing to keep in mind is maybe our thoughts on whats accurate might be different...for me when a barrel will not put 5 rounds inside of a 3/4” dot at 100yds or throws unexplainable fliers it’s done no matter what the round count is.
 
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How many barrels have you shot out?

I went from a 300wm to a 260...I shot the 260 for 7yrs then went to a 6CM shot out 5 barrels and then moved to the 6.5x47...in total I’m on my 26th barrel counting the bad ones.

I went with the 6.5x47 because of barrel life and the claims of heard...which at this point I find hard to believe but as I said I’m only on #3.

Of all the 260 barrels I shot 1 went 2700 rounds but that barrel would not shoot anything over 2725fps...all of the others went between 1800 and 2200 rounds.

Now personally I keep a very accurate round count on my barrels...I write down EVERY round that is fired and as I’ve said I’ve yet to see any barrel go 3k rounds.

I think a barrels life depends on how it’s used meaning how hot and hard it’s ran...I shoot a lot and shoot a lot of matches and I also look for loads at or near the top of the load range.

The other thing to keep in mind is maybe our thoughts on whats accurate might be different...for me when a barrel will not put 5 rounds inside of a 3/4” dot at 100yds or throws unexplainable fliers it’s done no matter what the round count is.
I am the same way with accuracy. I need my rifles to be spot on for match use. I also keep an accurate log of round count. I haven't shot out a lot of barrels, but I'm about to call this one. I have one last ladder test that will be followed by a seating depth test. If it still doesn't shoot, it will be done at 1300 rounds. It's been ran hard and hot. I appreciate the insight from all your expirence, it's good to know I'm not nuts.
 
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I’m not the most experienced guy and damned sure not the best shooter but I do keep very accurate round counts.

I just had this same argument with a guy I shoot with at matches saying he’s getting 3000 rounds through a 6SLR shooting DTACs at 3250 with RL26.
 
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2x .260 barrels, 6.5cm barrel, and a 6 competition match barrel. Seen 3-4 6mm comp match barrels go from people I know 1200-1800 rounds. The 6.5's were all 2000-2500+ before I changed them.

Currently have a 6.5 creedmoor (600ish on it) barrel and a 6.5 SAUM (900) still running strong. I load mild, too. 2700fps with the 6.5's and 140-147's is good enough. 3100 with the SAUM but it's a 28" barrel.
 
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at the rate your going with barrels you will run into a bad one someday...1800 in a 6 comp match is a lot of rounds that was one of those very rare barrels...all of your other round counts are about right for the loads your running...im running 123g lapuas at 3025 in my current 47 barrel and ill be happy if i get 2000...the way its shooting the 123s im happy regardless.
 
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The 1800 comp match was probably done at 1500. I talked to the guy at 1800 and it wasn't performing and he ran it all the way to 2200 or so I think before finally giving up on it. He was still drinking the "3500+ rounds" koolaid a few people were pushing.

The only 'bad' barrel I've had so far was an 8 twist .224 Bartlein that wouldn't shoot at 22-250 velocities, but hammered at .223 speeds. Made it an AR-15 barrel and got a new one for the 22-250 and it all worked out.
 
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