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  • KAC-Refurbished AN/PVS-30 from USNV

    Bringing this over from the old SH. Let me know if linking to the old site is bad or verboten.

    http://www.scout.com/military/sniper...v?s=541&page=1

    Got mine yesterday and it had a FOM of 1981 which is a bit on the above average side of what others have been getting.

    Messed around and clipped it on when it got dark onto a Mk12Mod1 with the Nightforce 2.5-10x24 on it and with just ambient light, I was looking at a house that's up on a hill away from me at around 700 yards clear as it would be during daytime. Zero distortion, zero lack of focus.

    Wanted to see how the 10x would be as a baseline and was going to try up to 25x tonight, but overall I'm very impressed. Comparing it to an Armasite Co-X that refused to turn on and when it did it would shudder like a bad old TV after 5-6 uses until it just outright died, the 30 shows you what real equipment looks and feels like.
    10. Panzerdivision - 23. Gebirgsjäger 'Bayern'
    Hammelburg 1999
    {KFOR} Veteran 1999 - 2001
    TF 51/236 Afghanistan

    MRAD Masterrace

  • #51
    Originally posted by TheGerman View Post
    I can see all of you in the dark.
    Only the ones who don't know how to hide from NV. Find some thermal and and you will see there is no place to HIDE. LOL

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Night Assassin View Post

      Only the ones who don't know how to hide from NV. Find some thermal and and you will see there is no place to HIDE. LOL
      From my experience, if you shoot the ones you can see through NV, the ones hiding usually start running around.
      10. Panzerdivision - 23. Gebirgsjäger 'Bayern'
      Hammelburg 1999
      {KFOR} Veteran 1999 - 2001
      TF 51/236 Afghanistan

      MRAD Masterrace

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      • #53
        Finally got mine in the mail last night, looks new and fom 199X. I cant tell if its a 0, 3 or maybe an 8 or 9 for the last number. Hope it warms up quick.

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        • #54
          My FOM looks to be 2041 but the exterior looks like it flopped around in a dumptruck for a month or two... Will get it out to the range and see what we see...

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          • #55
            Got to run mine over the weekend, used it on my Tikka CTR in a KRG chassis and a AMG scope as well as my MK12 Mod 0 w/ the NF 2.5-10X32. The NF setup shifted my POI down 2-3 inches but the 6.5creedmore was spot on. I did have to move my NF scope back to accept the NV so that is probably the reason for the shift. Other than being heavy as hell its a great tool, hoping to be able to find a place to use it this summer. My old Marine roomate has property access in OK (5000 acres) so it should be fun.

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            • #56
              Just received mine today. Just played with it in the back yard. I'm very impressed. Get it to the range Sunday evening.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by 6172crew! View Post
                Got to run mine over the weekend, used it on my Tikka CTR in a KRG chassis and a AMG scope as well as my MK12 Mod 0 w/ the NF 2.5-10X32. The NF setup shifted my POI down 2-3 inches but the 6.5creedmore was spot on. I did have to move my NF scope back to accept the NV so that is probably the reason for the shift. Other than being heavy as hell its a great tool, hoping to be able to find a place to use it this summer. My old Marine roomate has property access in OK (5000 acres) so it should be fun.
                I have this weird theory (and maybe somewhere its already made obvious, but I've never heard of it) that the more off center the center of the optic is to the center of the clip on is what shifts your zero.

                I'm saying this because with my Mk12Mod1 that has a 2.5-10x24 on it in the issue ARMS rings, it did the same thing and you can tell it sits a bit high for the clip on. For my MRAD where the scope is almost perfectly in line with it, no offset.
                10. Panzerdivision - 23. Gebirgsjäger 'Bayern'
                Hammelburg 1999
                {KFOR} Veteran 1999 - 2001
                TF 51/236 Afghanistan

                MRAD Masterrace

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                • #58
                  Like you I have the ARMS rings (they are the newer style with the numbs but MED height with the NS2.5-10X32 so we are certainly in the same class of rifle. The tikka is running a 20moa 1.5inch spuhr mount. I assumed moving the NF back 2 positions caused the shift but I will try and take it out without the PVS and verify my dope soon. Snowed again last night and the wind has picked up in typical NM fashion so it might be awhile before I can get a good day for it.

                  One thing I did notice was focusing the NV was not a do it once and forget about it, the anvis6 I used when I was active duty flight crew were focused before takeoff and I never needed to adjust them for distance changes but I guess because this unit is magnified it needs to be adjusted. We were on top of a mesa that has a lot of open area and one side over looks the town of Los Alamos and I was playing around with finding a nice picture and found it isnt possible to adjust on the lights and then use at 100Y which is where our target was et at. Of course the Tikka has a scope that does have adjustments unlike the NF scope so you would need to adjust the reticle for distance/parallax unlike the NF which I have had a lot more time in front of the PVS.

                  I am trying to get as much time as I can behind the device so when the opportunity to use it comes up I understand it well enough to hunt pigs. Trying to talk my buddies into getting a setup right now. Need a thermal and a PVS14 setup and I still havent purchased a light, we are using a old ATN one that came on a buddies Gen1 scope. Either way we are having fun.

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                  • #59
                    Took the new toy out tonight. Cloudy a few stars. No IR illumination. Had it on a MK-12 Mod 1 with a loopy 2.5-8 . Shooting at 2/3 IPSC steel targets. 200 yard head shots no problem. Shot a nice centered sub moa 5-shot group at 400. No change in poa poi. Put it on a AR-10 260 and it shot as well but shot about .7 MIL high. Have a Bushnell DMR on the AR-10 and turned power up to 18 and it was usable but a little grainy.

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                    • #60
                      I'm going to go demo some of these this week. I've shot the PVS-30 before and it was amazing. I fell in love with it but since I have a budget I've been holding off, this may be coming home sooner than I had thought,

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                      • #61
                        i bought one from surgeon shooter had it for 3 month's or so the fom on it is 1790 don't know if that's good or not but it sure is bright and clear. i bought it as a as new unit and it looked new out of the box. i took it out to test it one night and it was a fairly dark night with lots of cloud cover i was using a actar set on 12 power on a ga 308. i started at 100 yards then 200,300,400 two shots each on steel never missed and all dead center. what was really cool you could see the hits on steel as they looked like little fireballs. i used it 3 times on yote hunts but never seen one to try it on. i did order a surefire with ir and white light but it hasn't came in yet to try it out. i just bought a military grade peq 15 with ir light ir pointer and visible lazer and mounted it on my m4. looking forward to trying it with the 30 but i need a partner to help with that one. i am very impressed and happy with mine and would highly recomend surgeon shooter as a source. the only thing i don't like about it is i cant reach the focus knob while looking through the scope its a 2 person deal unless you really have long arms but i guess you cant have everything.

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                        • #62
                          Thinking hard about one of these. Question to those of you you picked one up, are you happy with it? Would you buy it again or go with something else?

                          Thanks

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                          • #63
                            Originally posted by seven mm View Post
                            Thinking hard about one of these. Question to those of you you picked one up, are you happy with it? Would you buy it again or go with something else?

                            Thanks
                            depends on what you want it for. I have used it on papertargets, I dont have access to varmint infested property so I cant say if it will work well for that. It is pretty heavy but works as expected. I kinda wished I had picked up a PVS14 and a thermal. The reason I say that is pointing a rifle at something you want to see can be iffy on someones property with pets or livestock. As far as the optic goes, it works great but even on a semi-bright night you need a IR light to see well. I used the aircrew PVN set while I was active duty, I notice this rig is a little bit grainy compared but that probably has to do with the nightforce and S&B scope thats in front of the clipon.

                            If you have the $$ I say go for it, but seems like thermal might be the way to go if you are hunting with at night. I did get to look through a sightmark thermal last weekend, it was like looking at a TV camera and it was difficult to get a good sight picture with the tiny screen. Right now I am looking at backing this PVS up with a thermal monocular...pulsar or eotech maybe.

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                            • #64
                              I find mine works really well for fixed position bipod or tripod shooting. Due to its weight and the need to constantly focus, I find it cumbersome and it significantly changes the balance of my rifles . As previously mentioned, reaching the focus ring is a PITA.

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                              • #65
                                So many to try and make a decision. It all comes down to the budget. Thermal was my first choice and I will some day own the IR SNIPE. Wig is the man who set me straight. Good dude.

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                                • #66
                                  Originally posted by AZgeek View Post
                                  I find mine works really well for fixed position bipod or tripod shooting. Due to its weight and the need to constantly focus, I find it cumbersome and it significantly changes the balance of my rifles . As previously mentioned, reaching the focus ring is a PITA.
                                  So bottom line would you buy it again or look at something else? If you ran it on an ar10or 15 platform (collapsable stock) would the focus issue be less of a pita?

                                  I currently have a 14 and a couple good illuminators but would kind of like to try something to increase the range.

                                  Thanks for the replies so far.

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                                  • #67
                                    I held one of these last week - they are definitely solid built and weigh a ton lol!

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                                    • #68
                                      Originally posted by seven mm View Post

                                      So bottom line would you buy it again or look at something else? If you ran it on an ar10or 15 platform (collapsable stock) would the focus issue be less of a pita?

                                      I currently have a 14 and a couple good illuminators but would kind of like to try something to increase the range.

                                      Thanks for the replies so far.
                                      I am planing on swapping out my fixed stock for a adjustable for the main reason of being able to reach the focus ring. It is a stiff one and my arms aren't long enough to deal with it unless I break sight alignment. The bad thing is you cant really set it up for long distance and expect it to be focused at 50 or 100y.

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                                      • #69
                                        i use thermal alot. that said theres plenty that thermal cannot do. it just cannot replace a good night vision device especially a clip on. it has shortcomings that nv doesnt have. there are short comings for nv as well but i feel they out weigh thermal if you can only own one device.

                                        the pvs30 is a robust unit and my experience with it has been fantastic.

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by seven mm View Post

                                          So bottom line would you buy it again or look at something else? If you ran it on an ar10or 15 platform (collapsable stock) would the focus issue be less of a pita?

                                          I currently have a 14 and a couple good illuminators but would kind of like to try something to increase the range.

                                          Thanks for the replies so far.
                                          For its intended use yes I would buy again. Keep in mind the weapon system and use cases it was designed for - a medium to long range observation and sniping system. If you want to be fast, mobile and address targets up close, there are probably better options. I don't have practical hunting experience with this device as I found out they are not allowed for use in Arizona! The other guys here can provide better feedback along those lines.

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                                          • #71
                                            Forgot to mention that the PVS 30 seems to like a higher magnification scope with a larger front objectives. Throwing a 1-5x with a 24 mm objective produced mediocre results IMHO.

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                                            • #72
                                              Originally posted by AZgeek View Post
                                              Forgot to mention that the PVS 30 seems to like a higher magnification scope with a larger front objectives. Throwing a 1-5x with a 24 mm objective produced mediocre results IMHO.
                                              I agree, the NF 2.5-10X32 is grainy, the AMG was much better.

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                                              • #73
                                                Thank you to all of you for sharing your experience and information. I am going to give on a try.

                                                Regarding the fom, is there a noticable difference from say an 1800 to one that is 2000?

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                                                • #74
                                                  Originally posted by seven mm View Post
                                                  Thank you to all of you for sharing your experience and information. I am going to give on a try.

                                                  Regarding the fom, is there a noticable difference from say an 1800 to one that is 2000?
                                                  I paid a little extra for mine and got a really high fom but I don't have any way of comparing mine. My unit looks like new, but all of them are re-done at knigts so lenses are new, etc. At least thats what I was told when I bought mine from USNV. killswitch engaged might be able to help with that question.

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                                                  • #75
                                                    i have had a handful in hand with fom from 1850 -1980 and really cannot tell enough difference in the field in practical use to say one over the other. up in that fom area its splitting hairs in my experience.

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