I live in wa near the Puget sound, I will repost if I find the same results.I’m surprised to see that kind of velocity with RL-17. I was never able to get good results with 17. I switched to RL-16 and have never looked back. I live on the coast range and have huge temperature and humidity sweeps on any given day and I think that was the problem with the 17.
Check this thread out.Outstanding velocity. I don’t know what it is but I can’t get the ELDM to shoot in any of my Creedmoors. I don’t know if I’m not jumping them enough or too much. I’ve had much better luck with the HPBT’s and the Sierras. I’ve never tried Re17. Re16 works well though.
Check this thread
I bought 800 rounds of Hornady Black 140gr BTHP to plucker with. They had it on clearance at Academy sporting goods. IT SHOOTS REALLY GOOD OUT OF MY RIFLE !Re: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**
With everyone's input thus far, is the factory ammo worth focusing on or are the hand load results far better?
My build will be complete soon and I was looking to shoot the factory ammo. I'd like consistent results. I have 400 rounds in the cabinet already. if I need to buy dies, I can move that way too.
I'd appreciate the opinions.
Did you go from 39.2 to 41.5? If so you learned nothing.
I did not. This was "fine tuning" work from previous range sessions that found nodes in the vicinity of 39.x and 41.x loads. ... literally hundreds of rounds down range. And this was followed up with yet more rounds down range confirming what was found here.Did you go from 39.2 to 41.5? If so you learned nothing.
How far out of the lands are you? I’ve heard that the Hybrids like a little jump. Mine seems to like about .050 run at the rifling. I found a node for mine @ 41.7-41.9 with H4350 in Lapua brass. Avg 2769. I’ve started with the Bergers in a new stick and trying Reloder 16 with this one. Also Starline LP brass since the big firing pin doesn’t like small primers.I did not. This was "fine tuning" work from previous range sessions that found nodes in the vicinity of 39.x and 41.x loads. ... literally hundreds of rounds down range. And this was followed up with yet more rounds down range confirming what was found here.
Briefly, H4350 has nodes at 41.4-5 gr and 39.0 -2 gr. That data will be followed up with yet more testing .
I have not yet found a way to put Hundreds of rounds down range onto a single picture to post on the Internet.
How far out of the lands are you? I’ve heard that the Hybrids like a little jump. Mine seems to like about .050 run at the rifling. I found a node for mine @ 41.7-41.9 with H4350 in Lapua brass. Avg 2769. I’ve started with the Bergers in a new stick and trying Reloder 16 with this one. Also Starline LP brass since the big firing pin doesn’t like small primers.
I don't remember. I quit using H4350 awhile ago because I could never find it. I said 41.5 based on the fact it's a known load, and his groups showed the rifle liked it.What speeds have you been getting with that? My gasser is getting just under 2690 w/22”bbl.
Thanks. I didn't see your post when I posted the link.There is a thread in here somewhere that has a bunch of targets like that as PDF moa or mil.
Found that exact one by a google search "load development target"
FWIW - I shot factory while I was waiting for my new AI AT 24" 6.5 barrel to speed up. At 175rds I chrono'd using the labradar at 74 degrees, 130' elevation and 48% relative humidity:Went to the range today to shoot some factory Berger 130’s in 6.5 CM. Chrono’d with Labradar at 3043 SD 9.6, ES at 40, 20 rounds fired, no pressure signs, but yikes, seems a bit speedy. My handloads with 41.8 gr of RL16 get 2950. 26” Spencer bbl MPA rifle with Curtis Axiom action.
Yes, first and foremost you want a consistent load that will work in all weather conditions. Run a hot load on a wet day and it will bite you in more ways than one.but is 2784 FPS enough? I enjoy shooting for groups, but would like to eventually go to prs Competitions.
Could the barrel be bad, or shot out?I cleaned the barrel doing the whole copper removal and then another solvent cleaning until the barrel seemed perfectly clean. I had the thought that it could be fouling, but would it really not settle over the now 63 shots through the barrel since I’ve received it and cleaned it? I’ve usually had my barrel go back to “normal” after 5 on my other rifles. The previous owner said he put 400 down it, all factory ammo, but I’m not sure if that info is relevant.
So, it appears that my 40.6 was a super hot jug of RL16. That explains the pressure at 41.8 before. Once that one was gone, the same charge in a new container was 80 fps slower. Re did my load development today and I am now running 41.8, giving me 2800 fps and single digit SD.Just curious, but what pressure signs were you seeing? Flattening of the primer, or are we talking sticky bolt/extractor swipes? The only reason I'm asking is 41.8 grains of RL16 in Hornady brass is 0.1 grain lower than my match load with those same components, which put me in the low to mid 2800s. I would have to revisit my notes to verify, but I seem to recall going into the 43 grain range before I saw significant pressure signs. I know all barrels and chambers are different, what works in one rifle won't work in another, etc., but I was curious to know what you're seeing.
On a side note, I absolutely love the 140 BTHP. It doesn't have the BC of its ELDM cousin, but dammit, those BTHPs just shoot for me! And you can find them for about $22 a box. For their cost and performance, they're hard to beat!
I'll check when I get home today, but that lot number looks like my current one with 41.8 grains. The hot one started with 7.what lot is your HOT jug of RL16? Mine seems to be FAST compared to other peoples loads
1lb jug lot # 85010y051518
Latest loads on 8lb jug of lot # 85010 x070418 seem about 100-125 fps lower at same powder charge