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  • What's your favorite WW2 and older bolt rifle and why?

    I have very little experience with old rifles and would like to find out what the more accurate types were and what was special about them.

    I'm trying to find out which old iron sight rifle to get to shoot informal long range competitions with. I met a group of shooters that have access to 1100Y on steel that shoot "old iron sight rifles" for quarters and I would like to be competitive with my own old bolt gun for the same purpose. Many years ago I used to own a sporterized Swedish Mauser but never shot it past 200 yards. It shot pretty well and would get 1.5-2" at 100Y. I also liked the low recoil of 6.5x55.

    One of my fears is buying a old rifle only to find out it shoots horrible. Is there a Co that builds up old bolt rifles with new match quality barrels?

    Thanks
    Last edited by steve123; 09-09-2014, 01:57 PM. Reason: comp is iron sights

  • #76
    Well the Steyr M95 was fun to shoot but it was hitting about 2 feet high at 100Y so it was hard to hit the steel having to aim so low. The action is kind of stiff, to actuate I have to give it a firm pull and push. Trigger isn't the greatest, It's somewhat similar to the 91/30.

    Likes...I like how the clip falls out the bottom on the last round, how light and handy the rifle is and that it is a strait pull bolt. It's very unique.

    I really like the M48A. I really can't complain about anything, it functioned perfectly and the trigger is okay. Easy to shoot is how I could describe it. I think I'll buy some dies and brass and start reloading for it so I can see how accurate it is.

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    • #77
      1st German k98 Bnz 43 under 500 serial#, SS contract rifle 8x57 UN-screwed with original, its a sniper model that was filled in on the left side of the receiver. (side mount) (world war two bring back by family)

      2nd my ex girlfriends rifle that i built in the shop ,Turkish 98 in 22-243 mlsd wildcat. took it away from her,she was ungodly Scary with it.

      3rd is a 1891 Mauser in 358 Winchester. All custom of course, the only thing good on this and the second rifle was the action to begin with.
      ( now FOR Reloaders)
      little advice for these old rifles is that most of them have shot out barrels. lead cast bullets tuned in @ 1500- 2000 fps depending on what the barrel liked delivered 1 inch groups @100 yards after it fouled in. 15 to 20 shots ill do. Find the sweet spot. After you have it shooting good run a patch down the barrel and go have fun. Do not scrub the bore!!, the reason i say this is because the build up of lead is whats making it shoot by filling in the bad parts of the barrel. The bore cant rust either because of the wax used when casting bullets . This info might be useful for any one getting bad group sizes, and if you cast bullets?, the heavier the bullet the better.I have about 2000 rounds through the German pictured here and even shot at a couple military rifle matches with it. any questions? pm me.

      The German would have to be my best shooter for the price of reloading for it is right around 30-45 cents a shot and i cant really wear it out with lead. Sorry the lighting sucked on the pics. there's alot of sweet shooters on this thread, nice rifles all!!

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      you missed, "QUICK! JACK ANOTHER ONE IN IT!!!"

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      • #78
        Get after them 03's



        Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.
        - David Hackworth -

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        • #79
          Originally posted by MJ1 View Post

          Sweet gunsmithing tools. You are missing a Dremel though.

          Steve 123 what happened with the 8X Unertl 03?
          "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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          • #80
            Originally posted by pmclaine View Post
            This will be mounted on the new 03A1 I put on hold today.







            Intent will be a USMC M1941 sniper (sort of).

            pmclaine,

            It's been a while since I've been back to the post and looked through it in it's entirety.....I just noticed a complete and warm "fuzzy" feeling came over me. I shook like a dog and it didn't go away. Nice scope and rifle. Can't wait for the 'finished' pics!
            Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

            The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by sandwarrior View Post
              pmclaine,

              It's been a while since I've been back to the post and looked through it in it's entirety.....I just noticed a complete and warm "fuzzy" feeling came over me. I shook like a dog and it didn't go away. Nice scope and rifle. Can't wait for the 'finished' pics!
              Got word from Chuck in Denver that he should be shipping it back to me next week. I was going to stress myself out getting the mounts on the scope anodized black to make it more USMC snipery but aftter I had a small problem removing the recoil spring assembly I figured stop screwing with that old tube and put it back together.

              Cant wait to shoot this thing.
              "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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              • #82
                Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.
                - David Hackworth -

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by pmclaine View Post
                  Sweet gunsmithing tools. You are missing a Dremel though.

                  Steve 123 what happened with the 8X Unertl 03?
                  Turns out it's a Hi-lux copy. Still a good price for the 03 with scope mounted. I'm hoping he'll find the irons.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by steve123 View Post
                    Turns out it's a Hi-lux copy. Still a good price for the 03 with scope mounted. I'm hoping he'll find the irons.
                    $500 scope and if in any shape at all minimum $500 rifle. If its in a prewar C stock (S or S over O in cutoff) the stock can be $200-300 alone.

                    The only issue with the HiLux scopes is the hardware it seems. I read many are changing the hardware out to hardened USA screws. Many also use Steve Earle mount blocks.

                    If it was built right $1000 will give you a relatively cheap CMP sniper match legal rifle. Mine will be neither.
                    Last edited by pmclaine; 10-11-2014, 05:51 AM.
                    "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                    • #85
                      How long are your arms?

                      I'm 6'3" tall with long arms. My 03 Mk1 with the standard stock just beats the crap out of me. About 5 to 10 rounds and my cheek is pretty beat up. The stock is so short my nose is almost on the cocking knob and I can't get a thumb over the wrist of the stock and still see the sights like I need to. My M1917's are much better. Bigger, longer rifle. My 03A4 has a Type C stock on it and it also fits me pretty well.

                      What ever you choose, get a sling on it and learn to use the sling when you shoot. It'll help the groups and the recoil.
                      Guns, I like'em all. Well, American guns anyway.

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                      • #86
                        I have a certain respect for the M39 Finnish rifle that goes without saying, for those that know the history.




                        In the past few years, I have become enamored with the Steyr Mannlicher SchŲnauer 6.5x54 carbine, mainly because of the rotary magazine, craftsmanship, and the caliber.

                        I also like the Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55, which is the ballistics winner for any vintage long range competition. I've seen corroded box ammo from the early part of the last century smoke 175gr SMK's all day long during a long range shooting clinic in the hands of a teenage girl who was new to long range shooting. She repeatedly was ringing the flagger IPSC at 700yds like it was easy, to the point that she thought long range shooting was no big deal, and that we had spent too much emphasis on trying to teach its intricacies.

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                        • #87
                          I like the 6.5 but then I'm easy.



                          Nothing wrong with the Finn's either.

                          Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.
                          - David Hackworth -

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                          • #88
                            Old thread but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

                            For accuracy, one only had to look to the CMP Vintage Rifle Games where these rifles go head to head.

                            The best scores fired are those of the Springfield's. The cut off scores for the Springfield is higher then even those of the Garand, in addition to the Military (other rifles) as to the badges awarded.

                            Also, if the CMP Vintage Rifle Matches the Springfield's out shine the others.

                            Granted, you will find an exception at a given match, but in the games overall, the Springfield wins.

                            My favorite is the M1903a3. I can like the sights better then those on the 1903. As to the Vintage Sniper, I go with the A4. Granted the M1942 style win more matches but I'm army, I cant be shooting a marine rifle.
                            Kraig Stuart
                            Distinguished Rifle Badge #1071
                            USAMU Sniper School, Oct '78

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                            • #89
                              Have to add a picture just to see if there is a difference between this and the scout regarding posting.





                              Thanks Lowlight, I like this old style a lot better.
                              Kraig Stuart
                              Distinguished Rifle Badge #1071
                              USAMU Sniper School, Oct '78

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                              • #90
                                I don't have photos readily available but heres my list
                                1) bnz 43 K98 mauser
                                2) 03 Springfield
                                3) SMLE Enfield 1917
                                4) mosin nagant 35 hex receiver

                                The Mauser and Springfield shoot knots, even witn my eyes.
                                Love the looks of a Mauser personally I think its the best looking of the miltary bolt guns
                                Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups, alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.

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                                • #91
                                  Originally posted by kraigWY View Post
                                  Old thread but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

                                  For accuracy, one only had to look to the CMP Vintage Rifle Games where these rifles go head to head.

                                  The best scores fired are those of the Springfield's. The cut off scores for the Springfield is higher then even those of the Garand, in addition to the Military (other rifles) as to the badges awarded.

                                  Also, if the CMP Vintage Rifle Matches the Springfield's out shine the others.

                                  Granted, you will find an exception at a given match, but in the games overall, the Springfield wins.

                                  My favorite is the M1903a3. I can like the sights better then those on the 1903. As to the Vintage Sniper, I go with the A4. Granted the M1942 style win more matches but I'm army, I cant be shooting a marine rifle.
                                  Kraig, the Marine rifle doesn't win more because it is more accurate than the A4, it wins because of the 8 power scope compared to the 2.5 power scope of the A4. I have built about 4 A4's, because you can use any sporterized 03 or A3 as a base and not have to ruin a good 03 of any variation, and they all shoot well. Several other comments about the 03, A3, are the ammo they used was the M1 ball ammo, which used the 173 grain bullet and most 03 and A3 and Garand's are more accurate with 175/180 grain bullets, than with the 150 grain bullet. Also in the 70's, the 1917's were popular for building magnums, but the actions had cracks in them, when they were magnafluxed, so none of the guys I knew had one built into a magnum and most stopped shooting them. Also, I used a sporterized 03 as my main hunting rifle, from 69 until I stopped hunting big game, in Washington and then Alaska, in the 90's, but I still have it and shoot it some.

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                                  • #92
                                    Love all this info, I have wondered this exact same thing for awhile. I have always been into modern rifles and want to buy a couple older rifles, this cleared up a few things.


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                                    • #93
                                      K31 hands down. Then the Swedish Mausers. The Finnish M39 and the Lee Enfield No 4 tie for third place.

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                                      • #94
                                        Ok for low recoil and distance going to be hard to beat the swede. But no one has mentioned the K31 that I have seen. You can use Surplus ammo and be right in there. I've shot mine out to a grand and if can get the aperture sights for it not giving up much to scope. Something to think about.
                                        I'm just waiting for the voices in my head to wake up.

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                                        • #95
                                          Originally posted by Deej View Post
                                          Ok for low recoil and distance going to be hard to beat the swede. But no one has mentioned the K31 that I have seen. You can use Surplus ammo and be right in there. I've shot mine out to a grand and if can get the aperture sights for it not giving up much to scope. Something to think about.
                                          I came here to mention the K31! My only vintage is a Tula Nagant, but the K31 is next on my list.

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                                          • #96
                                            Of all the WWII rifles I've owned and shot, I kinda still have to say it's the Grand for all around. Close send is the Mexican 1936, K-31 and Swede M38 follow. Now that I've shot a few, 1903A3

                                            If you were to say sniper rifle, it would be a toss-up between a K-98 w/4X Zeiss or a Swede M41B..
                                            Last edited by sandwarrior; 02-23-2017, 02:25 PM.
                                            Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                                            The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                                            • #97
                                              Springfield 1903, just something classic and awesome about it

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                                              • #98
                                                I didn't realize this thread had been transferred over til just now.

                                                A recap.

                                                Long story short, the plinking for quarters with the old rifles caused me to spend a bunch of $ on four different old rifles. I won some quarters with them but my friends talked into trying Silhouette with Vintage rifles.

                                                I tried my hand with the K31 first, which shoots excellent near as I could tell - but truth be told the irons were too hard for me to see with my oldish eyes.

                                                Turned out a wealthy friend had a bunch of original WW2 original sniper rifles complete with their counterpart old scopes. The deal was to test them and compare, then load him up some ammo in exchange. Oh boy, hands rubbing together, right on! He let me borrow about 20,000 worth of these things!

                                                I had the most success with the Swedish Mauser, damn I can't even remember the scope but it was 4x. I got the record in that club for vintage sniper to that point in time and won the match. 33/40 IIRC. 140 hybrids at 2650 fps was the key, plus the rifle was the most accurate of all of them. Kicked ass in the wind too.

                                                Next was the Springfields, tried 3 of them including a brand new reproduction, friend hadn't even shot it yet. The Marine with 8x scope was my favorite. Won VS division just not the match that day. Gotta watch out for those black powder buffalo rifles as we shoot with those guys at the same time.

                                                I grew a appreciation for modern rifles, lol. The old rifles all had pretty big POI shifts as the barrel got hotter. One time in particular I had to dial 2 minutes from the first shot to the 10th on the Rams! Thank goodness for my awesome spotter friends that helped me out.

                                                I kinda backed off even though there were a few more interesting old sniper rifles to try out. Maybe someday.

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                                                • #99
                                                  Finnish M39. The Finns took a pile of Russian junk and turned it into a refined, match grade killing machine. The history from the Winter War and WW2 that's in those rifles is incredible.
                                                  semper fi Roll Tide
                                                  aka KlownPuncher
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                                                  • My absolute favourite pre war bolt action is the Wichester Model 70. Smooth as butter, always reliable, and excellent trigger.

                                                    Second favorites are the 1917 Enfields / 1914 Enfields. Those rifles just feel right for a battle rifle(too me) and they're built like a tank!

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