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  • Anyone tried the new Hornady 6.5 147 ELD-M vs 140 ELD-M

    So I noticed on the Hornady website that the 140g ELD-M is no longer offered, and now there appears to be a new (to me?) 147g ELD-M I'm assuming to replace it?

    Has anyone tried them yet and have a range report?

    Powder Valley shows them being the same price as the 140's so that's good.

    Guess I'd better order some and start some load development here pretty shortly.

  • #2
    I am working on a load for them as we speak. Ill post in a couple days how it is going.
    "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

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    • #3
      Perfect. I look forward to your review.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by todd View Post
        So I noticed on the Hornady website that the 140g ELD-M is no longer offered, and now there appears to be a new (to me?) 147g ELD-M I'm assuming to replace it?
        Huh? Hornady still has both the projectile, SKU 26331, and the loaded cartridge, SKU 81500, on their website.

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        • #5
          I've run a couple hundred of the 147s out of a 6.5 Creed at 2755 fps. I like them so far. I've tested them out to 1245 yes and the advertised G1 of .697 seems to be spot on.

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          • #6
            I've not shot these bullets yet....but damn...almost seems to good to be true. Looking forward to giving them a try.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheOE800 View Post

              Huh? Hornady still has both the projectile, SKU 26331, and the loaded cartridge, SKU 81500, on their website.
              Strange. The 140 ELD-M didn't populate the day when I was looking (which is what prompted this post). Now that you've mentioned it and I go back and look again, now it's there. Not sure.

              I shoot the 140 with great success, so I'm glad it's still available, however after looking at the 147 it does look intriguing and possibly worth a box to try to develop a load and see what it does in competition.
              Last edited by todd; 02-16-2017, 03:40 PM.

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              • #8
                It would be great if some people could post their barrel lengths and speeds with both the 140 and 147. That way the rest of us could see which bullet does better.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AMAC79 View Post
                  I've run a couple hundred of the 147s out of a 6.5 Creed at 2755 fps. I like them so far. I've tested them out to 1245 yes and the advertised G1 of .697 seems to be spot on.
                  Was that 2755 from factory or handloads? I was afraid that I'd lose a lot of speed like that due to the heavier projectile, and the performance would drop.
                  (My 140's are at 2870 <43.2g H4350 w/26" barrel>)

                  Based on that speed (2755), the 147 will require 0.2 MIL more elevation, but would be 0.1 better in the wind than my 140's at 2870 with a 5 mph 9 o'clock wind at 1K.
                  If I can get the 147's to 2800, it would be 0.1 less elevation instead, and still 0.1 better wind.
                  Last edited by todd; 02-16-2017, 03:41 PM.

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                  • #10
                    I tested some in a 6.5x47 just for giggles, hoping to use them in my saum. It shot well, but I think ultimately the 140's are going to out perform it It has a long bearing surface and it's really going to need more speed to hang. The initial BC is only accurate above the published speed. Plugging numbers into the Hornady 4DOF seems to give pretty good data.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by todd View Post

                      Was that 2755 from factory or handloads? I was afraid that I'd lose a lot of speed like that due to the heavier projectile, and the performance would drop.
                      (My 140's are at 2870 <43.2g H4350 w/26" barrel>)

                      Based on that speed (2755), the 147 will require 0.2 MIL more elevation, but would be 0.1 better in the wind than my 140's at 2870 with a 5 mph 9 o'clock wind at 1K.
                      If I can get the 147's to 2800, it would be 0.1 less elevation instead, and still 0.1 better wind.
                      Thats with handloads. That was with 42.4g H4350. I shot them again today with 42.6g H4350 for a MV of 2778 SD 4 ES 9. For reference, my 140 ELD load is the same charge weight and averages 2795 so I don't think you will lose much velocity. These are being shot out of a 26" Bartlein with 2,500 rounds on it. The high milage is probably the cause for the lower than avg MV not the bullet weight.

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                      • #12
                        I need to get into handloading; that's nearly 150fps more than I get out of the factory loaded 140gr ELD albeit with a 24" barrel.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheOE800 View Post
                          I need to get into handloading; that's nearly 150fps more than I get out of the factory loaded 140gr ELD albeit with a 24" barrel.
                          So you're only getting apx 2650fps with factory 140gr ELD with a 24" bbl???? Is it that much slower than the AMAX? I'm getting +-2705fps with factory AMAX with my 20" bbl.

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                          • #14
                            What are the advantages and disadvantages of going from the 140 to 147 eld-m in a 6.5cm bolt gun?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MPHReallyRightStuff View Post
                              What are the advantages and disadvantages of going from the 140 to 147 eld-m in a 6.5cm bolt gun?
                              That's the million dollar question on the table.

                              Ideally, the 147 ELD-M with its higher G1 BC of .697 vs the 140 ELD-M's G1 BC of .646 would mean that the 147's would perform better in the wind - meaning that the 147 would require less horizontal correction than the 140 in the exact same wind. The challenge we are facing is that the 147 is (obviously) heavier than the 140, and therefore would travel slower with the same powder charge than the 140, and slower speeds mean that the gains from the higher BC may be lost due to a slower round.

                              At least from what limited work I did the other day in JBM, it appears that at least in my gun the 147 should show a small improvement over the 140, IF the 147 is going at or faster than 2800 fps, it will need 0.1 less elevation to reach 1,000 yards, and it will need 0.1 MIL less wind correction in a 5 mph full-value crosswind at 1K than the 140 I'm currently using in my 6.5 Creedmore bolt gun.

                              0.1 doesn't sound like a lot of advantage, but in this game on the paper targets we (NorCal) shoots at 1K, that can mean the difference between a 9 and an X, or a complete miss and a 6. Those add up. Points matter.

                              Guys, if I've missed anything, jump on in.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by todd View Post

                                That's the million dollar question on the table.

                                Ideally, the 147 ELD-M with its higher G1 BC of .697 vs the 140 ELD-M's G1 BC of .646 would mean that the 147's would perform better in the wind - meaning that the 147 would require less horizontal correction than the 140 in the exact same wind. The challenge we are facing is that the 147 is (obviously) heavier than the 140, and therefore would travel slower with the same powder charge than the 140, and slower speeds mean that the gains from the higher BC may be lost due to a slower round.

                                At least from what limited work I did the other day in JBM, it appears that at least in my gun the 147 should show a small improvement over the 140, IF the 147 is going at or faster than 2800 fps, it will need 0.1 less elevation to reach 1,000 yards, and it will need 0.1 MIL less wind correction in a 5 mph full-value crosswind at 1K than the 140 I'm currently using in my 6.5 Creedmore bolt gun.

                                0.1 doesn't sound like a lot of advantage, but in this game on the paper targets we (NorCal) shoots at 1K, that can mean the difference between a 9 and an X, or a complete miss and a 6. Those add up. Points matter.

                                Guys, if I've missed anything, jump on in.
                                Okay thats along the lines of what i was understanding. If you pressure it up to the speed where it should be you may see pressure signs and you'll gain a little bit of recoil? Would i be right to state with simplicity in mind, if your not hand loading: the 140 eld-m would be better for target work and the 147 would be better for game due to more energy?

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                                • #17
                                  Well, no - We're all talking about the 140 ELD-M and 147 ELD-M (M for Match). These are both match-grade bullets that are not designed for hunting.

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                                  • #18
                                    A couple times a year I like to take the creed out to a mile. Have had some decent success when conditions are perfect. Looking forward to comparing the 140 and 147 at some extended ranges. I see the 147 having an advantage.
                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrLEQmMrRFw


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                                    • #19
                                      Those 147 ELDs sure look nice. When loaded to equal pressure, the higher BC bullet will always have the lower wind drift. There is a reason FTR shooters are shooting 200 and 215 gr bullets from their 308s, even though the MV is low. They simply drift less than lighter, faster bullets with lower BC. At least for static LR shooting, I cannot see a reason not to shoot the 147 ELD.

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                                      • #20
                                        Thanks for all the great info everyone!! Not to throw a wrench in the spokes and go off topic but I'm curious how the 143 eldx are flying as well. I'm not sure if this has been addressed before and apologize if it has for bringing it up again

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                                        • #21
                                          Originally posted by todd View Post

                                          Strange. The 140 ELD-M didn't populate the day when I was looking (which is what prompted this post). Now that you've mentioned it and I go back and look again, now it's there. Not sure.

                                          I shoot the 140 with great success, so I'm glad it's still available, however after looking at the 147 it does look intriguing and possibly worth a box to try to develop a load and see what it does in competition.
                                          The 140 ELD-M is not going anywhere and still available in bullet and loaded ammo. Nothing to be confused about. Not sure why you couldn't find them. Both are on the Hornady site.

                                          I have not shot the factory loaded 147s but have loaded them and they shoot very accurately in my 8 twist barrel. Definitely worth a try. In my 27" Creedmoor I load 43grns of H4350 behind both the 140 and 147 and get 2850 and 2825fps, respectively. With a decent barrel length the 147s can be shoot at good velocity from the 6.5 Creedmoor.
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                                          • #22
                                            Thanks Rob.

                                            Glad to hear the 140 isn't going anywhere. It's my go-to bullet.

                                            It was very strange indeed to go to the website and NOT see the 140's. I even re-loaded the website twice to make sure I hadn't missed something or messed something up accidentally. Good discussion on the 147 though. I'll still pick up a box and do some load development and see how it stacks up to the 140 for me.

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                                            • #23
                                              The 147s will probably give a lot of trouble to the AR10 6.5CM Guys since the barrels for these guns run an M4 barrel extension.

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                                              • #24
                                                Originally posted by todd View Post
                                                Thanks Rob.

                                                Glad to hear the 140 isn't going anywhere. It's my go-to bullet.

                                                It was very strange indeed to go to the website and NOT see the 140's. I even re-loaded the website twice to make sure I hadn't missed something or messed something up accidentally. Good discussion on the 147 though. I'll still pick up a box and do some load development and see how it stacks up to the 140 for me.
                                                What website are you talking about? It's always been on the Hornady site. The only think I can think of is maybe they were doing some editing when you looked but even then I don't think they would pull it.

                                                http://www.hornady.com/store/6.5mm-....-GR-ELD-Match/
                                                http://www.hornady.com/store/6.5-Cre...-gr-ELD-Match/
                                                www.teamblaster.net


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                                                • #25
                                                  Anyone got a box they wouldn't mind parting with ? 147s that is

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