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  • Bushnell conx vs sig kilo 2200

    Bushnell is running a 25% rebate on their product which brings the down close to kilo2200?

    With that, which is a better choice? Consider the Bluetooth just as an add-on, and focus on ranging mainly.

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    The Bushnell has many more options than the sig, and the design of the Conx is way better and being a Horizontal design makes it easier to hold steady Much like the Terrapin / G7 and it has a Built In Tripod Adapter.

    Most people complain about the 10 pre set modes claiming they are not accurate, well here's the Rub, They are for "Factory Standard HUNTING Loads" and Standard Rifles, Not Home / Custom Loads or Custom Rifles, And They "ARE" within inches or "Less" and they will work out to over 800 yards, Or you can use one of the other mode that will give you the Ranges for as far as it can Range, The Conx has 4 Brightness setting, That work from low light when set at Number 1 and when set to Number 4 you can point it at the Sky and still be able to read the Screen, One thing I really like is the metal Diopter ring which has a lot of adjustment, And I have ranged things from 5 yards out to over a mile.

    The Bushnell Conx gives you the option of 16 Ballistic Modes and Three Ranging Modes, and you have the Choice of "Line of Sight" or the "True" Ballistic Range, It will also give you the Bullet Drop in ( Cm, Inches, Mils and MOA ). This Now brings us to the "Conx" side of things,

    You can connect it to the Conx App which will give you the Dope out to 1000 + yards, Then you can use the Kestrel App, Then You can Connect it to the Kestrel Sportsman or if you want AB's unlimited Software then you can Connect it to the Kestrel Elite Applied Ballistics which will take it out to as far as it will Go. When the Conx is linked to the Kestrel the Conx sends the range and the degrees to the Kestrel and then the Kestrel sends the Range and Adjustments back to the Conx which is then displayed on the screen of the Conx which is all done in nano seconds etc, Or you can set it up to give you the Full Beans and Type the DATA in to your preferred APP and MAX it right out, The only Limits on the Bushnell Conx are the Ones we put there and like all PLRF's ranging will vary Due to Weather conditions, Light etc.

    I have ranged fence posts out to almost a mile, and Domestic Sheep at over 1300 yards and Trees at well over 1500 yards, I have hit sheds at a Mile 9 times out of 10. and Crows and Seagulls well over 300 yards, and Stone Rock Walls well past 1500 yards.

    People have a bad habit of judging LRF's by how far they can go which is a big mistake, When they should be judging them on what they can do and "How" they can be adapted to suit your needs, It does not matter if a rangefinder can Range out to 10 Miles Although that would be nice as a conversation piece It has very little use to us in the real world. The earlier Bushnell 1 Mile ARC is a great LRF but with The Conx you have a couple of Cheats where you can use it to get the Range etc to feed in to your favourite App and get the Max Ranging formula's.

    Having read many Military Tests and compared the Specs to what the Military required and then done my own Tests, The Bushnell Conx is well within what was asked for by the US Government / DOD. and since the Bushnell 1500 came out the DOD has ordered over 60,000 to 100,000 Bushnell rangefinders. Just as a side note the US DOD did not require an LRF to hit a 10" plate at 1200 yards so whether some can or can't is irrelevant, As I said above, It is how an LRF adapts to your needs is what is important, A classic example of this is the first G7 model that came out, Because it only gave you readings in MOA which although at the time I preferred MOA come ups, To me using a scope with a Mil Dot Reticle and MOA Turrets seems stupid and is more like having speed signs that read MPH and your Car/Trucks speedo reading KPH, Where as the G7 should of been switchable Like most other LRF's were when the G7 first came out and thank goodness G7 have now corrected this with the Mk II G7. We could go as far to drag the Vectronix range of LRF's in to the mix because they have the best ranging abilities of any LRF along with a couple of other companies that their range is measured in Miles not Yards or metres, But if we are honest they have very little use in our world,

    The Bushnell Conx and the Sig 2200 and the Sig 2400 and the Leica 1600b and the 2000b are all excellent Rangefinders and the one a person should buy is the one that ticks all your boxes, Not the one that goes the furthest or is the most expensive, My reason for going with the Conx is because I wanted a Rangefinder that would give me the maximum amount of options to Access "ANY" App or scenario that would possibly arise, So If my Kestrel Crashed I could use my App or if my App/Battery in my tablet or phone Died then I could use the Kestrel or if both of them Died then I could use the Closest of the Ballistic Modes, And If my LRF battery died then I can use my Scope or Binoculars or my Spotter. The Conx fills in all the Gaps because of how flexible it is, My Conx gives me Ballistics My Kestrel gives me ballistics, My Tablet gives me Ballistics and So does my Phone, So without Range cards they give me 4 ways to get Ballistic solutions and with my Conx, Scope, Bino's and my Spotter they also Give me 4 options to acquire Range estimation. I want all bases covered and no Grey areas, One thing for sure is that being on the wrong side of the Scope at a Mile or So is a Dangerous place to be if the Conx is at hand.

    Most of the Conx Reviews are just cut and paste and not one of them actually go in to what it can do and they just parrot out their version of what is on Bushnell's page. and the Manual although it is good does not cover it all and some of my findings I have relayed back to Bushnell via their importers.

    There is No Best Range finder, But there is one that Ticks all your boxes, For me the Conx leaves nothing to Chance, "Yes" a Terrapin would be nice but it does not do enough to remove any margins of error, The PLRF 10, 15. 25 or the Vector IV, 21, or the 23 etc do a lot but none of them are needed unless a person is on the frontline and then the Government will supply you with them, where as a $500 - $1000 will cover most Hunting or Tactical applications at a fraction of the Cost.

    Hope this helps,

    John.
    Last edited by MilDot1960; 05-13-2017, 07:42 AM.
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    • #3
      What a great review. It mirrors my experience with mine. When paired with a Kestrel they are fantastic. I bought mine after using my shooting partners during the Mammoth Sniper Challenge last year. We had several unknown distance stages that being able to have our rifle data already pre loaded it was blazing fast to laze targets and get a solution. It definitely took some abuse at that match and the entire match it never got above 10 degrees and it worked flawlessly. Ive since used mine in a couple of matches and it works excellent in a hunting scenario.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HuntinBuddy80 View Post
        What a great review. It mirrors my experience with mine. When paired with a Kestrel they are fantastic. I bought mine after using my shooting partners during the Mammoth Sniper Challenge last year. We had several unknown distance stages that being able to have our rifle data already pre loaded it was blazing fast to laze targets and get a solution. It definitely took some abuse at that match and the entire match it never got above 10 degrees and it worked flawlessly. Ive since used mine in a couple of matches and it works excellent in a hunting scenario.
        Thanks,

        To be honest my original goal was to buy the Bushnell 1 mile ARC because I liked the features and the Colour and at the time I was holding back from getting the Bluetooth model because of not knowing whether it was a secure set up or not and then it all started to make more sense, And with the Applied Ballistic's and the Custom ( Gun 1, 2 and 3 Modes ) I realised that they were the edge that I was looking for, So with all the choices the Conx has there is not one area in which it can not cover, With many optics they are either too powerful or not powerful enough or too heavy or have pull up eye cups where as Twist up eye cups are more useful or the Reticle is too big or is always in your vision / Sweet spot, Where as the Conx does not suffer from any of these issues But most of all it ranges extremely well and it gives you many ways to access Ballistic Solutions out to a Mile or more.

        So far I have not used it mounted on a Tripod but when I do I quite expect it to range even further, but as of yet with the aid of The Kestrel or my Apps I have not found it to be wanting, The Conx is the Real Deal and anything a person can think of is in there, and It does not need Weather features built in because that is what the Kestrel is for and my Watch also covers that too and reading wind manually is something we should all practice, So between the Kestrel and my Watch and my person skills again all bases are covered,

        Hope this helps,

        John.
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        • #5
          Thanks for the long reply. I mainly focus on ranging and sheep at 1300 is pretty good.
          my concern with Sig is that people's reviews are inconsistent. Some say it is great others say they suck. Yet for Bushnell there are not many feedback can be found.

          Originally posted by MilDot1960 View Post

          I have ranged fence posts out to almost a mile, and Domestic Sheep at over 1300 yards and Trees at well over 1500 yards, I have hit sheds at a Mile 9 times out of 10. and Crows and Seagulls well over 300 yards, and Stone Rock Walls well past 1500 yards.


          John.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ironsight1000yard View Post
            Thanks for the long reply. I mainly focus on ranging and sheep at 1300 is pretty good.
            my concern with Sig is that people's reviews are inconsistent. Some say it is great others say they suck. Yet for Bushnell there are not many feedback can be found.

            Your Welcome,

            The Conx is like a Swiss Army Knife it does everything So what ever Bushnell bring out next is going to have some awful big Boots to fill, Maybe add a Compass would be great for Drawing/making Maps/Range cards etc.along with giving the shooter the direction of fire. One thing to remember is that it was Bushnell that gave us the first Rangefinders so I think they are ahead of their Game.

            Like you I came up against the same problems, There are no serious reviews except one or two and there are a lot that just quote Bushnell's sales pitch, The truth is you can adapt the Conx to suit your needs, I was also thinking of the New G7 but it's weather set up is incomplete yet it is a Great Rangefinder and I have seen them range way out there 3 years ago it was the Go To LRF but now everyone raves about the Sig but their past models have less than a 40% strike rate where over 60% of owners have had to return them or trade up to the next model, One major bug bare is the tripod mount which is an after thought and yet another piece of kit to carry, Why they never integrated the mount in to the housing just shows lack of forethought, With a little effort the Sig could have been really good so hopefully they will step up with their next version.

            John.
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            • #7
              Hers ya Go Try this Video, his results mirror mine pretty much.

              John.

              Enjoy.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufyEqTn6CaM
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              • #8
                I'm going to be the voice of dissent then, get the 2200MR. The Sig rangefinders are outstanding.
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                • #9
                  My PRF was stolen so i'm in the market as well. The 25% off the bushnell is very attractive as it's horizontal config is what i'm used to. So ranging animals at 1000yds isn't too much a problem. That's really all i'd ask of it in hunting scenarios is 1000 and below.
                  "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                  "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                  • #10
                    I bought my Bushnell range finder off of Promotive. The mil-discount is very nice, and made it the best deal I could find on a range finder.

                    I haven't paired it up with a Kestrell yet. I want to get the AB Elite version eventually. However there are two very simple work arounds, that I think might be better.

                    I use the AB Mobile App on my phone. I take the come-up data off of that and put it into the CONX program, and then my data is spot on at distance. And it's stored in the rangefinder, So I don't need to have my phone on me, Or a Kestrel. If I can range it, I can shoot it.

                    The other work around is to just use the app as intended. Zero your rifle at 100 yards, and shoot it on paper out to a good distance, get good data, and then plug it into the rangefinder. No ballistic truing or altering BCs of bullets or any of that junk.

                    I shot 6 deer in two days in part because of the rangefinder. My time between spotting game and shooting is very good. The furthest deer was just over 700 yards.

                    I also used mine at Mammoth this year, which was absolutely brutal. It didn't have a single issue and it never got above 10 degrees. I was happy with it. It worked better than I did at that temp.
                    Have Gun...Will Travel.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LawnMM View Post
                      I'm going to be the voice of dissent then, get the 2200MR. The Sig rangefinders are outstanding.
                      Yeah many people like it, but some are saying their units are just like some of the bad kilo2000s. Those don't range well.
                      I don't know but seems like Sig has some QC issue.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ironsight1000yard View Post

                        Yeah many people like it, but some are saying their units are just like some of the bad kilo2000s. Those don't range well.
                        I don't know but seems like Sig has some QC issue.
                        There's probably 10x the number of Kilo 2000s in the wild as the ConX. I had an older Bushy LRF, it was decent for the money...at the time, the Kilos are way better. The hyperscan feature is amazing.

                        This is the first place I've seen someone speak positively about the ConX. Seen plenty of people bitching about Bluetooth connectivity issues. Crappy ballistics software that displays drop but no wind hold, etc.

                        You'll find negatives everywhere. Where are the people complaining about the 2200s? I've not seen that yet. $1150 is supposed to be a bargain? I'd steer guys towards a Kilo 2400 for that kind of money, they're selling in the high 12s and low 13s and it's one device instead of two with all the same features and a better LRF.
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                        • #13
                          How do they compare to the prf? Also is it that complicated to design a horizontal oriented portable range finder? That's an honest question. It's a huge selling point for me. I can't stand the way standard range finders are shaped.
                          "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                          "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                          • #14
                            I so seriously consider 2200, but so many people have a bad 2000. The 2200 is relatively new so less reports but here is one

                            https://forum.snipershide.com/forum/...-world-reviews

                            The conx is a hair above $500 with the 25% rebate, really close to 2200.

                            Originally posted by LawnMM View Post

                            There's probably 10x the number of Kilo 2000s in the wild as the ConX. I had an older Bushy LRF, it was decent for the money...at the time, the Kilos are way better. The hyperscan feature is amazing.

                            This is the first place I've seen someone speak positively about the ConX. Seen plenty of people bitching about Bluetooth connectivity issues. Crappy ballistics software that displays drop but no wind hold, etc.

                            You'll find negatives everywhere. Where are the people complaining about the 2200s? I've not seen that yet. $1150 is supposed to be a bargain? I'd steer guys towards a Kilo 2400 for that kind of money, they're selling in the high 12s and low 13s and it's one device instead of two with all the same features and a better LRF.
                            Last edited by ironsight1000yard; 05-14-2017, 01:11 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LawnMM View Post

                              There's probably 10x the number of Kilo 2000s in the wild as the ConX. I had an older Bushy LRF, it was decent for the money...at the time, the Kilos are way better. The hyperscan feature is amazing.

                              This is the first place I've seen someone speak positively about the ConX. Seen plenty of people bitching about Bluetooth connectivity issues. Crappy ballistics software that displays drop but no wind hold, etc.
                              .
                              As BangBangBlatBlat said the Conx works really well, I have never shot that many Deer in a month let alone in two days. The problems arise when people try to connect it the way they want instead of the correct way, It Also scans really well which I guess is the same as what Sig call their Hyperscan.

                              With the Conx there is nothing to Brag about because it does Everything that Bushnell says it can apart from it Ranges on those Items a lot further and it is like holding a Hi Tech Terrapin or a G7, and you hold it like you would a pair of Binoculars which is the most natural position to our hands. being able to range to a Mile +/- is a huge bonus and I don't see the point in Shooting past that, Yes it is good to do it for a bit of fun, And if a person actually needs to range beyond that then buy a different model made for the job, yes it will cost quite a few $000 Dollars and that also depends on how often a person is going to shoot that far whether it is worth the extra cost involved but the first step up the ladder is the G7 but at around $1800 and then that takes you into the Vectronix range of products or the Divorce Courts, Lol.

                              If a person does not shoot beyond a Mile then there is no point in buying an LRF that goes out to 4 or 5K unless it is just to look good at the firing range or you can't survive without owning the Bragging rights, That may sound a bit Harsh But it's True, It won't make anyone a better shooter, When I joined a Club there was one Guy who was the club hero sportin a $10,000 Dollar hand made Rifle and mine cost $450.00, Needless to say I took the next two comps from him and have the medals to prove it, But to make light of it all, Shooting is a bit like sex it's not what you got it's how you use it,

                              Shooting out to fantasy distances needs extreme prep and planning, Because I know of a Horrific Accident that happened when someone tried that, And if someone buys an LRF that can go that far it won't be long before they or one of their mates come up with the Idea of giving it a go,

                              Shooting has changed a lot this past 20+ years or so, People would put a Target up out as far as they dare, then they started putting them up as far as they can see with the naked eye, Now they put them up as far as they can see with a Spotting Scope, And now I guess those new Laser guided Bullets will become the next phase at unheard of Ranges, who knows ?

                              There was a time when 3 to 500 yards was the safest Hunting Range but with modern Ballistics and Scopes etc those distances have gone beyond 1k, I wish we could travel back in time with some of these new gadgets and see the look on peoples faces, I wonder what Ol Carlos would think of them, Bless Him.

                              Any of these LRF's will work well except one particular model, Like I said before I went with the Bushnell Conx because it leaves nothing to chance when I use or pair it with any one piece of my Kit, There is only one thing I need now and that is a Night Scope that can hang with the Range of the Conx then my Kit would be complete.

                              John.
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                              • #16
                                There is one thing that not many people seem to know about the Bushnell Conx and that in November 2016 The Conx Won The innovation of the year Award for 2016. At Guns and Ammo Magazine.

                                http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/...4192kq0n0bs2fa

                                John.
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                                • #17
                                  ConX owners how is the glass?
                                  "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                                  "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by 5RWill View Post
                                    ConX owners how is the glass?
                                    I would say it is up there with the best, it seems to be as good as my Leupold Tactical BX-2 Binos, In fact I tend to leave the binos at home now and use the Conx for glassing and it is almost half the weight of the BX-2 T's.

                                    John.
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                                    • #19
                                      That's great to hear. Interestingly enough there aren't that many reviews out there on it. Ranging animals to 1000yds and under it does well? That's essentially all i'm looking for. I mean don't get me wrong i wouldn't mind putting steel out to 1200 or so. My PRF would range pivots at nearly 1350yds despite it's rating for 1200. Thing was amazing, didn't have all the software and gizmos i'm now seeing in range finders but purely on a ranging perspective it was great.
                                      "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                                      "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by 5RWill View Post
                                        That's great to hear. Interestingly enough there aren't that many reviews out there on it. Ranging animals to 1000yds and under it does well? That's essentially all i'm looking for. I mean don't get me wrong i wouldn't mind putting steel out to 1200 or so. My PRF would range pivots at nearly 1350yds despite it's rating for 1200. Thing was amazing, didn't have all the software and gizmos i'm now seeing in range finders but purely on a ranging perspective it was great.
                                        Well a couple of weeks back I was zapping domestic sheep with it at 877 yards and above, That was in very bright sunlight, the mirage was one of the worst I have seen, it was almost like Mist, But still it hit them every time and under the same conditions I zapped a Tree at 1381 yards and an old stone Church at 1485 yards, That being the worst conditions I have used any optics in and it still managed to hit those ranges every time then I have little doubts it will do it all day everyday and under perfect conditions it will go a lot further,

                                        I don't know why many other have not come forward with their results, But to be honest I have always wanted either a Terrapin but most of all the G7 But for the ranges up to a mile +/- I don't think I would have one of the others now, I still find it hard to believe that it can do all that and be stuffed into such a small package and the finish / Quality will put a smile on ya face.

                                        hope this helps.

                                        John.
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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by BangBangBlatBlat View Post
                                          I bought my Bushnell range finder off of Promotive. The mil-discount is very nice, and made it the best deal I could find on a range finder.

                                          I haven't paired it up with a Kestrell yet. I want to get the AB Elite version eventually. However there are two very simple work arounds, that I think might be better.

                                          I use the AB Mobile App on my phone. I take the come-up data off of that and put it into the CONX program, and then my data is spot on at distance. And it's stored in the rangefinder, So I don't need to have my phone on me, Or a Kestrel. If I can range it, I can shoot it.

                                          The other work around is to just use the app as intended. Zero your rifle at 100 yards, and shoot it on paper out to a good distance, get good data, and then plug it into the rangefinder. No ballistic truing or altering BCs of bullets or any of that junk.

                                          I shot 6 deer in two days in part because of the rangefinder. My time between spotting game and shooting is very good. The furthest deer was just over 700 yards.

                                          I also used mine at Mammoth this year, which was absolutely brutal. It didn't have a single issue and it never got above 10 degrees. I was happy with it. It worked better than I did at that temp.
                                          Do you know if you can get the promotive/expertcity price + the 25% mail in rebate?
                                          The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
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                                          • #22
                                            Here is a Video of what Guns and Ammo had to say about it and you can see how fast it is along with how fast it sends and receives the info to and from the phone.

                                            John.

                                            http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-t...e-rangefinder/
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                                            • #23
                                              I was going going to buy the Kilo 2000 a year ago, but the reliability/QC issues scared me off. Sounds like the 2200 may be hit or miss too. My buddy has a 1 mile Arc and it kept up with a PLRF to about 1760 off a truck and water tank. This thread hepled in the decision as a well. Thanks to Bushnell's rebate I have a CONX/Kestrel combo on the way where the range finder ended up being practically free. The other option was the 2400, but it is more than 2x and I'd rather have the kestrel w/AB over the whetherflow.
                                              Last edited by .30kal; 05-19-2017, 06:33 PM.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by .30kal View Post
                                                I was going going to buy the Kilo 2000 a year ago, but the reliability/QC issues scared me off. Sounds like the 2200 may be hit or miss too. My buddy has a 1 mile Arc and it kept up with a PLRF to about 1760 off a truck and water tank. This thread hepled in the decision as a well. Thanks to Bushnell's rebate I have a CONX/Kestrel combo on the way where the range finder ended up being practically free. The other option was the 2400, but it is more than 2x and I'd rather have the kestrel w/AB over the whetherflow.
                                                Congrats on your new Toys, The Design and the colour of the ConX reminds me of the Terrapin and it is a good solid piece of kit, This is about the only major forum where there are some great posts about it.

                                                I am waiting for the weather to clean up so I can go and do some Tripod testing with it, off hand I have zapped things just on a Mile in adverse condition where the humidity haze was brutal with changing light conditions with the sun over head and it returned the range on everything I Zapped so I might try some targets at sundown and see what happens.

                                                Anyway good luck and have fun.

                                                John.
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                                                • #25
                                                  kilo 2400..

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