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  • Desert Tech TRASOL Official Thread

    For those of you who don't know, I am crazy about extreme long range precision and I have been shooting beyond 2000 yards for 15 years and it has been a great journey. Before I started Desert Tech I could see that ballistics calculators really started to fall apart quickly beyond 1000 yards. In talking with real snipers who engage enemy targets at those distances, they have had to rely heavily on a quick follow-up shot, using the first shot to obtain accurate dope. It really bothered me that first round hit capability beyond 1000 yards was a rarity with available calculators. This irritation was like a sliver in my finger that I had to do something about. So, I went underground for the last three years testing and searching for the holy grail of ballistic computers. I was determined that I was going to do whatever it took to obtain my goals of predictable, first-round hits beyond 1000 yards. I have worked with a lot of great folks along the way. I got my hands on every ballistic calculator that I knew existed, talked to knowledgeable shooters around the world, and, unfortunately, even offended my peers with my stubborn mentality and honest discussions. I tested prediction capabilities over and over for months in differing locations and different environmental conditions. I can tell you what apps don't produce the same results every time you use them and which ones provide different results between their Android and Apple offerings. But I am not here to trash anyone else's work because I highly respect anyone who has invested the time, money, and effort to provide a ballistic calculator solution because it isn't cheap and it takes more work than most would realize.

    In my search, I met Gustavo Ruiz the owner of Patagonia Ballistics and bought a copy of CB1. Later, when he released his new windows phone app I bought an extra phone just so I could use the app. Now, in my testing it was critical that all of the conditions were properly accounted for and the equipment was well-documented and accurate. The biggest issue we found was in evaluating rifle scopes. We found the majority of them had up to 1% error in their click values. The worst was 3% error. This included many $3K+ optics so don't think you can spend enough money to be safe. We also found some scopes had reticle movement when parallax was adjusted, discovered some had backlash issues, and some that even after the parallax was adjusted then the reticle moves several MOA when you moved your head around. Once we had all equipment quality confirmed and true scope values accounted for, then the testing began. We will be releasing a video series on scope testing to help users ensure the best predictions possible.

    We found that Gustavo's engine provided predictive flight curves that matched Doppler radar data the closest and what was amazing is it did it with manufacture-published bullet data (G7 BC and actual muzzle velocities). We tweaked the best of the others to try to get their flight curves as close to Doppler radar data as possible but still weren't able to get as close as Gustavo's engine. I was ecstatic!!! For the first time ever I could obtain predictions that provided first round hits at distances up to 1500 yards and beyond.

    I called Gustavo and reported my findings and he confidently said: "Yes, I knew that is what you would find." I asked him if he had plans to offer it on any other device than Windows phone and he declined. I asked if he would allow Desert Tech to build a calculator based on his engine for other platforms and he again declined and said come down here to Argentina and we will talk. "I want to get to know you and Desert Tech."

    A few months later, I was in Patagonia Argentina with Gus completely off the grid, hunting red stags (free ranging of course) on an old farm that made me feel like I was living 100 years ago. We hunted half the day and talked ballistics from sun up to midnight every day for a week. By the end of the week, I had made a lifelong friend and Gustavo and I had made an arrangement that would bring TRASOL to life.

    While in Argentina Gus mentioned that Frank Galli was also eager to get Gustavoís engine onto other platforms and we were happy when Frank accepted our invitation to collaborate with us on TRASOLís development. We continued to involve Gus in its development and together we were able to add even more precision and automation into the predictions during its development. Long-range shooting is highly technical which leaves a lot of room for making mistakes and overlooking something. To get the maximum prediction accuracy then you have to be extremely precise and ensure everything is set properly. As I used ballistic computers in the past then I found that if I had to jump back and forth between screens to ensure all of my target data and shooting conditions were inputted properly then I would likely miss something. So, we designed TRASOL so that all elements that need to be inputted for taking your shot are in one screen that does not scroll up or down. Now, all the data is 100% visible so it is easy to see what you need to account for and you can easily/quickly ensure "ALL" data has been accounted for.
    Our primary goal with TRASOL is predictive accuracy because it doesn't matter what bells and whistles an app has if you still miss your target. An old friend of mine used to tell me there is genius in simplicity. TRASOLís user interface was designed to be intuitively easy to use and minimize the chances of user error.

    We have a lot of things planned for TRASOLís future. We are happy that today everyone can enjoy the phenomenal prediction capabilities and its simple user interface.
    Watch your thoughts; they become words.
    Watch your words; they become actions.
    Watch your actions; they become habits.
    Watch your habits; they become character.
    Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
    --Frank Outlaw

  • #26
    Originally posted by Olivierm-30 View Post
    Any news from DT?
    Trasol aven't been updated since a while
    Last update was early October 2016.

    Following notice is currently published on the Desert Tech web site. Not clear to me if it refers to a future/pending update or is leftover from last update.

    Recent iOS updates have led to TRASOL crashing on iPhones. We are actively working on an update to resolve the issue. Current workaround requires user going into main iOS settings and disabling location services for the TRASOL app. This will prevent TRASOL from crashing, but also prevents TRASOL from getting local weather services information and as a result limit its ability to automatically generate density altitude for your firing solution. Density altitude can still be manually entered. We are sorry for the inconvenience and will have an app update resolving the issue shortly.
    I first saw this message about 3 months ago but it could have been posted earlier. Regardless, if Desert Tech. (or their subcontractor) is actively working on a fix, they probably would have had one by now. It would be a shame if they've actively stopped supporting the application because it is actually quite good and sports an excellent user interface!
    pell1203

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    • #27
      I was considering this app, but have been waiting for news of updates before making a purchase.

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      • #28
        Originally posted by dfitzgerald View Post
        I was considering this app, but have been waiting for news of updates before making a purchase.
        It used to be $40 but was dropped to $10 a few months back to supposedly widen its user base and overall appeal... or perhaps milk it as best they could.

        At $10, I would say it is reasonably priced and well worth taking a chance on it being supported in the future.
        pell1203

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        • #29
          How does this compare to Shooter for speed/usability ?

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          • #30
            Originally posted by deersniper View Post
            How does this compare to Shooter for speed/usability ?
            For me it's about the same speed... It takes a bit longer sometimes to scroll through my list of firearms. I wish it had the option like shooter or AB to have one firearm, I have several loads for each gun, then you select what loads you want to use. I prefer that, other than that, it is deadly accurate.
            "When I pass, do not let my wife sell the guns for what I told her they cost" (SMDAVE)

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            • #31
              Thanks. That's one of my favorite parts of shooter. Being able to kee track of multiple loads and zeros.

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              • #32
                So does it seem that what there is in TRASOL is what we get? Or has anyone heard whispers of updates or further support?

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                • #33
                  No updates I have received from DT, I am sure they working on it.

                  But nothing has been said in a while
                  Watch your thoughts; they become words.
                  Watch your words; they become actions.
                  Watch your actions; they become habits.
                  Watch your habits; they become character.
                  Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
                  --Frank Outlaw

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                  • #34
                    Lowlight, are you working with the guy?...or just a contact person? Part of Desert Tech? :-)
                    Despite what your mamma told you, violence does solve problems

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                    • #35
                      Sure wold be nice to see some updates to this program. Would be really nice to see them, finish the sync, I was manually keeping two devices in sync however, I lost a bunch of work. DT was pretty active on this thread previously however, we hav not heard from them in a while

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                      • #36
                        they are focused on the MDR release, once the cash flows in from that they will be back on here I'm sure. or that's what I keep telling myself
                        "When I pass, do not let my wife sell the guns for what I told her they cost" (SMDAVE)

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                        • #37
                          I am just a bridge between DT and the community as well helped out early on, more of a beta tester than anything established.

                          In other words, other than hearing things first and believing the ColdBore Engine is better than most, I am along for the ride with you. When things change if they let me know I will tell you.

                          There has always been a road map, but like anything, it sometimes takes times to travel from point A to B, to C, etc.
                          Watch your thoughts; they become words.
                          Watch your words; they become actions.
                          Watch your actions; they become habits.
                          Watch your habits; they become character.
                          Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
                          --Frank Outlaw

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                          • #38
                            What am I missing here: this is a screenshot from my iPhone 6Plus of the data entry screen. I can't figure how to make it readable.

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                            • #39
                              Weird! Have you tried deleting and re-installing the application?

                              You might also check to see if you have a strange keyboard selected.
                              pell1203

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                              • #40
                                Originally posted by pell1203 View Post
                                Weird! Have you tried deleting and re-installing the application?

                                You might also check to see if you have a strange keyboard selected.
                                That was it. The "auto size" function for text was set to max. Lowered the slider and everything looks perfect. Knew I was missing something on my end, thanks!

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                                • #41
                                  Would one of you guys please tell me what the "sync" function does? I've been using this app for a year or so, know how to use all the other features but this one. Thanks

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