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  • Shooting some M45A1 and other .45 ACP

    I decided on some .45 shooting comparing the four flavors of pistol I own that chamber that cartridge. Im no pro pistol shot but hope to be good enough if I need to be....

    First up the M45A1 CQB we have talked about here. It was new in the box 200 rounds ago. Maybe Ill take the box and shoot it as its an appropriately sized target and Im tired of hearing how these are going to appreciate and what an investment it is. I appreciate it the way it should be appreciated - by shooting it (but if I had cash to squirrel one away......)



    About 13 yards to the man in black....



    Two hands steady rate of fire....bang, bang, bang, bang........



    I think all military guns should be parkerized carbon steel with the expectation of a little TLC but Cerakote was great for getting me some USMC history....


    Last edited by pmclaine; 05-09-2017, 04:31 PM.
    "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

  • #51
    Originally posted by jbell View Post

    Me? I spent a hell of a lot of time in Dadlonega, & my brother went to NGCSU (I should have but I went straight into the Corps). My home town is Ringgold GA. I sure do miss it down there!
    Being a Ranger, Dahlonega is a given in your pathway through the military. It was nice for me as I appreciate mountains. On the other hand it was a bit unusual for me, as when I got to the top of one I was used to seeing for miles. Not, seeing out through trees was an adjustment for me. I grew in N. Nevada. But, I did have a lot of fun there. And I did have me a Yonah burger. Sadly, I heard they shut down.
    Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

    The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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    • #52
      I had a lot of friends go threw Ranger school including my brother, as a Marine it (it being going threw Ranger school and then spending time in a Battalion) was one of the things I regret not doing while in the military. I have so much respect for Rangers, SF, and CAG guys, I have friends who went threw the whole process & one of my early life mentors was a Green Beret through 2 tours in Vietnam and beyond. RLTW!
      SEMPER FI

      We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
      Home of the free because of the brave!

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      • #53
        Sorry to derail the thread, please continue with the regularly scheduled awesome pistols...
        SEMPER FI

        We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
        Home of the free because of the brave!

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        • #54
          No its all good. Just stream of thought.

          Its kind of a BS thread anyway, just a dude shooting pistols.
          "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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          • #55
            Revolvers? Now we're talking.

            I was issued this Model 28 when I hired on at APD in 1974, they gave me the gun when I retired.



            I took it to the range last night and discovered it still shoots. 18 rounds before I had to quit, those hot loads started bringing down the florescent lights. But it still shoots.



            Real cops carry revolvers.
            Kraig Stuart
            Distinguished Rifle Badge #1071
            USAMU Sniper School, Oct '78

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            • #56
              When people ask "What should I get for a first pistol" I always recommend a revolver. Same for guys that say they are getting some micro semi for concealed carry - why not just get a vintage J Model S&W?

              There really is no manual of arms beyond pull the trigger and it goes bang. If it doesn't proceed to step one and try again.

              There are really great deals out there on used revolvers. New revolvers are junk compared to some of these night stand only guns that I see in the shops. 20-30 year old S&Ws built by artisans that people turn their nose up on because they are not the latest space age material.

              The 27-2 was my step fathers that came to me on his passing. I usually only shoot mid range .38s that I have loaded for the 52-2. Fill it up with .357 though and I think its capable, if huge, for anything I would want it to do, the most concerning walking around on land in western MA where a bear may want the food in my pack.
              Last edited by pmclaine; 05-18-2017, 10:21 AM.
              "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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              • #57
                Originally posted by pmclaine View Post
                When people ask "What should I get for a first pistol" I always recommend a revolver. Same for guys that say they are getting some micro semi for concealed carry - why not just get a vintage J Model S&W?

                There really is no manual of arms beyond pull the trigger and it goes bang. If it doesn't proceed to step one and try again.

                There are really great deals out there on used revolvers. New revolvers are junk compared to some of these night stand only guns that I see in the shops. 20-30 year old S&Ws built by artisans that people turn their nose up on because they are not the latest space age material.

                The 27-2 was my step fathers that came to me on his passing. I usually only shoot mid range .38s that I have loaded for the 52-2. Fill it up with .357 though and I think its capable, if huge, for anything I would want it to do, the most concerning walking around on land in western MA where a bear may want the food in my pack.
                That is sage advice. Although, as mentioned previously, I "grew up" on semi-autos. Although, I did shoot a few wheel guns before I went in the service. I tended to turn my nose up at them out of ignorance rather than a factual base of knowlege. Many of my friends owned revolvers in the service (hidden in the barracks ceiling) and we'd go out and shoot them into a ditchbank or something. We should've gone to the rec range and actually seen how they shot.

                In regular field time, we shot the hell out of .22's, 9mm Hi-powers and .45's. We carried a lot of the older WWII, Korean era, and VietNam Era .45's. Rumor had it that there were one or two .45's in Bn somewhere, that dated back to WWI. I don't remember any .45's that didn't rattle when brought out. We had two of each that were suppressor capable in our arms room. All in all though, very little training on revolvers. Even though the aviation guys carried them.
                Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                • #58
                  In boot camp I fam fired a .45. In the Fleet it was Berettas, not that I ever carried one. On MSG Duty we trained and qualified with Smith and Wesson Model 19s. It was good training where I learned a little about staging a trigger and coming to terms with wobble. Great guns.
                  "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                  • #59
                    Whats that you say? J Model...



                    I cut me a break and took out my angst at 7 yards....



                    and it hits good. Perhaps a little low...



                    Shooter gets a little lead poisoning also...




                    Great little gun. You can keep all the scandium or airweight guns that come along. Ill take steel when it comes to little guns.
                    "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by kraigWY View Post
                      Revolvers? Now we're talking.

                      I was issued this Model 28 when I hired on at APD in 1974, they gave me the gun when I retired.



                      I took it to the range last night and discovered it still shoots. 18 rounds before I had to quit, those hot loads started bringing down the florescent lights. But it still shoots.



                      Real cops carry revolvers.
                      Anchorage in the mid- to late-70's... with the pipeline starting up... for an LE, that must have been like the Wild West up there. Dodge city with ice. I have heard some stories... But none from the PD side of things. But it was supposed to be pretty crazy up there during those years.

                      Cheers,

                      Sirhr
                      Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum

                      Oderint dum metuant

                      "You went full nerd with that reference." Thanks, I will wear that as a badge of honor!

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                      • #61
                        This thread just keep on getting better!
                        SEMPER FI

                        We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
                        Home of the free because of the brave!

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                        • #62
                          and....



                          A Colt Police Positive in .38 special. This gun is effete, delicate, Art Deco, elegant. The grip is feminine in its size. The muzzle flips even with my powder puff 52-2 loads. Perhaps my grip is feminine.

                          The criminal was at 13 yards. I had to stifle a huge urge to shoot this one handed, left hand in pocket, bladed to the target with non dominant eye closed...



                          I was shooting low so I held his sternum. The trigger rolls sweet to the stage but the final pull is a bit heavy. I think this gun has seen little use. It was an issue gun to a city PD in Central MA...





                          The bluing on this gun is beautiful for a "service" piece. They dont build them as nice anymore. They must have put the hand in backwards though because the cylinder rotates clockwise

                          The end.


                          "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                          • #63
                            That colt is my favorite thus far! Who cares if the muzzle flips some, sights are fixed, and the grip is smaller than most, the Police Positive is one of my favorite handguns ever made.
                            SEMPER FI

                            We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
                            Home of the free because of the brave!

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                            • #64
                              I have a friend in MN who made himself some elkhorn grips for his two Bisleys. Those two pistols didn't flip when I shot them. They were his loads though, not commercial. No doubt the easiest revolvers to shoot, that I've ever shot.. Anyone else feel like they have better control with a Bisley?

                              Added: They were .45 Colt, and they seemed like stiffer loads than the BP loads I was running though my wifes Thunderer.
                              Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                              The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                              • #65
                                Isn't that the point of the Bisley's grip design, more vertical grip so the pistol doesn't ride up in your hand.
                                SEMPER FI

                                We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
                                Home of the free because of the brave!

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                                • #66
                                  Did someone say "Bisley????"



                                  First gen factory nickel and ivory.... Shipped new to....

                                  A hardware store in Maine. Must be some lobsterman won the Powerball back 'round the turn of the century.

                                  But figured you would like that one jbell.

                                  Cheers,

                                  Sirhr
                                  Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum

                                  Oderint dum metuant

                                  "You went full nerd with that reference." Thanks, I will wear that as a badge of honor!

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                                  • #67
                                    Very cool indeed!
                                    SEMPER FI

                                    We can not change the situations we are put in, only how those situations affect us.
                                    Home of the free because of the brave!

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                                    • #68
                                      Thank you srhr! My friends pistols look almost exactly like your pic, except for brown streaks/ridges on the grips... And I believe they were Gen. 3. Leroy does alright for himself, but not that good.
                                      Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                                      The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                                      • #69
                                        image_58019.jpg So I'm here in Raton, NM enjoying a few days at the range. Rather than post up my "wide-ass groups", I thought I would post my new trainee's groups. Five yards with my .22, her .38/.357, my .40 and .45.

                                        FTR, she only used .38 Spcl. in her pistol. Outstanding for a woman who only shot a pistol once before this day
                                        Last edited by sandwarrior; 05-21-2017, 12:25 AM.
                                        Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                                        The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by jbell View Post
                                          That colt is my favorite thus far! Who cares if the muzzle flips some, sights are fixed, and the grip is smaller than most, the Police Positive is one of my favorite handguns ever made.
                                          It is a beautiful gun. The old horse leather polishing wheels, or whatever they used, make the metal take on a deep blue. Looks almost nitre blue at times.

                                          It would be a great gun to put in a flap holster, don some jodphurs and puttees and than go looking for Dr Livingston.
                                          "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                                          • #71
                                            Originally posted by pmclaine View Post

                                            It is a beautiful gun. The old horse leather polishing wheels, or whatever they used, make the metal take on a deep blue. Looks almost nitre blue at times.

                                            It would be a great gun to put in a flap holster, don some jodphurs and puttees and than go looking for Dr Livingston.
                                            You mean like BuffaloWinter!??!!

                                            Cheers,

                                            Sirhr
                                            Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum

                                            Oderint dum metuant

                                            "You went full nerd with that reference." Thanks, I will wear that as a badge of honor!

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                                            • #72
                                              Rick Jones
                                              MAJ, SF (Ret)

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                                              • #73
                                                Colt Bisley, Colt 1878, Colt DA .41






                                                Last edited by buffalowinter; 05-21-2017, 08:49 AM.
                                                Rick Jones
                                                MAJ, SF (Ret)

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                                                • #74
                                                  Awesome photos as per usual Buff.....

                                                  I like me some Birdshead.

                                                  Biselys always looked to me like someone dropped the gun on the grip strap and bent it.
                                                  "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                                                  • #75
                                                    Not the pretty Bisley's you guys show but here in Raton, the have a few on display:
                                                    IMG_20170521_121826790.jpg
                                                    Note the low wide hammer. So easy to move the thumb right up and re-cock the weapon. Best hammer of all IMO. Whether or not, you 'correctly' like the grip, I definitely feel it lends to accuracy
                                                    Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                                                    The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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