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    CDIBBS

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    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/08/2014 Last edited 10/20/2014 by CDIBBS


    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    Surgeon action AIAX chassis
    130 Berger VLD
    41.3 gr H4350
    CCI 450
    Benchmark 8 twist almost truck axle contour

    ~2900 fps (need to chrono with new powder lot)

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    hillwatcherXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014

    I copied a good bit of the load data from the previous thread before the switch. Hope it helps.

    As always, use at your own caution and work up.


    6.5x47 Lapua Load Data



    130gr JLK, 41.7gr H4350, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.850", 2925fps from my 26" 8-twist Hart
    107gr SMK, 39.3gr RL-15, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.750", 3000fps from my 21" 9-twist Kreiger

    My load - 40.4 H4350, 140 vld @2830 27" 8tw McGowen
    My dad's load- 39.5 R17, 140 Vld @2820 27" 8tw McGowen



    130 vld and Varget. Find your node between 36.5 and 37.5 grains.



    43 grains 4350
    27.5" Brux
    fed 205
    velocity is 3017
    130 VLD



    40.7gr of H4350
    CCI 450
    130 VLD
    Velocity is 2866 fps out of a 26" Bartlein 5R.



    6.5x47 Lapua
    Hart 1-8 25 inch
    Berger 140LRBT
    RL17, 205m, 41.2grs, 2977 FPS



    123gr Nosler CC
    38.4gr Varget
    Wolf SM primer
    2920 FPS out of a 22" Brux



    123gr Scenar/130 vld
    37.4 grains of RE15
    BR4 primers
    2930 fps-26" Kreiger SS



    Lapua Brass with necks cleaned up
    140 Berger Hybrid
    CCI 450
    37.6 grains of Varget



    I settled on 41.3 grains of H-4350 with Berger 130 Berger VLD Match and Remington 7.5 Primer and Lapua Brass.



    136 scenar
    39.9gr VV N550
    205M
    2850fps



    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    Krieger 1:8 22 inch
    140 gr. A-max
    38.5 gr. RL17
    CCI std. sm R
    .020 off lands
    2730 fps



    130 Nosler AccuBond
    41.5 gr RE-17
    CCI 450
    .010" Jump
    2850 FPS



    140 gr. Hornady Match BTHP
    36.0 gr. Varget
    CCI SR primer
    2656 fps. avg.
    Krieger 22” 1:8.5
    1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

    140 gr. Hornady AMax
    38.5 gr. Reloader 17
    CCI SR primer
    2673 fps avg.
    Krieger 22” 1:8.5
    1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

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    phxfaXFirst Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014


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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/15/2014


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    SlimLRXPrivate
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/15/2014 Last edited 10/15/2014 by SlimLR

    6.5x47
    Rem 700(trued)
    27", Shilen, 1 in 8" twist, Heavy Palma
    AI Chassis
    139 scenar
    39.8gr H4350
    Wolf SRM
    Touching lands, base to ogive 2.175"
    2760 fps
    ES 11 fps
    Consistent .4" groups (5-shot groups)
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    pinzmannXGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/19/2014

    My load
    123gr Lapua Scenars.
    Lapua brass
    37.0gr of Reloader 15
    CCI 450 primers
    OAL. 2.690
    Getting 2875 fps
    Now with the weather cooling off, I probably up the weight a few tenths.

    Brass life is 40 plus. Actually never have worn out any brass like loose pockets.
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    mrsnorkel99

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014


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    shooterdm

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014

    140gr Berger BTLR
    38.7 gr h4350
    CCI 450
    CBTO 2.010
    2608fps
    im shooting this load out to 1500 so far with good results just not that much power left working on going to 1mile
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    mrbigoneXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014


    lapua brass

    cci 450

    39 grs RL15

    123 scenars 2.720 OAL

    8 twist bartlien at 28.25 inches scooting along at 3075 fps,,

    4 inch round AR500 is in the 80+% hit rate at 800 yards



    shooting less than 2 inch 5 shot groups at 600 also when the wind isnt to bad,,



    the 123 Lapua is head and shoulders better than the 130 Berger in my rifle,,



    good luck and long live the Lapua rounds,,

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    bulletpusher1XGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/25/2014

    What freebore you fellas running with the 130vlds.
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/26/2014

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    shooterdm

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/28/2014




    ---------------------------------------------
    --- Boxcar77 wrote:

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    Were did you find this
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/28/2014




    ---------------------------------------------
    --- shooterdm wrote:




    ---------------------------------------------
    --- Boxcar77 wrote:

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    Were did you find this

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    I stand corrected the article is written by Zak Smith.

    Link to article: www.6mmbr.com/gunweek084.html
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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/03/2014

    Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/03/2014 Last edited 11/03/2014 by Boxcar77


    My loaded necks are .289 so I'm using a .288 bushing. YMMV though



    I have 300 pieces of Lapua brass all the same lot number and loaded neck is very consistant at .289 to .2895. Other lot numbers may vary in thickness.

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    SHTF22XDuplicate ID
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014


    40gr. H4350, 140gr. Berger Hybrid, CCI 450 primer

    This load bugholes out of my 27in. Bartlein barrel... I don't have excess to a Chrono yet although...

    41gr- 41.5gr. H4350 is a bugholer also, just find your barrels best .1 increment within that window and you will be happy....

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    mrbigoneXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014


    I use the 288 with Berger bullets but gonna switch to 289 with the 123 Scenars as they seem to be a little fatter than the Bergers,,

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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014

    I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014 Last edited 11/05/2014 by JBMdc

    Has anyone noticed anything different between CCI 400, 450m and BR4? Are you guys able to get low SD numbers using the 400s, 450s, vs BR4s?

  • #26
    Originally posted by phxfa View Post

    Varget will get you there,,,38.0 @.020 off shot silly,,,2915fps IIRC
    That's the backup plan as a buddy of mine on here shoots that exact load almost. I just am straying away from varget cause 2-3 of our rifles currently use it.
    "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

    "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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    • #27
      I've posted this elsewhere too, but seems like it may be a good fit here.

      Occurred to me that since the 147gr ELDs are such heavy for caliber bullets that maybe a slower than normal burning powder might work well. Turned out to be so. Here's 10 shots from my 6.5x47 with 7828ssc. Didn't chrono this particular charge, but 41.2gr clocked about 2715. I suspect these will run about 2740.

      John

      Last edited by Hondo64d; 07-29-2017, 11:55 PM.

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      • #28
        Originally posted by Hondo64d View Post
        I've posted this elsewhere too, but seems like it may be a good fit here.

        Occurred to me that since the 147gr ELDs are such heavy for caliber bullets that maybe a slower than normal burning powder might work well. Turned out to be so. Here's 10 shots from my 6.5x47 with 7828ssc. Didn't chrono this particular charge, but 41.2gr clocked about 2715. I suspect these will run about 2740.

        John

        Very interesting what's your barrel length?

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        • #29
          26"

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          • #30
            I saw a couple guys in here with 21-22"barrels. Anybody running a 18-20 incher with 120-130 grain bullets?

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            • #31
              Originally posted by mj1995 View Post
              I saw a couple guys in here with 21-22"barrels. Anybody running a 18-20 incher with 120-130 grain bullets?
              I have no first hand experience with the shorter barrels, but I've seen post from people with 18-20 in barrels with pretty good results. I would think with the 120-130 class pills it would be fine especially with something like varget behind it vs H4350

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              • #32
                My match loads,

                140 Berger Hybrid
                37.4 grains Varget
                cci 41 primer
                2.075" to ogive
                2786 fps, 24" barrel
                about 1.5" vertical at 600 yards


                130 Berger Hybrid
                36.6 grains H4895
                cci br4 primer
                2.085" to ogive
                ~2850 fps, 24" barrel
                less than 1" vertical at 600 yards

                my practice load is the similar to the first. Change the 140 Hybrid to the 140 Barnes Matchburner and seat 2.085" to the ogive.

                My rifle:
                Defiance Deviant SA, nitrided
                24" HH Marksman w/ Impact brake
                KMW Sentinel
                Timney Calvin Elite




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                • #33
                  Originally posted by Bull81 View Post

                  Give varget a try as well, depending on what bullet you choose you'll have a little more room for seating. I have really good results out of the 140 RDF's and varget. The RDF's like to jump and with 4350 it was a very compressed load resulting in inconsistent seating depths.
                  I am also running H4350 under a 140 RDF and you have to use a drop tube in order to reduce the amount of compression/ seating depth inconsistencies.

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                  • #34
                    Anyone tried RL16 yet? I'm thinking once i run out of 4166 i might try some, but i'm also sitting on 16lbs of varget.
                    "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                    "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                    • #35
                      Originally posted by 5RWill View Post
                      Anyone tried RL16 yet? I'm thinking once i run out of 4166 i might try some, but i'm also sitting on 16lbs of varget.
                      i can't comment on the RL16 but I've had excellent results with varget. I started using varget instead of 4350 when I switched over the the 140 RDF's. 37.5 gr of varget gives me 2760 fps single digit SD's and groups in the .2's

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                      • #36
                        Originally posted by Bull81 View Post

                        i can't comment on the RL16 but I've had excellent results with varget. I started using varget instead of 4350 when I switched over the the 140 RDF's. 37.5 gr of varget gives me 2760 fps single digit SD's and groups in the .2's
                        We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.
                        "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                        "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                        • #37
                          Originally posted by 5RWill View Post

                          We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.
                          I've run up to 38 gr without any pressure signs but accuracy fell off the higher I went. 37.5 is actually a fairly mild load in my rifle. You should be able to reach 2900 fps pretty easy with the 130's as for the 140's I'd say that be a far reach. I'm running a 24 in barrel and with 40.5 gr of H4350 was getting 2890 fps with the 130 vdl's. I havnt tried any 130's with varget though.

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                          • #38
                            Originally posted by 5RWill View Post

                            We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.
                            If speed is of big importance to you I was able to get 3000 fps with the 130 vdl's with reloder 17. I can't remember the charge weight off the top of my head but I did have a hint of hard bolt lift but just a hint. The only problem with reloder 17 is it's so temp sensitive. I had great accuracy with various loads using reloder 17 but moved on because of the temp issues

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                            • #39
                              Originally posted by Bull81 View Post

                              If speed is of big importance to you I was able to get 3000 fps with the 130 vdl's with reloder 17. I can't remember the charge weight off the top of my head but I did have a hint of hard bolt lift but just a hint. The only problem with reloder 17 is it's so temp sensitive. I had great accuracy with various loads using reloder 17 but moved on because of the temp issues
                              It's of some importance but not to the point i'd be willing to switch to a temp insensitive powder.
                              "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                              "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                              • #40
                                anyone here got data or tried the 108 scenar or 107 matchking, the matchking G7.230 form factor .954. Hodgon lists max loads around 39g of varget for the 107 matchking and 3100fps, I run this through JBM and it looks very promising. Ive got 123 scenars and as I understand the 108 scenar is the exact same shape with less lead so I could load them to the same length.
                                Last edited by pitdog85; 06-03-2017, 07:53 AM.

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                                • #41
                                  More results from 7828ssc. I'm finding this powder to be a very viable option in the x47 with 140gr and heavier bullets. My rifle has a .167 freebore which puts a 140gr hybrid far enough up the neck when touching the lands to leave plenty enough room for a slower burning powder. Results are in the attached picture. Good accuracy and good SDs. These are five shot groups. Haven't even played with seating depth yet. Also going to try 42.4gr.



                                  Have also tried it with the 147gr ELDs and got pretty good velocity (2740) and decent accuracy. That's a ten shot group.



                                  John
                                  Last edited by Hondo64d; 07-30-2017, 12:02 AM.

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                                  • #42
                                    6.5 x 47 Lapua
                                    Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
                                    140gr RDF
                                    Lapua 2 x Fired Case
                                    40.9 gr H4350
                                    CCI 450 Primer
                                    .030 off lands
                                    2795fps (Magneto)

                                    6.5 x 47 Lapua
                                    Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
                                    130gr Berger Hybrid
                                    Lapua 2 x Fired Case
                                    41.9 gr H4350
                                    CCI 450 Primer
                                    .020 off lands
                                    2911fps (Magneto)

                                    6.5 x 47 Lapua
                                    Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
                                    130gr JLK
                                    ​​​​​​​Lapua 2x Fired Case
                                    42.3 gr H4350
                                    CCI 450 Primer
                                    .020 off lands
                                    2921fps (Magneto)




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                                    • #43
                                      Anyone have any load data using Varget shooting 123 grain Matchkings? What kind of MV are you getting?

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                                      • #44
                                        anybody tried the 147 ELD-M and if so with what powders and are you able to get 2750 fps with a 27.5 inch bbl,,,,if I cant get to 2750 accurately I will just stick with what I am shooting now,,,
                                        thanx
                                        you never met a

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                                        • #45
                                          Originally posted by mrbig View Post
                                          anybody tried the 147 ELD-M and if so with what powders and are you able to get 2750 fps with a 27.5 inch bbl,,,,if I cant get to 2750 accurately I will just stick with what I am shooting now,,,
                                          thanx
                                          See my post above too. From my 26" Criterion barrel, I got 2750 with H4350 but that load was too hot, showing some ejector hole marks. 7828ssc gave me 2740 with no pressure signs and I probably could have upped the charge a little. I'm thinking 4831sc would work well with the 147s too.

                                          John
                                          Last edited by Hondo64d; 07-30-2017, 12:03 AM.

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                                          • #46
                                            Originally posted by Hondo64d View Post

                                            See my post above too. From my 26" Criterion barrel, I got 2750 with H4350 but that load was too hot, showing some ejector hole marks. 7828ssc gave me 2740 with no pressure signs and I probably could have upped the charge a little. I'm thinking 4831sc would work well with the 147s too.

                                            John
                                            So, a buddy of mine tried 4831sc behind 147gr ELDs from his x47 with very poor results. Velocities were extremely slow. He ran out of case capacity before getting to even 2500fps. This was from a 24" Bartlein. Not sure why 7828ssc has worked so much better for me in my x47. 4831sc and 7828ssc are not very far apart in the burn rate charts. It is possible that my lot of 7828ssc is just abnormally fast burning, as it gives much higher than expected velocities from my son's .270.

                                            Anyway, it appears that 4831sc is a no-go in the x47 case.

                                            John

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                                            • #47
                                              I tried the 142 Nosler LRAB and RL19 a couple days ago,,I only did pressure tests to find what the max charge would be and if in fact I could get enough RL19 in the 47L case to get a max charge,,,all while checking for speed with the Magnetospeed V2 ,,

                                              I shot 2 shots per charge starting at 43 grs and worked up .5 at a time and with a 12" drop tube and a slow pour was able to get 45 grs RL19 in the case to the bottom of the neck and 45 grs RL19 with the 142 LRAB clocked 2912 and 2915 for the 2 shots,,,,I think that is enough good news to buy a box of the 147s and see if I can get any kind of accuracy from them and make enough speed for them to be worthwhile,,

                                              there are lots of powders now days between H4350 and RL22 to try and there very well could be something that will make use of these 147s in the 47mm Lapua case,,
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                                              • #48
                                                Hondo I'm still keen to give the 4831sc a try in my 47. Is anyone here mathematically inclined want to have a go at how much 4831sc I could fit in using 140 RDF overall length 1.420, my freebore is .250. If I seated these out to the lands they should be around 2.9 COAL. But I have seen people back calculate how much powder you could get in based on these variables but I'm not very math inclined anyone wanna have a guess?

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                                                • #49
                                                  If gambeling I would set the over under at 45.2 grs using a drop tube and a slow swirl pour,,,if dumping from a measure 43.5

                                                  I didnt have any trouble getting 45 grs of RL19 in and not have any up in the neck,,,but my brass is one of the old lots of Gold Box
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                                                  • #50
                                                    37gr Varget behind 140gr Berger Hybrid seated at lands. 2778fps from my 26" Criterion barrel. 4 shots at 830 yards. 3.5" group.

                                                    John

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