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    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/08/2014 Last edited 10/20/2014 by CDIBBS


    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    Surgeon action AIAX chassis
    130 Berger VLD
    41.3 gr H4350
    CCI 450
    Benchmark 8 twist almost truck axle contour

    ~2900 fps (need to chrono with new powder lot)

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    hillwatcherXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014

    I copied a good bit of the load data from the previous thread before the switch. Hope it helps.

    As always, use at your own caution and work up.


    6.5x47 Lapua Load Data



    130gr JLK, 41.7gr H4350, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.850", 2925fps from my 26" 8-twist Hart
    107gr SMK, 39.3gr RL-15, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.750", 3000fps from my 21" 9-twist Kreiger

    My load - 40.4 H4350, 140 vld @2830 27" 8tw McGowen
    My dad's load- 39.5 R17, 140 Vld @2820 27" 8tw McGowen



    130 vld and Varget. Find your node between 36.5 and 37.5 grains.



    43 grains 4350
    27.5" Brux
    fed 205
    velocity is 3017
    130 VLD



    40.7gr of H4350
    CCI 450
    130 VLD
    Velocity is 2866 fps out of a 26" Bartlein 5R.



    6.5x47 Lapua
    Hart 1-8 25 inch
    Berger 140LRBT
    RL17, 205m, 41.2grs, 2977 FPS



    123gr Nosler CC
    38.4gr Varget
    Wolf SM primer
    2920 FPS out of a 22" Brux



    123gr Scenar/130 vld
    37.4 grains of RE15
    BR4 primers
    2930 fps-26" Kreiger SS



    Lapua Brass with necks cleaned up
    140 Berger Hybrid
    CCI 450
    37.6 grains of Varget



    I settled on 41.3 grains of H-4350 with Berger 130 Berger VLD Match and Remington 7.5 Primer and Lapua Brass.



    136 scenar
    39.9gr VV N550
    205M
    2850fps



    6.5 x 47 Lapua
    Krieger 1:8 22 inch
    140 gr. A-max
    38.5 gr. RL17
    CCI std. sm R
    .020 off lands
    2730 fps



    130 Nosler AccuBond
    41.5 gr RE-17
    CCI 450
    .010" Jump
    2850 FPS



    140 gr. Hornady Match BTHP
    36.0 gr. Varget
    CCI SR primer
    2656 fps. avg.
    Krieger 22” 1:8.5
    1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

    140 gr. Hornady AMax
    38.5 gr. Reloader 17
    CCI SR primer
    2673 fps avg.
    Krieger 22” 1:8.5
    1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

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    phxfaXFirst Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/14/2014


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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/15/2014


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    SlimLRXPrivate
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/15/2014 Last edited 10/15/2014 by SlimLR

    6.5x47
    Rem 700(trued)
    27", Shilen, 1 in 8" twist, Heavy Palma
    AI Chassis
    139 scenar
    39.8gr H4350
    Wolf SRM
    Touching lands, base to ogive 2.175"
    2760 fps
    ES 11 fps
    Consistent .4" groups (5-shot groups)
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    pinzmannXGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/19/2014

    My load
    123gr Lapua Scenars.
    Lapua brass
    37.0gr of Reloader 15
    CCI 450 primers
    OAL. 2.690
    Getting 2875 fps
    Now with the weather cooling off, I probably up the weight a few tenths.

    Brass life is 40 plus. Actually never have worn out any brass like loose pockets.
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    mrsnorkel99

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014


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    shooterdm

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014

    140gr Berger BTLR
    38.7 gr h4350
    CCI 450
    CBTO 2.010
    2608fps
    im shooting this load out to 1500 so far with good results just not that much power left working on going to 1mile
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    mrbigoneXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/20/2014


    lapua brass

    cci 450

    39 grs RL15

    123 scenars 2.720 OAL

    8 twist bartlien at 28.25 inches scooting along at 3075 fps,,

    4 inch round AR500 is in the 80+% hit rate at 800 yards



    shooting less than 2 inch 5 shot groups at 600 also when the wind isnt to bad,,



    the 123 Lapua is head and shoulders better than the 130 Berger in my rifle,,



    good luck and long live the Lapua rounds,,

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    bulletpusher1XGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/25/2014

    What freebore you fellas running with the 130vlds.
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/26/2014

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    shooterdm

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/28/2014




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    --- Boxcar77 wrote:

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    Were did you find this
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    10/28/2014




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    --- shooterdm wrote:




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    --- Boxcar77 wrote:

    Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
    Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
    Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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    Were did you find this

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    I stand corrected the article is written by Zak Smith.

    Link to article: www.6mmbr.com/gunweek084.html
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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/03/2014

    Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
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    Boxcar77

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/03/2014 Last edited 11/03/2014 by Boxcar77


    My loaded necks are .289 so I'm using a .288 bushing. YMMV though



    I have 300 pieces of Lapua brass all the same lot number and loaded neck is very consistant at .289 to .2895. Other lot numbers may vary in thickness.

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    SHTF22XDuplicate ID
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014


    40gr. H4350, 140gr. Berger Hybrid, CCI 450 primer

    This load bugholes out of my 27in. Bartlein barrel... I don't have excess to a Chrono yet although...

    41gr- 41.5gr. H4350 is a bugholer also, just find your barrels best .1 increment within that window and you will be happy....

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    mrbigoneXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014


    I use the 288 with Berger bullets but gonna switch to 289 with the 123 Scenars as they seem to be a little fatter than the Bergers,,

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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014

    I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
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    JBMdc

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/05/2014 Last edited 11/05/2014 by JBMdc

    Has anyone noticed anything different between CCI 400, 450m and BR4? Are you guys able to get low SD numbers using the 400s, 450s, vs BR4s?

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/06/2014


    I am shooting 39 grs RL15 and 123 Scenars,,have tried all 3 primers you listed and seem to get better results at 800-1000 yards with tthe 450 magnum primers,,I have not spent many rounds across chronie just checked a few after deciding on the load,,sometimes I will let a chronie talk me into using a load that doesnt shoot as well as another ,,



    8 twist 28.25 inch 5R Bartlien with Lapua brass,CCI 450 primers 39 grs RL15 123 Scenars loaded to 2.720 with .020 jump shoots lights out and with 300 yard zero takes 7 minutes to zero at 600,13.5 at 800 and 21.25 at 1000

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    SigMarineXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/07/2014

    Looking for a little help with a load for a 6.5x47 Lapua with 108 Scenars. I realize that there are better bullets at the heavier weights but we have a shoot that has a weight limit. Barrel is a 26" Bartlein, 8 twist.

    Any help is greatly appreciated...Sig Marine
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/07/2014

    I havent tried the 108 but have some and plan on it ,,I have shot some 100 NBT with IMR8208 and was getting 3200 fps and very good accuracy at 100 yards,,I never tried it any further but it shot the most impressive looking groups at 100 yards I have seen from this rifle,,

    I started at 36 grs and worked up and finally just quit at 38.5 as the accuracy was unreal and 3200 seemed fast enough,,
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    SHTF22XDuplicate ID
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/07/2014

    JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
    I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.
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    mrbigoneXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/08/2014


    worked up 108 Scenar with IMR8208XBR today at 100 yards,,started at 35 as I cant find any data at all,,groups were around .75 CTC for 5 shots,started coming in at 37 and at 38.5 was tight clusters .275 CTC,,loaded 5 more and measured .305,



    start low and work up

    Lapua brass 1.840

    CCI 450 primers

    38.5 IMR 8208 XBR

    108 Scenars 2.725 OAL



    did not chronie and did not hit any pressure signs at 38.5,,accuracy was good and never even tried 39 grs,,have 20 loaded at 38.5 to try tomorrow at 600 and 800 yards,

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    Painless300

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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/10/2014




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    --- SHTF22 wrote:
    JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
    I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.

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    What causes the burnt powder marks? this happens to me very infrequently with my reloads in my 300 win mag. I use the Rediding dies with bushings.
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    SHTF22XDuplicate ID
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/10/2014


    The first thing I thought of off the top of my head was that the neck was sized to small and didn't seal the neck chamber area right.. We'll see when I use this larger bushing I guess..

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    bulletpusher1XGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/16/2014

    Would like to know if any of you fellas have tried xbr8208 with the 123 scenars or 130vlds.Some say varget works so I was thinking why not the 8208.
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    SigMarineXSergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    11/17/2014

    mrbigone wrote:
    worked up 108 Scenar with IMR8208XBR today at 100 yards,,started at 35 as I cant find any data at all,,groups were around .75 CTC for 5 shots,started coming in at 37 and at 38.5 was tight clusters .275 CTC,,loaded 5 more and measured .305,



    start low and work up

    Lapua brass 1.840

    CCI 450 primers

    38.5 IMR 8208 XBR

    108 Scenars 2.725 OAL



    did not chronie and did not hit any pressure signs at 38.5,,accuracy was good and never even tried 39 grs,,have 20 loaded at 38.5 to try tomorrow at 600 and 800 yards,
    Thanks for the start. Let us know how they shoot at mid-range distances.
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    midgetoramaXGunny Sergeant
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    Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
    12/15/2014


    Anyone have sub-sonic loads for the 6.5x47?



    Thanks.

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      12/17/2014


      Anybody have info on the following two bullets:



      130 Swift Scirocco

      129 Nosler AccuBond Long Range

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      Pack51479XGunny Sergeant
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      12/20/2014


      123 Scenars

      38.5 grs of Reloader 15

      2911 fps out of my 26" Bartlein



      I am aggravated that the newest (9th) edition of Hornady's Reloading Manual doesn't even list the 6.5x47. I wanted to see what they had for the 140 amax loads. I have lots of Reloader 15 and a few pounds of Reloader 17.

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      12/24/2014

      123 Scenars jumped .005" in 8-twist Barelein 26". Wider nodes with Power Pro 2000MR than RL15. Using 41.5gr I get 3050fps, and 3" group at 1000 yd for two 3-shot groups.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      12/26/2014




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      --- Pack51479 wrote:

      123 Scenars

      38.5 grs of Reloader 15

      2911 fps out of my 26" Bartlein



      I am aggravated that the newest (9th) edition of Hornady's Reloading Manual doesn't even list the 6.5x47. I wanted to see what they had for the 140 amax loads. I have lots of Reloader 15 and a few pounds of Reloader 17.



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      Sadly the only book I have seen that lists the 6.5x47 is the Berger book. If you know of any more that do I would like to add them to my collection.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      12/30/2014


      Living in the People's Republik of Kalifornia I have to use unleaded... Has anyone tried the 100 grain Barnes TTSX? If so I would appreciate powder and starting point for loads... Thanks!!!

      Outlawlineman

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/03/2015


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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/03/2015

      Painless300 wrote:


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      --- SHTF22 wrote:
      JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
      I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.

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      What causes the burnt powder marks? this happens to me very infrequently with my reloads in my 300 win mag. I use the Rediding dies with bushings.
      Generally this means insufficient neck tension or necks need annealing.
      If you think about sequence of events then you want the neck to release and seal against chamber behind launching bullet, if bullet launches before seal is formed then you get sooty necks from insufficient tension.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/04/2015 Last edited 01/04/2015 by myownman


      6.5X47 LAPUA/24"

      40.5gr H4350

      140 HYBRIDS

      -.010 off here is a 5 shot group

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/15/2015


      Any data on the 123 Amax and R15?

      Im trying 38g of R15 out of a 24in Brux and Thunderbeast suppressor. Any ideas on MV? Should be close to the scenars I assume

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      CDIBBS

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/17/2015

      6.5 x 47 Lapua
      Benchmark 8 twist barrel @ 25" not counting Schuler brake
      42.2 gr RL 17
      CCI 450
      123 Amax
      ~.002 Neck Tension

      Rifle/Ammo @ 70 degrees 3090 Ave MV for 5 shots, ES 18 SD 7

      Softball size hole in coyote @ 375 and pretty resounding POP @ impact.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/19/2015


      Does anyone have any good load data for the 95gr Hornady V-Max ? I'm thinking about starting out with about 40gr of Varget, chrono it & see how it goes. Thoughts? Thanks, jl

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      01/21/2015


      Lapua Brass

      CCI 450 Primer

      Reloader 17 41.0 grains

      140 A-Max

      23" Criterion Barrel

      2880 FPS



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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/12/2015

      Has anyone given hybrid 100 V a shot? I have a bunch of it, may give it a whirl.
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      Pack51479XGunny Sergeant
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/15/2015

      Anyone using Reloader 15 for 140 amax's? I am getting amazing velocities with Reloader 17 but inconsistent groups. My rifle shoots 123 Scenars really well with Reloader 15 so I am hoping to find a good load with it as well.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/17/2015




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      --- Mordamer wrote:

      Lapua Brass

      CCI 450 Primer

      Reloader 17 41.0 grains

      140 A-Max

      23" Criterion Barrel

      2880 FPS





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      How are you liking the Criterion? How is accuracy? Is it on a rem 700?
      Close to ordering one for my 700 in 6.5x47
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/18/2015


      About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?



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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/19/2015




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      --- Pack51479 wrote:

      Anyone using Reloader 15 for 140 amax's? I am getting amazing velocities with Reloader 17 but inconsistent groups. My rifle shoots 123 Scenars really well with Reloader 15 so I am hoping to find a good load with it as well.

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      Found the load. I was seating the bullets too deep. Adjusted OAL to 2.7" and dropped the charge and nearly every charge was grouping well. Went with 39.3 grains of RL17 and was getting 2836 fps. Shooting a 26" Bartlein barrel suppressed with a Thunder Beast 30BA.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      02/19/2015

      This is the thread from the old board.

      forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=189209
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/02/2015


      I was wondering if anyone was using the hornady match grade dies?

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/02/2015

      All my dies are Redding but I would think Hornady dies would be fine.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/02/2015


      The only problem I have run into is the seating stem. I have the amax seating stem and when I put a 140gr Berger hybrid in it, it seems to hit the tip first before fully seating in the stem. The 140gr amax seems to seat fine. Just wondering if anyone has had this problem.

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/07/2015

      Does anyone have a starting charge weight with the new IMR4166 and 130VLD's? I know the powder has a similar burn rate to Varget, but that doesn't mean the pressures the same.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/11/2015


      I run 39.4 g of h4350 behind my 123amx in 21.75" bartlein and get great accuracy and somewhere in the mid 2900's. RL15 is a touch faster and don' need as much somewhere in the 37.4-.6 range. I'd start at 36.8 and work ladder up from there.

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/13/2015

      JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
      I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.

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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/13/2015




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      --- MMAJunkie wrote:
      JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
      I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.



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      Remove the expander or keep reducing the diameter. Best to just remove it though.
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/18/2015

      MMAJunkie wrote:
      JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
      I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.
      Yeah you need to remove the expander ball. By using the expander ball, you are negating the self centering neck you get by using the bushing die. There should be another depriming pin holder in your die box to replace the expander ball with.
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      03/19/2015

      MMAJunkie wrote:
      JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
      I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.
      My thinking on this process is that the neck bushing does little for neck tension when using the large expander ball. Even though you are making the neck .288 on the outside, the expander ball is going to create it's own diameter inside the neck thus changing your outside dimension. The way to compensate for this is to change the diameter of the expander ball to the diameter/tension you want the INSIDE of the neck to be. The way to do this would to purchase an expander ball kit from Whidden Gun Works and use it in conjunction with the appropriate neck sizing bushing to attain the desired neck tension. Others change out the expander ball to the small one provided with the dies and then use only the neck bushing to set tension.

      Link: Whidden Gunworks Expander Ball Kit
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      Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
      03/26/2015

      Painless300 wrote:
      About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?

      I haven't personally used IMR 4350, but have heard of satisfactory results using approximately one grain less than the same load using H4350. IMR is probably a little more temperature sensitive. Give it a try, and post your results!
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        03/31/2015

        CDIBBS wrote:
        Painless300 wrote:
        About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?

        I haven't personally used IMR 4350, but have heard of satisfactory results using approximately one grain less than the same load using H4350. IMR is probably a little more temperature sensitive. Give it a try, and post your results!
        I really appreciate the info. Ill work up a load and post it.


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        Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
        04/17/2015 Last edited 04/17/2015 by 308struggles

        Trued rem 700
        Criterion "Remage" 28 inch bull contour
        37.8 H4350
        140 Berger Hybrids .003" off the lands
        2.176" to Ogive using the Hornady tool
        CCI 450's
        2720 fps using a V3 Magnetospeed
        Shoots amazing, around .2 MOA. Never thought I'd own a rifle this accurate.
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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          05/04/2015


          I haven't tried the IMR 4350 with my 6.5X47 yet, but I'm using 40.5gr H4350 140 Hybrids. It also likes 37.5gr varget. With my 7-08, both 4350's use the same load. I wouldn't hesitate using the IMR with the 6.5 lapua.

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          photo 20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg Surgeon 591, 24" Benchmark 1:8, 36.0 Varget, CCI 400 (want to try 450s), 140 Hybrids .015 jump 2700fps with ES of 11 fps across all 15 shots on this target.

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          06/06/2015

          Nice groups!
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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          06/10/2015 Last edited 06/10/2015 by blakheaven

          Nice targets JMBdc, with wholes punched and like the shape and inch grid squares, where do you get these targets?
          Going to start developing a load with Lapua Brass(once fired only neck sizing)
          Br4 primers,
          130 gr Berger VLD
          RL 15
          my question is anyone have experience with a similar load w the 130 vld and RL 15?
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          06/10/2015

          blakheaven wrote: Nice targets JMBdc, with wholes punched and like the shape and inch grid squares, where do you get these targets?
          Going to start developing a load with Lapua Brass(once fired only neck sizing)
          Br4 primers,
          130 gr Berger VLD
          RL 15
          my question is anyone have experience with a similar load w the 130 vld and RL 15?
          If you can find them I would change out the 130 VLD for the 130 AR Hybrids. They seem very promising.

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          06/16/2015

          JBMdc wrote:
          photo 20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg Surgeon 591, 24" Benchmark 1:8, 36.0 Varget, CCI 400 (want to try 450s), 140 Hybrids .015 jump 2700fps with ES of 11 fps across all 15 shots on this target.
          Not sure what happened, but my barrel has shown some signs of improvement.

          Velocity dropped to 2690 fps with ES averaging 7fps. A little slower than I wanted, but the ES and down range performance has been great. Just hit 299 rounds, so the barrel could speed up a bit. Will have to wait and see.

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          07/06/2015

          Just worked up a load for a switch-barrel build and any doubts I had about the ability of a chassis or mini-chassis to compete in accuracy with a bedded rifle are gone. I did the load work up on the 26" Bartlein 6.5x47L barrel with a Bighorn TL2 in a Manners mini-chassis and tested this past weekend. Not the fastest load, but damn it's accurate with 100 yard 5-shot groups of 3/8" and 300 yard groups of 1".

          40.9 gr H4350
          CCI 450 primers
          Berger 140 Hybrids seated .005 off the lands
          2783 fps
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          07/21/2015


          Has anyone tried the 130 hybrids yet? Going to load some this weekend. Should I use my same 130 vld load or work up again?

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          07/23/2015




          ---------------------------------------------
          --- oakfig wrote:


          Has anyone tried the 130 hybrids yet? Going to load some this weekend. Should I use my same 130 vld load or work up again?



          ---------------------------------------------

          My load work up for 130gr hybrid is here:mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=541&f=5514&t=13843922

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          07/24/2015


          Looks good! Thanks man! How far did you seat from the lans?

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          07/24/2015

          oakfig wrote:
          Looks good! Thanks man! How far did you seat from the lans?
          .008"

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          08/12/2015


          I just picked up a Savage barreled action with a Shilen 6.5x47 barrel on it. I haven't shot it yet, but have been doing some searching and came across this. I'm sure someone will find it useful. Not sure how it will post, but if you want the link, I found it here: accurateshooter.com/featured/65x47

          [IMG][/IMG]

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          08/29/2015


          My brother just loaded up some Berger 130 AR projectiles. I'll send him this link and he should post up what he got.

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          08/29/2015


          Just built a load using the Berger 130 AR Hybrids
          20" Kreiger
          CCI BR-4
          39g Varget
          jumping .0025
          2833 fps - ES 6
          Shoots very well al the way out to 1250 yds

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          09/02/2015

          Thats some pretty decent velocity out of a 20 inch barrel.
          Painless300 wrote:
          Just built a load using the Berger 130 AR Hybrids
          20" Kreiger
          CCI BR-4
          39g Varget
          jumping .0025
          2833 fps - ES 6
          Shoots very well al the way out to 1250 yds
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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          09/04/2015


          I'm getting one built using a Broughton 1:8 barrel. Focusing on 123 and 130 gr bullets. I have Varget and can get H4350. Are both good for these weight bullets, or is one better than the other?

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          Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
          09/06/2015


          Criterion 26" 1:8. 123 scenars over 36.4 of Varget and 130 hybrids over 40 grns of h4350 are my best loads. Both run 2830 Fps. Picked up some imr 4350 today. Gonna give it a try since h4350 is getting hard to find.

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            09/07/2015


            Thanks oak fig. I'd like to stay with Varget, since I use it for my 308. That's only if there's minimal difference between it and H4350. Just keeping it simple.

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            09/12/2015

            I wanted my gun to shoot Varget too for the same reason, I couldn't get it to group at all for me on my 24 inch AX and 140's. It sucks because on my cousins 20 inch AXMC and 140's it hammers with 38 grains. So far H4350 seems to group better in a side by side ladder test at 325. I will post pictures in the reloading section for a more professional analysis.
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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            09/21/2015 Last edited 09/21/2015 by JBMdc

            Jake65mm wrote: I wanted my gun to shoot Varget too for the same reason, I couldn't get it to group at all for me on my 24 inch AX and 140's. It sucks because on my cousins 20 inch AXMC and 140's it hammers with 38 grains. So far H4350 seems to group better in a side by side ladder test at 325. I will post pictures in the reloading section for a more professional analysis.
            That is crazy, never heard of a x47 that wouldn't group well with Varget. My 300y ladder test was with 35.8-37.4 and printed a verticle of about 1.25" top to bottom of the test. I now attempt all ladder tests at 600y.



            BTW an update from my last posting of velocity for my load.



            CCI 400

            36.0 Varget

            140 Hybrid .015" jump

            3735fps

            24" Benchmark

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            09/22/2015

            JBMdc wrote:
            CCI 400

            36.0 Varget

            140 Hybrid .015" jump

            3735fps

            24" Benchmark


            3735fps w. only 36gr of Varget!!!! Wow, got to love that barrel

            Assuming you are at 2735...

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            09/22/2015

            jbailey1 wrote:
            JBMdc wrote:
            CCI 400

            36.0 Varget

            140 Hybrid .015" jump

            3735fps

            24" Benchmark


            3735fps w. only 36gr of Varget!!!! Wow, got to love that barrel

            Assuming you are at 2735...
            MagnetoSpeed hasn't lied to me yet But I think I will be switching to 130 hybrids.

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            10/19/2015

            Seating depth testing with 130 Berger AR Hybrids at 300 yards.
            I was using 41 grains of H4350, top left was -.005, top right -.010
            bottom left -.015 and left -.020, out of frame was -.025 and the group shifted and opened up. Winds were tricky, 15-20 with 30 mph gusts coming from ~7:30, I tried to shoot when it wasn't gusting, dots are 2"


            I am thinking between .010 and .015 may be the place to be.
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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            11/02/2015

            nilescoyote wrote: Seating depth testing with 130 Berger AR Hybrids at 300 yards.
            I was using 41 grains of H4350, top left was -.005, top right -.010
            bottom left -.015 and left -.020, out of frame was -.025 and the group shifted and opened up. Winds were tricky, 15-20 with 30 mph gusts coming from ~7:30, I tried to shoot when it wasn't gusting, dots are 2"


            I am thinking between .010 and .015 may be the place to be.
            What barrel length and velocity? I had pressure at 37.9 Varget today running 2900 fps from 24" benchmark.

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            11/12/2015


            108 Scenar

            Lapua Brass

            CC450 small rifle magnum primer

            36.4gr ARComp

            2.720" COAL

            2947fps out of 20" barrel





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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            12/11/2015


            Shot these at 100 Yards. No Chrony data yet, but even at 37.5 grains, no signs of pressure.

            Shilen 22" 1:8 Twist Pre Fit

            6.5x47 Lapua

            Virgin Brass

            Varget

            2.132" CBTO

            130 Berger Hybrids

            CCI 450 Primers

            Top Targets: 35.2, 35.4, 35.6, 35.8, 36.0 All 5 Round Groups

            Bottom Targets: 36.3, 36.6, 36.9, 37.2, and 37.5 All 4 Round Groups



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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            12/30/2015 Last edited 01/18/2017 by Barney88PDC
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            Lapua Brass
            CCI 450
            140 Berger Hybrid 2.780" OAL
            Varget 37.3

            2780 fps

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            01/01/2016


            Bartlien medium palma 28"

            123 Amax

            37.5gr Varget

            seated .012

            2900fps

            .4 5 shot group

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            01/22/2016


            Reddding makes a BLACK pin retainer that holds the decapping pin and doesn't drag thru the neck. My Redding dies did not have these, and I recently obtained a couple from customer service. Send them a email or give them a call and they will fix you up.

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            Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
            01/24/2016 Last edited 01/24/2016 by nilescoyote

            JBMdc wrote: What barrel length and velocity? I had pressure at 37.9 Varget today running 2900 fps from 24" benchmark.
            41 grains gave 2862 sd-12/es-33 for 5 and 42 grains gave 2921 sd-6/es-12 for 4 shots.

            I had been using cci400 primers but popped a few in the Ruger Precision Rifle (bolt is not bushed) and retested those with thicker cupped CCI #41's with no issues. However, it was about 20 degrees cooler by the time I retested them.

            Barrel is a 26" masterpiece chambered by Patriot Valley Arms.



            My 140 Hybrid load using H4350 is running 2774



            I have also used 139L and 140 a-max which all seem to shoot well in the 40.3-40.8 weight range

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              02/13/2016


              Tag

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              03/09/2016


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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              03/13/2016


              39.0 Varget
              130gr Hybrid
              2.121" base to ogive
              Converted Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor cases, trim to spec, 0.002 neck tension.
              210M primers

              Got me my best 5 shot group of my life, 0.411 at 100 yards.

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/03/2016 Last edited 04/08/2016 by washington121


              Trued 700
              Broughton 26'' barrel
              2.073 to ogive
              Cci 450
              42.2 grains of h-4350
              2971 fps
              130 vld
              Will confirm in another 100 rounds of that is where the velocity will stay

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/04/2016

              What bullet?

              John
              washington121 wrote:
              Trued 700
              Broughton 26'' barrel
              2.073 to ogive
              Cci 450
              42.2 grains of h-4350
              2971 fps
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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/08/2016


              130 vld edited my previous post

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/11/2016 Last edited 04/11/2016 by CavReconScout


              Timed & trued Stevens 200
              Criterion 26" varmint barrel
              Berger 130 AR Hybrid
              CCI 450
              41.7grs H4350
              .015 off the lands, just over 200 rds on the barrel
              2967fps with new Lapua brass
              2937 fps with once fired

              Last 4 rounds of the day @ 400yds

              [IMG][/IMG]

              5 shots @ 100yds

              [IMG][/IMG]

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/12/2016


              Factory DTA barrel, 8.5 twist 26", plenty of freebore.
              130 berger ar hybrid
              42.2 h4350
              2.753 coal - roughly .020" jump
              CCI br4.
              2923 fps w/ Single digit 5 shot string ES

              This same charge of 42.2 h4350 shoots great if you swap in cci 450s and/or 130 hunting vlds (2.783 coal to get same jump). Br4s seem to add 10 fps and tighten velocity extreme spreads from low teens to single digits.

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              04/23/2016


              Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              05/01/2016 Last edited 05/01/2016 by cottonant


              6.5x47 Lapua

              Defiance Deviant in a McMillan A5

              Bartlein 8 twist 26" Heavy Palma

              140 Berger Hybrid Seated +.005

              41.0 H4350

              CCI450

              COAL 2.812 (Ogive = 2.118)



              2805 fps (started out at 2755; chronographed 2805 fps at 187 rounds)



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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              05/04/2016

              26" Hawk Hill, chambered with the SAC match reamer:

              140 Hybrid @ 2.775" COAL, ~.025" jump

              IMR4451:

              39.3 - 2715fps
              39.6 - 2745fps
              39.9 - 2755fps
              40.2 - 2795fps - no ejector mark or stiff bolt, but starting to crater primer pretty good, a dead give away of a max sane load in this gun.

              All shoot well (2" 12-shoot group of a hodgepodge combination these test loads @ 600 yards) but 39.9 is best; ~2" vertical @ 900 yards.
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              05/05/2016


              Anybody try the Sierra 130 HPBT? I'm thinking about trying some.

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              05/07/2016


              41.3 grains H4350
              130 g Berger hybrid
              2855 15 shot average across a magneto speed, SD of 16, ES of 38 from a 22" barrel. Still working with primer testing to get the numbers down.

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              Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
              05/10/2016


              Ran this load over the weekend at a club match to 990ish yards with good success.



              24" Benchmark 1:8 barrel with silencer (if that matters not sure)

              130 Hybrids

              37gr Varget

              CCI 450

              2852fps Average over 10 shots

              ES of 9

              SD of 4.3

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                05/16/2016 Last edited 05/23/2016 by SHbdubb


                Just a reference for speeds as no solid group data or ES/SD data has been recorded yet. I have just been running these loads for barrel break in during a few club matches. Not break-in procedures as mentioned all over the place, but just getting it past 200 rounds to get beyond the point that the barrel tends to speed up on some rifles. I'll do load development when time allows and post up more info then.



                232 rounds down the barrel



                26" Bartlein 1:8
                130 Hybrids
                Loaded to .001 off the lands
                BR4 Primers
                Unfired brass
                Varget Powder



                37.1gn = 2844 fps

                38.3gn = 2942 fps

                39.0gn = 2995 fps



                **edit** added the 39.0gn velocity





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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                05/30/2016


                Anyone running the 143gr eld-x bullets?

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                06/27/2016 Last edited 06/28/2016 by 317millhand


                Hornady 140 ELD m
                KP 8 twist barrel 23"
                40.6 gr H4350
                2818 fps with SD of 6.
                .010 off the lands
                2.742 COAL

                TBAC Ultra 9 suppressor

                This load hammers in my rifle

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                06/27/2016


                Hey 317,



                what primer?

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                06/28/2016 Last edited 06/28/2016 by 317millhand

                pizfiz wrote:

                Hey 317,

                what primer?
                I tested FGMM (gm205m) primers and CCI br4. Did not change my numbers or accuracy any.

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                06/28/2016


                Cool. Thanks!

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                09/09/2016

                CDIBBS wrote:

                6.5 x 47 Lapua
                Surgeon action AIAX chassis
                130 Berger VLD
                41.3 gr H4350
                CCI 450
                Benchmark 8 twist almost truck axle contour
                ~2900 fps (need to chrono with new powder lot)
                I shoot this same charge, primer and bullet out of a 25" Mullerworks and cannot touch that speed. It shoots 1/2"-3/4" at 200 but not nearly as fast. Any thoughts as to why?

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                09/25/2016 Last edited 09/25/2016 by Hondo64d


                My load development consist of a mix of the ladder and OCW methods. I load and shoot three of each charge at the same POA at 500 yards. I then mark the center of each group and the charges that fall closest together are noted as my accuracy node. I typically load .4gr between each charge. Makes it easy to split the difference between charges when I find the node.



                Anyway, I used this procedure for my 6.5x47 recently, with 130gr VLDs lightly kissing the lands, Varget and CCI 450s. I observed that all six shots from 37.4 and 37.8gr went into about 2" at 500 yards. That looked good to me, so I loaded up a bunch of 37.6gr and the result is below, also 500 yards. 26" Criterion barrel.









                Did the same procedure using H4350 and 140gr ELDs. Loaded 40gr, 40.4gr, 40.8gr and 41.2gr. The first three charges put all nine shots into about 3" at 500 yards. I'm going to load up 40.4gr and call it good.



                John

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                10/07/2016


                Started my load development for my new 6.5x47.
                Hornady 140 ELD-M
                IMR 4451
                CCI 450 primers
                OAL at ogive 2.111" which is .015" off the lands

                Rifle is a bighorn action, 24" krieger Remington varmint built by John Beanland, and running a silencerco specwar. Has 174 rounds through it now

                I loaded up 4 at each charge shot 1 of each to check velocity and for pressure then shot 3 shot groups at 200 at each charge.

                38.9 2690fps .188" group on centers

                39.3 2741fps ( I had 1 bullet that I accidentally seated deep so used that for velocity instead of group, might explain the jump in velocity) 1.058" group on centers. ( I had 2 into .213" centers, last shot the guy next to me shot his 300 mag right as I was breaking and I feel that I pulled the shot, might just be an excuse)

                39.7 2726fps .6" centers
                40.1 2759fps 1.06" centers
                40.5 2794fps .823" centers
                40.9 2823fps 1.838"
                41.3 2832fps 1.482"
                41.5 2834fps .246"
                41.8 2877fps 1.13"

                I had 1 very very light ejector mark at 40.9, and 41.3. I had 2 very light ejector marks at 41.5, and all 4 had light marks at 41.8

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                10/17/2016

                5RWill wrote:

                Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?
                Can anyone even get Norma 130grn?

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                10/20/2016 Last edited 10/20/2016 by JM4590
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                5 Shot group @ 100 Yds

                24" Bartlein Med Palma

                Surgeon action

                MPA chassis

                Jewell trigger

                NF ATACR

                41.5 Grn H4350 / 130 Grn Berger VLD Target / Lapua Brass / CCI 450 Primer / 40 shots through barrel at this point. MV=2876 SD =8 Magneto Spd

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                12/17/2016 Last edited 12/17/2016 by BallisticPrimate


                6.5x47.
                Surgeon 591
                26" Shilen Rem Varmint

                Sierra 142 SMK
                Lapua Brass (1 x fired)
                41 Grn H4350
                CCI 450

                2824fps - SD: 5. ES: 10 - Magneto Speed.

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                12/22/2016


                FYI.........the Hodgdon/IMR website now lists loads for 6.5X47 Lapua.

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                12/28/2016 Last edited 12/28/2016 by TSU99


                Lefty Tikka action
                Bartlien Remington varmint 24" 8 twist
                Manners T6A stock
                Lapua brass
                CCI 450 primers
                36 grains varget
                Hornady 143 ELD x
                2.115 base to ogive
                4 shot groups in the .2's

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                12/31/2016 Last edited 12/31/2016 by 5RWill


                Tempest Action in T4A Mini-chassis

                Bartlein heavy palma finished at 24" 1:8 barreled by LRI with .123 freebore

                Norma Golden target 130gr BTHP

                Fed 205m

                36gr IMR 4166

                10 thousandths off the lands



                2778fps

                5 Shots at 100yds



                I ran it like varget up to 37gr which i now realize is well above max. Seeing guys run as much as 39gr is the hodgon data conservative or is that just a specific scenario?

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                Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                12/31/2016


                I've run Varget with 130gr bullets past 38gr with no pressure, 140's at 37.4 is my current load. Right at 2800fps. This is with a .167 freebore and a 26in barrel
                130 Hybrids with 38gr Varget is right at 2900fps and it hammers also

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                  5RWill

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                  Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                  01/01/2017


                  Nice! I have marks on my brass but it looks like extractor swipe, looks nothing like any ejector or plunger mark i've ever seen. Granted it's the tempest and my first custom.

                  I had been loading on my balance beam all this time and 36 on that measured 36.2 on both my chargemaster and my gempro. So probably will change it to 36.2gr, maybe reshoot 36.5 and 37. I got sloppy after i shot the group above because i figured i'd found it.

                  Wish they would add IMR 4166 and 4155 to the 6.5x47L data on their site.

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                  Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                  01/01/2017 Last edited 01/09/2017 by 5RWill

                  JM4590 wrote:
                  5RWill wrote:

                  Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?
                  Can anyone even get Norma 130grn?
                  JM, i actually received an email yesterday or so for the 500ct coming back in stock at midway. So while i think there is a wait, you can definitely get them. I plan on going to the 130gr AR Hybrid which is what i told chad i would shoot. Plus it can run dual purpose from what i've seen the hybrid line has become a fantastic line of hunting bullets.

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                  Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                  01/08/2017


                  6.5x47 Nimrod AS.H
                  25" Lothar Walther barrel
                  130gr JLK
                  Unfired Lapua Brass
                  41.7 Grn H4350
                  CCI 450
                  2.82 OAL
                  2862fps - SD: 6. ES: 13 - Magneto Speed.

                  Duplicate above specs but with 42.3 Grn H4350
                  =2912fps - SD: 8. ES:17

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                  Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
                  01/12/2017


                  I just picked up a pound of H414 to try in my 6.5x47 and 22-250. Anyone tried it in the 6.5x47? How did it do for you?

                  Thanks,

                  John

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                  • #10
                    Tagging in, got a 6.5x47 being built as we speak...

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                    • #11
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                      • #12
                        tag.. whats i you OAL for 140 berger hybrids??

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                        • #13
                          6.5x47 Lapua
                          24" krieger 1 in 8 twist suppressed
                          lapua brass shoulder bumped back .002
                          cci br-4 primers
                          40.5 gr H4350
                          140 Hybrids kissing the lands
                          2762 fps ES 8 SD 5.6
                          .275 five rounds

                          Same rifle as above
                          42.2 gr H4350
                          130 VDL's kissing the lands
                          2873 fps ES 9 SD 3.1
                          .301 five rounds


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                          • #14
                            I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by *Tavman* View Post
                              I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?
                              Give varget a try as well, depending on what bullet you choose you'll have a little more room for seating. I have really good results out of the 140 RDF's and varget. The RDF's like to jump and with 4350 it was a very compressed load resulting in inconsistent seating depths.

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                              • #16
                                37.2-37.5 of Varget for 140 Hybrids, RDF's have more bearing surface though, I'd start at lower charge

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                                • #17
                                  I've run up to 37.8 gr of varget with no pressure signs on the 140 RDF's but my accuracy load is 37.5. Your mileage may vary. I havnt run the hybrids with varget so I can't comment their but the above statement is true about the RDF's having more bearing surface though so you'll get higher pressures faster

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by *Tavman* View Post
                                    I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?
                                    I run 4451 in my 6x47L with 105's. Its a great shooter. 4451 = varget, but it shoots a bit dirtier imho.

                                    In my 6.5x47L I am running Varget behind Berger 130 H-vld's @ 2975. I tried H4350, but it compresses a bit much and has less speed. You will run into pressure a small bit quicker with 4451 in a 6.5 over H4350 shooting 140's.

                                    If your rifle is not chambered yet, you may think about a creedmoor again so you can run the ELD 147's. They seat pretty deep in the 47 cases tho, so I chose speed over running the heavies. With lapua brass out now, they will pressure up nicely. You could also run RL 16 if you chose a creed. Just throwing a few ideas out there for ya.

                                    I normally run only vld's in my 47's so there is less compression. Varget/4451 will work with both the 130 and 140 bullets.

                                    If you get your gun and still need a place to start, I can load up a few tester cases to give you an idea of speeds. I would first decide on what bullet you would like to shoot. As stated above, bearing surface will play a part in pressure.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by wilson1911 View Post

                                      I run 4451 in my 6x47L with 105's. Its a great shooter. 4451 = varget, but it shoots a bit dirtier imho.

                                      In my 6.5x47L I am running Varget behind Berger 130 H-vld's @ 2975. I tried H4350, but it compresses a bit much and has less speed. You will run into pressure a small bit quicker with 4451 in a 6.5 over H4350 shooting 140's.

                                      If your rifle is not chambered yet, you may think about a creedmoor again so you can run the ELD 147's. They seat pretty deep in the 47 cases tho, so I chose speed over running the heavies. With lapua brass out now, they will pressure up nicely. You could also run RL 16 if you chose a creed. Just throwing a few ideas out there for ya.

                                      I normally run only vld's in my 47's so there is less compression. Varget/4451 will work with both the 130 and 140 bullets.

                                      If you get your gun and still need a place to start, I can load up a few tester cases to give you an idea of speeds. I would first decide on what bullet you would like to shoot. As stated above, bearing surface will play a part in pressure.
                                      Thanks for the info, it is very helpful as I learn the ins and outs of precision loading. Loading .223 for 3 gun is a much simpler process

                                      I haven't invested much into the process at this point aside from a set of 6.5 creedmoor dies. I am leaning towards the 6.5x47 for the longer barrel and brass life. I can use whatever bullets work. I was curious about IMR 4451 as I have a bunch. I can try other powders for the 6.5x47 as long as it isn't H4350. I'm not even sure H4350 is real, as I've never seen it in real life.

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                                      • #20
                                        Be aware that with lapua making creed brass now, the 47's will not be so magical. If you worked your hornady brass, they were almost equal. If I had to choose a cartridge again, the creed makes a better argument over the 6.5x47L for 1 reason....powder selection. You have to watch like a hawk to find H4350 while RL16 is at the store in 8#'s.

                                        I ran some 4451 thru a creed I had. It took a bit more powder, but my SD was lower with H4350. The exception to this are the lapua 308 converts I was running, the 4451 ran well.

                                        I only shoot local matches, but there are some guys already running the 6 and 6.5 creeds on lapua brass. Both run very well. I live in a dominant 47's world here. It's track record speaks for itself. The creed is just the newer kid on the block.

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                                        • #21
                                          40.4gr H4350 and Cci 450 primer with 140 eld or 142smk both 60 thou off(long freebore) hammers at 2750 about 1" of elevation dispersion @ 300 and i blame some of that on lack of annealing or cleaning.

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                                          • #22
                                            Originally posted by wilson1911 View Post
                                            Be aware that with lapua making creed brass now, the 47's will not be so magical. If you worked your hornady brass, they were almost equal. If I had to choose a cartridge again, the creed makes a better argument over the 6.5x47L for 1 reason....powder selection. You have to watch like a hawk to find H4350 while RL16 is at the store in 8#'s.

                                            I ran some 4451 thru a creed I had. It took a bit more powder, but my SD was lower with H4350. The exception to this are the lapua 308 converts I was running, the 4451 ran well.

                                            I only shoot local matches, but there are some guys already running the 6 and 6.5 creeds on lapua brass. Both run very well. I live in a dominant 47's world here. It's track record speaks for itself. The creed is just the newer kid on the block.
                                            Are you trying to get people to stop buying 6.5x47L brass so you can get some? lol

                                            6.5x47L isn't going anywhere even with the introduction of Lapua 6.5CM brass. The cartridge is too damn efficient, too accurate, and already has a very well established reputation. It's always given up speed to the other 6.5s but it's brass life is still impeccable, even by Lapua standards.

                                            How does the creed make a better argument in regards to powder? I think that's completely subjective.
                                            "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                                            "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                                            • #23
                                              Not at all brother !!! lol

                                              Where I live the 47's dominate. They have been the best cartridge for years..and will continue to hold their own. I will say that I think they perform best with a slight compression. My varget load is just below getting compressed, but runs well. They are the workhorse of the 6 and 6.5 world.

                                              Much of it is what bullet you are wanting to shoot. Everyone I know runs H4350 in their 6.5's. This is the focus of that statement. You can't just walk into the store and pick up a few 1 or 8#'s of it. I was also thinking in the back of my mind the new 147's. I have several thousand of them, but decided to go for speed since they seat really deep. In the creed case, you can run 4451, 4350, rl 16, 4831sc with it. I have a new creed in the build barn and its going to get the 147's with RL16 I think. It will run 2800 on the new lapua brass.

                                              For the record, I own a 6x47 and 6.5x47. The 6.5 is my current match gun. They do not give up speed imho. Performance is subjective, but being able to buy powder is not. Stack it deep.

                                              SAC alpha II action
                                              Bartlein med palma 24" barrel-shot suppressed
                                              CBTO 2.118
                                              Berger H-VLD 130 running at 2940 fps. SD/ES 3/9
                                              38 grains Varget
                                              205mar primers

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                                              • #24
                                                Loaded up some groups with the 130gr hybrids and IMR 4166 from 36-37gr in 1/2gr increments. Thus far much more consistent than the Normas. I'm going to see if i can manage to push further as i haven't come across pressure signs yet and other than my fault with fliers 36 and 37 look pretty decent. I think i can tighten up 37gr. I hope i can get 2900fps this time around.

                                                "Combined synergy of a man and rifle is matchless, the steadiness of hand and acuity of vision, and finally the art of knowing how to make the rifle an extension of the body, all equate to the ultimate synthesis of man and machine."

                                                "Quidvis recte factum quamvis humile praeclarum"

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                                                • #25
                                                  Originally posted by 5RWill View Post
                                                  Loaded up some groups with the 130gr hybrids and IMR 4166 from 36-37gr in 1/2gr increments. Thus far much more consistent than the Normas. I'm going to see if i can manage to push further as i haven't come across pressure signs yet and other than my fault with fliers 36 and 37 look pretty decent. I think i can tighten up 37gr. I hope i can get 2900fps this time around.

                                                  Varget will get you there,,,38.0 @.020 off shot silly,,,2915fps IIRC

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