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  • Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test

    A friend of mine sent this to me thinking it was important enough to share with the masses. I think he's right. I'll let you Sig P320 guys reach your own conclusions. If leaving 'this' test out on purpose is proven I'll never touch another Sig in my lifetime.

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  • #26
    Sig is already offering upgrades to fix the issue. That didn't take long.


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    • #27
      http://www.recoilweb.com/sig-sauer-i...20-129031.html

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      • #28
        Good for them for recognizing the potential bad press, whether warranted or not and taking quick and decisive action. It should calm people's concerns and let them see that Sig is not like most car companies.

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        • #29
          I'm happy that an update is being performed. My department issues P229s and we were looking to switch to the 320s. There was immediate hesitation after yesterday but this should squash it. We got a chance to demo them and I really like it so I'm happy the issue will be resolved.


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          • #30
            Do glocks or M&Ps do this?

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            • #31
              A little off topic BUT


              My wife wanted a P320 sub compact for her carry pistol so I bought her one. First time out with factory Winchester 115s and also Blazed 115s we had two failures to fire. No pin strike on the first one. Trigger reset and click. 20 rounds later it happened again. This time I didn't eject the round, just chamber checked it and it fired. I bought her a P238 the next day. Fixed or not I will never trust this pistol.

              Sig asked me to run a couple hundred more rounds to try to duplicate before I sent it in. They said they have never heard of this, and I believe the guy I spoke to honestly hasn't but there are several YouTube videos showing the same failure. I just tossed it back in the box and put it away. I may send it in to get them to adjust "timing" but it will never get carried.


              Before anyone calls me a Sig hater, I carry a P938, my daughter has a P238 and my wife has a P230 lightweight, a P320 and a P238. I also have an Astra A100 (my first pistol ever) that's just a Spanish copy of a P228. I wanted to like the P320, it has a great trigger (for a DAO) and handles well, but it'll never be more than a loaner range pistol now.
              Last edited by FatBoy; 08-08-2017, 09:12 PM.
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              • #32
                I shot the full size & the compact versions of the P320 last year. I didn't care for either because each version had a sloppy trigger. I'm not a Sig hater but this pistol is a turd. Period. It ought to be renamed the POS 320. Im not a fan at all. However, there is a simple fix; buy something else.

                DISCLAIMER: I'm not an anti Sig guy or someone else's fanboy advocating for any other particular pistol. But, I was very turned off by this particular Sig offering.






                Last edited by WATERWALKER; 08-08-2017, 10:52 PM.
                Sit talis fugere.

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                • #33
                  It's not like they didn't tell us...
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                  • #34
                    The only reason this is a topic is because the mil chose this gun as their new weapon.

                    Shit happens when shit happens. I try not to drop my pistols and if that is a potential than wear a lanyard.

                    Who knows what can happen when a gun is dropped.

                    Id rather see a jump test. What happens when I jump off a six foot wall and land on my feet with the holstered gun? will it go off? Thats a likely scenario.

                    I thought the whole military gun buy had been put to bed.

                    Didnt the mil just buy a shit ton of spares not to long ago to keep the Beretta viable? Wasnt the general consensus that pistols are pretty much useless for most in the mil except a select few? Seems the select few will be using something different still.

                    The way this came about the last week or so of the last administration screams Cloward and Piven or "Lets fuck Beretta for being vocal in protecting the 2A after Newtown"

                    The novel thing about this pistol is that "the gun" as recognized by the ATF is not a gun.

                    The ability to swap parts and maintain the fire control chassis as inventory should be a benefit over time.

                    It will be a cluster if fixing the drop issue requires replacing the part of the gun that is inventoried.
                    Last edited by pmclaine; 08-09-2017, 07:40 AM.
                    "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                    • #35
                      SO, last week I read a PR piece from Sig stating emphatically that their P320 was safe and had no issues. Also that the "test" performed was not industry standard. This morning, on The Shooting Wire, Sig responds with a new statement. Now they imply that is could happen on certain P320 pistols and that, beginning August 14, they have a fix for it. I worked in the industry and can honestly say there hasn't been a manufacturer that has never had an issue so I do not condemn Sig for a problem. My immediate thought was "how did Sig win the Mil contract if this was an issue"? "Didn't they test them exhaustively?" But the last part of Sigs press release today states that the M17 Mil version is not affected. Does that mean the issue arose during testing and a fix was done on the M17? If so, does that mean they tried to cover up? An interesting way to go about dealing with it in any case.
                      Disclaimer: The above is my opinion and not that of any former employer.
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                      • #36
                        Originally posted by lash View Post
                        Good for them for recognizing the potential bad press, whether warranted or not and taking quick and decisive action. It should calm people's concerns and let them see that Sig is not like most car companies.
                        sig is only offering replacements now that there are videos proving they fire when dropped.......and they are replacing it with parts from the MHS contract pistols.........meaning SIG has likely known about the drop safety issue for a while and has remained quiet about it......so fuck sig.

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                        • #37
                          Well, if that's truly the case, then I stand corrected.

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                          • #38
                            The interesting thing to me is how many pistols have come out in the last twenty years that have a grip or firing pin safety (or both) that physically block firing when dropped? Purtnear all of them. Why was this not a first consideration? How did this pistol bypass a primary criteria?
                            Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

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                            • #39
                              It has a firing pin block.

                              Seems that inertia causes the trigger to pull itself.

                              The fix would seem to be a lighter trigger that will probably break or a heavier trigger pull everyone will hate or the manual safety that everyone says will cause death when it's forgotten to be disengaged.

                              Guns shoot bullets, it's what they do.

                              A 100% safe gun can be engineered. No one will want it. The Liberals will love it.

                              Sig knows about the issue, easy fix.

                              Last edited by pmclaine; 08-09-2017, 05:31 PM.
                              "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                              • #40
                                So the trigger replacement will eliminate the "double click". I suspect this issue is what is causing my occasional FTFs. Supposed to fix the drop fire issue, though the double click is likely unrelated. Maybe they are fixing two known issues in one swipe? Hopefully I will get ours the turned around soon.


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                                • #41
                                  Gee, and to think that this all started because the Dallas Police Department read the legal warnings in the owners manual.
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                                  • #42
                                    Originally posted by pmclaine View Post
                                    It has a firing pin block.

                                    Seems that inertia causes the trigger to pull itself.

                                    The fix would seem to be a lighter trigger that will probably break or a heavier trigger pull everyone will hate or the manual safety that everyone says will cause death when it's forgotten to be disengaged.

                                    Guns shoot bullets, it's what they do.

                                    A 100% safe gun can be engineered. No one will want it. The Liberals will love it.

                                    Sig knows about the issue, easy fix.
                                    Not really. I know you mentioned 1911. That is a good example. Drop the gun how many times and it won't fire in any direction. The firing pin is block and the trigger is not engaged until the beaver-grip is held down. I'm just surprised there is nothing like that on this pistol.

                                    As to the lighter trigger, it will go off if you apply something like 1/3rd more of an ounce? This may be a chest-high drop, not going off thing, but all that needs happen is for this to be a head-high drop and it's back to going off.
                                    Every shot serves a purpose, whether accurate or inaccurate. It will always tell you what you did, and did not do, right. Even if all you have is a fraction of a second to make it, learn from it. So the next one is even better.

                                    The pen is only mighty when it is backed by the sword.

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                                    • #43
                                      Anti 1911 people claim all those safetys on a 1911 are a detriment and potential failure.

                                      The 1911 was intended to be fired off horseback and they only wanted it to go bang when manual safety was set to fire, pistol was properly gripped, slide was in solid battery and most importantly trigger was pulled.

                                      Its only in the overly litigious times that the 1911 included a firing pin block, another level of safety in a pistol already loaded with safety....and the worlds best trigger.

                                      Lots of high speed people these days pin the grip safety on a 1911 and bitch about the series 80 trigger.

                                      Oh well you will never make everyone happy and you will never make an item that shoots projectiles completely safe.

                                      I carry a striker fired weapon. Everyone exclaims of its safety. To my understanding its is about 98% cocked, has no manual safety, and relies on a little corner of plastic and a hinged trigger for safety which has been shown to be easily defeated by drawstrings on a sweatshirt.
                                      "...But they would never find anything to beat the old Springfield ...the long sleek streamline, very slim but with potent bulges, all in the just exactly right places to give it that pugnaciously forward-leaning, eager look that marked the Springfield. Beside it, the M1 looked like a fat old man puffing with a lack of training...the two most beautiful things made in America were the ax-handle and the clipper ship? ...they should have added one more thing: The Springfield '03 rifle..."

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                                      • #44
                                        Sig knew of the problem and made changes ... M17. Plus they stated it only effects some P320.. wonder why that is? They knew and now are CYA. I like Sig. I like the 320. But it's not my favorite by anymeans. Just a bummer they didn't come clean before this all broke out.

                                        Of course Sig winning over Glock hasn't helped all the Glock fans from screaming this from.every rooftop. Don't blame them either

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                                        • #45
                                          Originally posted by shoot4fun View Post
                                          SO, last week I read a PR piece from Sig stating emphatically that their P320 was safe and had no issues. Also that the "test" performed was not industry standard. This morning, on The Shooting Wire, Sig responds with a new statement. Now they imply that is could happen on certain P320 pistols and that, beginning August 14, they have a fix for it. I worked in the industry and can honestly say there hasn't been a manufacturer that has never had an issue so I do not condemn Sig for a problem. My immediate thought was "how did Sig win the Mil contract if this was an issue"? "Didn't they test them exhaustively?" But the last part of Sigs press release today states that the M17 Mil version is not affected. Does that mean the issue arose during testing and a fix was done on the M17? If so, does that mean they tried to cover up? An interesting way to go about dealing with it in any case.
                                          Disclaimer: The above is my opinion and not that of any former employer.
                                          EOTech didn't have any issues either & it was awarded a government contract... Weren't the EOTechs tested exhaustively as well?
                                          Sit talis fugere.

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                                          • #46
                                            Originally posted by WATERWALKER View Post

                                            EOTech didn't have any issues either & it was awarded a government contract... Weren't the EOTechs tested exhaustively as well?
                                            True, true, so true.
                                            The wind is not your friend.....unless you just farted.

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                                            • #47
                                              I have dropped mine over and over just like in the "video"...... and nothing, +/- 20 drops from 4 1/2 feet ish. I'm calling a little bullshit...
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