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  • #26
    If a guy the was say 42 years old, 6'3", 235 #s, in reasonable shape wanted to start this, how would you suggest he find a place to train? Questions he should ask? What should he be weary of?

    I would be interested in it from a self defense real world interest as opposed to a sport/social/contest type experience.

    Feel free to PM me with any suggestions. I am in the Columbia SC area.

    Ryan
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    • #27
      Originally posted by Punisher29073 View Post
      If a guy the was say 42 years old, 6'3", 235 #s, in reasonable shape wanted to start this, how would you suggest he find a place to train? Questions he should ask? What should he be weary of?

      I would be interested in it from a self defense real world interest as opposed to a sport/social/contest type experience.

      Feel free to PM me with any suggestions. I am in the Columbia SC area.

      Ryan
      Shot you a PM with a possible starting point in your area
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      • #28
        Originally posted by bogeybrown View Post

        Even better, is when the instructor sees what happens and decides to roll with them.
        Yeah, that's fun, too :-)

        It was that kind of "integrity" within the sport that made me love it above the other styles I'd done.
        That's a big attractant for me, too. I've only had one guy I've refused to roll with - young kid, super aggressive blue belt (I'm also a blue). He got super over zealous about trying to armbar me, and ended up hyper extending my elbow. I was out for a few weeks, but didn't need surgery. Part of my refusal to train with him is that he doesn't respect the limit or his training partners... and the other is that I know myself and recognize that I may well violate that trust myself rolling with him (ie... with intent to injure him as some sort of half assed revenge bullshit), and I don't want to be "that guy". Maybe if he'd actually acknowledged that he went too far, or was apologetic about it, I might feel differently, but... whatever. Plenty of other, respectful dudes to train with at the gym...

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        • #29
          Originally posted by davere View Post

          Yeah, that's fun, too :-)



          That's a big attractant for me, too. I've only had one guy I've refused to roll with - young kid, super aggressive blue belt (I'm also a blue). He got super over zealous about trying to armbar me, and ended up hyper extending my elbow. I was out for a few weeks, but didn't need surgery. Part of my refusal to train with him is that he doesn't respect the limit or his training partners... and the other is that I know myself and recognize that I may well violate that trust myself rolling with him (ie... with intent to injure him as some sort of half assed revenge bullshit), and I don't want to be "that guy". Maybe if he'd actually acknowledged that he went too far, or was apologetic about it, I might feel differently, but... whatever. Plenty of other, respectful dudes to train with at the gym...
          Yep, sounds like the same mindset of the guy I referenced.

          One of the enormous things I took away from training with Ryron Gracie was the importance of shedding your ego and being willing to tap to a good technique in training. He was totally down to earth about tapping not meaning anything when you're learning. That's why I always had such great sessions with senior guys was that I was under no pressure. This kid in particular was phenomenal and I was never in danger of catching him the way I could with some of the other guys who were senior to me. Yet he would go full the fuck out and would hyper extend me before I could submit. I didn't even do that shit on the street, once the bad guy knew he was fucked I gave him the opportunity to comply rather than hurting him unnecessarily.

          I had had a multi-time world champion Brazilian guy from Brazilian Top Team that accidentally dislocated my shoulder. He couldn't have been nicer about it, stopped immediately, nearly had tears in his eyes and was freaking out that he'd hurt a junior training partner. I had mad respect for guys like that.

          Where I typically saw really rough sessions was when you had guys who were ready for advancement but the senior guys just couldn't bring themselves to tap to a junior guy so they'd ride out horrible positions forever rather than tap. I gave up several submissions on guys who had been my teachers because I knew they'd never tap to me and I wasn't going to hurt a guy I respected or fully put him out in a choke simply to "win". They knew I had them, just like I knew when someone had caught me.

          There's no pretenders in BJJ, it all comes out on the mat.

          Damn y'all have me missing dislocated fingers and toes and perpetual Gi rash on my face.
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          • #30
            the instructor i had in college would tell us that there is no reason to rush a submission, arm bar or choke or any of them. if you have it and your technique is correct then they are screwed and ease into the pressure. same thing for the guy being put into the submission. try to get out but also know that when you are caught just to tap.

            My instructor would let us practice moves on him just to show everyone that nobody is above tapping out. everybody taps and not to do so is just going to get you hurt and/or permanently removed from the sport due to injuries.

            I have bad ankles and knees so when i would spar, i would tell the guy i was sparring with to be easy on the leg submissions and if he had them that i would tap without pressure. but, if you want to be that guy that wants to try and tear my ankle off my leg then you are getting a heal to the face real quick. I was always upfront about that as I want to learn technique and also teach it to the guys below or above me. I only had 1 guy try that and he learned real quick that i meant what i say. I have had my nose broken twice in class due to accidents from a throw that landed wrong and an elbow that swung around when i was moving that hit the button on the nose. both times were accidents and both times my sparring partner freaked out that it happened and stopped right away to make sure i was good. accidents happen and those are fine since they are unintentional but i will not hesitate to stop sparring with someone that is trying to hurt me intentionally for an ego gain.

            you dont go to training to win or stroke your ego. you go to train. train with people that want to train and help each other learn. You will run across idiots every now and again but lets be honest, they out number us now-a-days in every aspect of life.
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            • #31
              BearNaked, excellent points. Much better stated than I did. That's what pissed me off so much about the kid I referred to earlier. Everyone in the school knew that I was postponing surgeries on both of my shoulders and that I would tap INSTANTLY to a Kimora, arm bar, etc. there was no point in fighting it. That little shit would go full pressure immediately. The owner of the school had horrible knees that eventually required surgery. Only a full fucking douche would shoot a leg submission on a guy with bad knees. My better friends enjoyed training with me when my shoulders were "off limits" because they had to find new submissions. They'd even say to me "you know I had an arm bar there" to help me be better aware of giving something up. I didn't need them to prove it.
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              • #32
                Originally posted by bogeybrown View Post
                BearNaked, excellent points. Much better stated than I did. That's what pissed me off so much about the kid I referred to earlier. Everyone in the school knew that I was postponing surgeries on both of my shoulders and that I would tap INSTANTLY to a Kimora, arm bar, etc. there was no point in fighting it. That little shit would go full pressure immediately. The owner of the school had horrible knees that eventually required surgery. Only a full fucking douche would shoot a leg submission on a guy with bad knees. My better friends enjoyed training with me when my shoulders were "off limits" because they had to find new submissions. They'd even say to me "you know I had an arm bar there" to help me be better aware of giving something up. I didn't need them to prove it.
                yea that is chicken shit of that guy. he is lucky you let him walk out on his own power. that is the difference between us and them. they come into our world trying to hurt us but yet we have the restraint to only damage their ego instead of their body.

                I had a guy with a bad shoulder and he would let me do the arm submissions just to practice but we both had the understanding that it is just locking in the technique with no pressure like you are saying. Me and him would train for ways for him to fight those off so when he deals with someone without a brain that they couldnt hurt him even if they tried. we trained a lot of unorthodox moves that were super nasty but yet really simple.

                Miss the days of rolling on the floor. a lot of good times.

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                • #33
                  Originally posted by BearNaked View Post

                  yea that is chicken shit of that guy. he is lucky you let him walk out on his own power. that is the difference between us and them. they come into our world trying to hurt us but yet we have the restraint to only damage their ego instead of their body.

                  I had a guy with a bad shoulder and he would let me do the arm submissions just to practice but we both had the understanding that it is just locking in the technique with no pressure like you are saying. Me and him would train for ways for him to fight those off so when he deals with someone without a brain that they couldnt hurt him even if they tried. we trained a lot of unorthodox moves that were super nasty but yet really simple.

                  Miss the days of rolling on the floor. a lot of good times.
                  That guy was half my size and could've kicked my ass in about 5 different ways and I don't freely admit that about many people. It was sad because he really was a prodigy. I'm sure that once he got kicked out he found another school and probably continued to advance at a lightning pace. Our school was just a very pure Gracie lineage and our Black Belt took character into consideration. I've found that most schools are the same way, which is one the many reasons GJJ/BJJ stood out compared to so many "Black Belt factories" in other disciplines.
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                  • #34
                    Train out of Renzo Middletown NY under Zeferino. I have been training for 9 years now
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                    • #35
                      Went to my first class last night. More of a cardio work out than I expected. Enjoyed it though.

                      Is there any way to keep you toes from snagging your partners gi when your rolling?

                      Ryan
                      sigpicR700 SA 308, CPR, Rock Creek Bbl, McM A-3 Sporter, 20 MOA Base, tuned 40x trigger, PTG M5 DBM under construction.
                      R700 LA 300WM, Rogers Rifles, Ops Inc brake, HTG camo, sako extractor, Tuned older trigger, PTG M5 DBM, Bushnell ET 6-24x50 G2, Badger 20 moa base.
                      R700 SA Varmint, .223, Timney trigger, HS PSS, PTG DBM, EGW 15 MOA base, Bushnell 5-15x40mm.
                      R700 SA 308, APA, Broughton Bbl, APA tuned trigger, HS PSS, 20 MOA base, Bushnell ET 3.5-21x50mm G2DMR, American Rifle Company M10 rings.

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                      • #36
                        Originally posted by Punisher29073 View Post
                        Went to my first class last night. More of a cardio work out than I expected. Enjoyed it though.
                        It's big time cardio. Once you learn to relax, it'll get better, though it'll still be taxing.

                        Is there any way to keep you toes from snagging your partners gi when your rolling?
                        Just don't put them in his/her gi? LOL... Those kinds of things will get better over time - it's partially a control issue, and partially learning how to use and/or avoid your partner's gi while you're rolling. Even after some time, you'll still find yourself tangled up every once in a while. You'll also learn to recognize when you're actually in danger from it, or just at a disadvantage. Get ready for mat burn, too... ha ha.

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                        • #37
                          Wrestled all thru high school and miss the hell out of it! Really good for making you insanely balls out aggressive. Wasnt until I started wrestling that I learned the meaning of dig deep, found out how to pull a level of effort outta myself that I aint know existed and I think many others also just simply dont know how to try as hard as wrestling teaches you to lol. Im talking like 1001% effort literally going as hard as you possibly can. Obviously this expends incredible energy and consequently wrestling requires more intense cardio than ANY other sport hands down IMO. I can tell you for a fact wrestling had the most difficult conditioning of any sport at my school by far. Really wish my college had a wrestling club. I know yall bjj motherfuckers would submit me all day but still wrestling is great for teaching fighting for position and then keeping that position once ya get there.... love it personally its great for knocking down/letting out the personal demons and rage in some of us..

                          Really wish we coulda seen't this gentleman transition onto MMA and grappling. What a beast, undefeated thru his ENTIRE high school AND Div1 NCAA career!:
                          https://youtu.be/4HeI3O-sVzI
                           
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                          • #38
                            I couldn't help but chuckle at the Ankle Picks. My black belt, who was an OLD-school guy, used to joke that there weren't any leg locks in BJJ until they started letting women train. In two years I'd never even seen one until I did a Ryron seminar. My black belt told me to never try that "gay shit" in his gym. It was weird how some of the instructors had their little quirks about that stuff. Some schools worked leg submissions constantly.
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                            • #39
                              Originally posted by Forgetful Coyote View Post
                              I know yall bjj motherfuckers would submit me all day but still wrestling is great for teaching fighting for position and then keeping that position once ya get there....
                              Wouldn't disagree at all. Wrestling is fantastic. Once you figure out that you're not winning against a BJJ guy who's flat on his back, and learn to not give up your back and keep your elbows in, you might be surprised how well you'd fare if you still have/had that conditioning level, and wrestling chops.

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                              • #40
                                Originally posted by davere View Post

                                Wouldn't disagree at all. Wrestling is fantastic. Once you figure out that you're not winning against a BJJ guy who's flat on his back, and learn to not give up your back and keep your elbows in, you might be surprised how well you'd fare if you still have/had that conditioning level, and wrestling chops.
                                Totally agree. We loved having wrestling or Judo guys in class, they helped us dramatically with our take downs and they learned a lot on the ground.
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                                • #41
                                  Originally posted by davere View Post

                                  Wouldn't disagree at all. Wrestling is fantastic. Once you figure out that you're not winning against a BJJ guy who's flat on his back, and learn to not give up your back and keep your elbows in, you might be surprised how well you'd fare if you still have/had that conditioning level, and wrestling chops.
                                  Ive done ok against my buddy who trains grappling. He wasnt sure how to deal with me at first, as I guess bjj teaches you to utilize different base/hip position. In wrestling, were putting all our weight on you and making it as uncomfortable as possible for you while having hips super low to the ground and legs/feet flayed out. He hasnt been able to sweep me once outta all the times weve rolled around. But unfortunately like I said theres no such thing as pacing yourself in wrestling so he almost always has let me get that position Im fighting for while using all my energy in the process and he just weathers the storm until Im tired.
                                  Even though I dont know much about bjj, one dude that I love to watch is Marcelo Garcia... jeez that fucker is a machine!
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                                  • #42
                                    So glad to see a BJJ thread here. At first I was just going to be an old Army grunt getting back into shooting, with little to share, and lots of learning. Then a great thread like this pops up to make the place feel like home. On September 2nd, I'll have a total of 35 years martial arts training. I was a Karate black belt by the time I enlisted in the Army, which was cool back then. But in 93, when I had my first MMA fight (called NHB back then), I got my ass whooped like a school boy by a Muay Thai guy. So I started training Muay Thai in 93. And then I got hooked into BJJ in 96. I learned directly from a Brazilian Master level guy for 12 years. He lived with me off and on for most of those years (his brother was also the Prez/CEO of Taurus Firearms, to we did BJJ with guns a LOT). We had a biz falling out in 07. Now I'm with an amazing Brazilian who's also armed with Olympic level wrestling and Judo. So our classes are quite diverse and fun. I'm also a boxing guy. My current coach is one of the former coaches from the Cuban Olympic Boxing team. MA is an addiction that'll never leave ya, even if you get hurt and have to quit.

                                    To any old guy that's considering taking up BJJ; do it. Do not hesitate. Most of my newer students are "older" guys. Meaning, guys breaking the 40 barrier. My BJJ used to be hyper aggressive thanks to the nature of my former coach. Attack attack attack. As I've gotten older, it's become more about old age and treachery. :-)
                                    In all seriousness, you can enjoy the mats as much as the young farts if you know how best to use your old ass geometry to your advantage.

                                    At this point, when I train with the younger guys, I go ahead and start in a bad position: Ie, stuck in side control, mounted, etc. And simply use the right defenses and counters to get out of the bad spot. Frankly, it's fun because they work like hell to get your old ass to tap. They get gassed, you reverse and punish them with pressure, or crank in a submission.

                                    You'll be sore, but you will also be satisfied. There is something very primal about BJJ. Same with Muay Thai and Boxing; but BJJ is primal on much different level. BJJ is one of the most satisfying activities ever.

                                    If anyone is ever in the Atlanta area, and wants to do some training, beer drinking and shit talking, mi casa su casa. If you are a seasoned grappler, by all means, drop a line; I love trading ideas.
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                                    • #43
                                      I train

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                                      • #44
                                        Originally posted by kusa View Post
                                        lmfao

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                                        • #45
                                          Trained BJJ for five years . Competed in NAGA. and during that time did one non sanctioned MMA fight . The only time I got hurt was in the gym training .
                                          Was training for a tournament with the number 1 super heavy weight at the time John Ponds .
                                          I was in his gaurd and just couldn't break it and was tryin to keep from being swept and gettin
                                          255lbs on top of me . I got to sqaure and flat on my shins and feet tops . Next thing I know is this guy moves like lightening sits up hooks his giant ass leg behind my left knee and takes me over backward . Folded me up ( swept) me with his leg between upper and lower leg and feet tops flat . That was a nice trip to the ER
                                          Had another big guy on me in a mount . The guy was clumsy as fuck . He decides to start surfin position totry and confuse me wound up kneein me in the fuckin ear . Found out a few years later inner ear bone broken and ear drum and bone covered in scar tissue . They removed bonebone , ear drum and scar tissue then grafted a new ear drum . I need to go back for prosthetic bone so I can hear .
                                          One time doin no Gi got another big guy in double under hooks and was setting to take him over my hip and down . He realized whats was going on and starts literally jumping all over the place . I finally said fuck it and stepped out wide with my right foot . As the foot went down my and Captain Kangaroos body weight came down at the same time on one foot . Snapped that fucker right behind the ball . After I took him over finished him with an armbar .
                                          Last time I was in the gym I went to open mat to roll . Wound up with some twenty year old that thought it was fuckin UfC . I get this guy in my gard and he's smashin me in the jaw and bouncing his forearm off my throat . You don't do that softening shit to experienced people .
                                          When he went on his upstroke I pushed his arm acrossed his chest and proceed to sink a triangle . I rotated him just right and between him being on the downstroke , me pullin him in with legs and arms and his shoulder in just the right spot , snap fuckin rib . Put shit head to sleep for his troubles .
                                          The majority of people I've rolled with are gentlemen but the douche bags ruin it . BJJ has
                                          been bastardized with American brawling . You can't learn or work a technique if the guy your rollin with is fightin all the time .
                                          My brother is one of the biggest offenders . Always brawlin and muscling, that's not Jiu Jitsu .
                                          After the broken rib I decided this shit don't pay the bills and I gotta be in work tomorrow .
                                          That was forty five .
                                          After training and fighting since 17 it really effin hurts to get up in the morning at 51 .

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