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Maybe I’m missing something here? Are y’all having trouble locking the turrets? Or are your numbers and indicator just not perfectly in line?
With the little experience I've had with mine today, it's a little of both. The turrets lock on a spline, so they have to be lined up with the number to lock down. It takes a little wiggle to lock down and I would be fine with that.

Really, it's the turrets having a slight play in them. When rotating the turret, you'll overshoot the mark by .05 mil and it'll make you question for a little bit what mark it's on. If you apply some slight pressure back the other way when you come off the turret, it'll line right back up again. I really don't think it'll hurt my performance with it, but the less things that threaten to screw my mind up during a stage, the better.

EDIT: the windage turret is absolutely perfect and functions exactly like I would expect the elevation to.
 
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Man that’s too bad. That’s a pretty big deal if you ask me. Especially at 3600. Even at half the price id still say unacceptable.

Here’s to hoping they got it all sorted out. This scope literally has everything I could possible want in it. Maybe lower parallax focus since I shoot a lot of .22

Even with it being perfect, I wouldn’t be happy with the elevation turret acting like that.

I’m going to bank on what you said and hope mine that comes is without this issue. Hopefully we here from ZCO on this as well
 

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Waiting for mine to come in yet.
Locking turrets are nice but I don't really need them. If they offered a non-locking solid turret I'm sure that would take care of any play in the internal splining , and I would definitely pick a non locking option
 
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Locking turrets are nice but I don't really need them. If they offered a non-locking solid turret I'm sure that would take care of any play in the internal splining , and I would definitely pick a non locking option
Agreed, it’s a give an take.

In a perfect world, solely for PRS, I think locking windage and non locking elevation is ideal.

Windage is typically used less and it’s the turret that would likely get bumped.

But, more options = more cost overall.

So, if the turrets have none or very minimal play, feel good, and track true, I’ll take it for a locking windage.
 

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@Dthomas3523 Detail of the ZCO 527 and the Spuhr 6001 mount.

@JPOPS Everything else about the scope feels really, really solid. This is the best glass I've held in my life (apart from some Swaro 15x binos I spotted though at a match one day). All the controls move easily and consistently through their entire range (magnification, parallax, illumination). I can read what month and year people's license plates are registered for at close to 200 yards. I like the reticle design (MPCT 1). I really cannot wait to get this on a rifle.

Small detractors: elevation turret (although the more time I spend turning it, the better it seems to get. May need revisiting once it's got more revs on it). Slight tunneling: like below 5.25x. Very, very slight, but it's there. Illumination will need to be assessed more, but the initial opinion is that it's not the best I've seen. Also not daylight bright (on green illumination), but that's not a big deal.
 

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Thanks man. Looks good.

The illumination has been advertised as daylight bright. Not sure if that’s only with red or not.

Might want to check on settings. I recall video mentioning “daylight” settings. That might just be referring to the intensity settings though.

If not. I’d be asking zcomp for clarification
 

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Interesting on the turrets, keep us updated. Damn beautiful scope
 

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Thanks man. Looks good.

The illumination has been advertised as daylight bright. Not sure if that’s only with red or not.

Might want to check on settings. I recall video mentioning “daylight” settings. That might just be referring to the intensity settings though.

If not. I’d be asking zcomp for clarification
Only seen the green so far. I'll play with it on red sometime because the green seemed a little underwhelming.

Interesting on the turrets, keep us updated. Damn beautiful scope
Incredibly beautiful.
 

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Only seen the green so far. I'll play with it on red sometime because the green seemed a little underwhelming.



Incredibly beautiful.
If you don’t mind, let me know roughly how much clearance you have under the bell of the scope.

Taking some measurements tomorrow. Putt an nvg rail (mainly to function as a handgrip) on the AT and want to make sure it will clear it without the rail.
 

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If you don’t mind, let me know roughly how much clearance you have under the bell of the scope.

Taking some measurements tomorrow. Putt an nvg rail (mainly to function as a handgrip) on the AT and want to make sure it will clear it without the rail.
I'm at school right now, so I won't have it on a rifle until summer.

But! The mount is 1.18" and the outside objective diameter is 2.48". That puts the objective at -0.06" in relation to the rail it's mounted on.
 

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I'm at school right now, so I won't have it on a rifle until summer.

But! The mount is 1.18" and the outside objective diameter is 2.48". That puts the objective at -0.06" in relation to the rail it's mounted on.
No prob. I’ll do the math and use the scope height calculator
 

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Thanks MT, sorry to keep asking for more, but any chance you could get a shot with an actual daytime target/image in the background, just curious how contrasty the green illumination is compared to the red in daylight situations. Next question is, how many think they would actually use green illumination over red and why?
WJM,

I use green lights at night for hunting so I could see how a black un-lit reticle, or a red reticle would work. I know others use red light for predator or varmint hunting at night. I could see the green illumination being useful there. I personally don't use red flashlights so I can't comment based on experience. Take it for what it is...
 
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If you can afford a ZCO, you should also own a thermal if you hunt at night... Nahhmsayinn
 
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Thanks MT, sorry to keep asking for more, but any chance you could get a shot with an actual daytime target/image in the background, just curious how contrasty the green illumination is compared to the red in daylight situations. Next question is, how many think they would actually use green illumination over red and why?
If the shipping stars align, I should have an mpct1 by next Friday.

Mpct2 from CS shortly after hopefully.

Once it’s officially shipped, I’ll make a (reasonable) list of requests and see what I can do.
 
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Thanks man. Looks good.

The illumination has been advertised as daylight bright. Not sure if that’s only with red or not.

Might want to check on settings. I recall video mentioning “daylight” settings. That might just be referring to the intensity settings though.

If not. I’d be asking zcomp for clarification
The green illum just doesn't have as much contrast during daylight. Because of this it'll seem dimmer in bright daytime. Please use it in a variety of lighting conditions and let us know what you think.
 

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Really liking the ZCO. Reticle is great. Tracks true, perfect tension on the mag ring and great parallax. Here's a picture of my wife using the ZCO to put a 1" group together at 371y with the 47L. Her group is top right red dot. Girl can shoot!
 

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Really liking the ZCO. Reticle is great. Tracks true, perfect tension on the mag ring and great parallax. Here's a picture of my wife using the ZCO to put a 1" group together at 371y with the 47L. Her group is top right red dot. Girl can shoot!
That scope looks sweet.How are you liking the ARC rings? And what height did you go with.
 
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I decided to pull the trigger and pre-order the 4-20 from Mile High today. Why does anyone care? Well, I think it's worth noting because I had been planning on buying a Schmidt and Bender 3-20x50 Ultra Short with MSR2 reticle until reading this thread and hearing people talk about the Zero Comp products. The 4-20 fits right in the same category as the S&B Ultra Short and frankly, I like the MPCT1 reticle better. The Zero Comp has every feature I want, a clean reticle and similar price point. I'm usually wary of new products and companies, but given the pedigree ZCO has and @Lowlight's confidence, I'm taking the leap. I look forward to shooting 2019 matches with some Zero Comp glass. So thank you all for the info on this thread. Thank you @gebhardt02 for your responses on here as well.
 

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I decided to pull the trigger and pre-order the 4-20 from Mile High today. Why does anyone care? Well, I think it's worth noting because I had been planning on buying a Schmidt and Bender 3-20x50 Ultra Short with MSR2 reticle until reading this thread and hearing people talk about the Zero Comp products. The 4-20 fits right in the same category as the S&B Ultra Short and frankly, I like the MPCT1 reticle better. The Zero Comp has every feature I want, a clean reticle and similar price point. I'm usually wary of new products and companies, but given the pedigree ZCO has and @Lowlight's confidence, I'm taking the leap. I look forward to shooting 2019 matches with some Zero Comp glass. So thank you all for the info on this thread. Thank you @gebhardt02 for your responses on here as well.
Was Mile High able to give you a lead time?
 

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Indeed, but that was clearly one that needed to go back for warranty. Little different here I believe.
That video looks very familiar :) it indeed had to go back for warranty repair. TT was VERY quick with turning it around. A detriment of their turret and zero design is something so simple at a glance as having a turret marking off, can NOT be reset by the end user. Man i miss that scope.... the glass is incredible.

I was really really really wanting the ZCO; but, a series of big life decisions and a health issue has put me off from shooting for a little bit. I love that the release is going well for ZCO, and hope to pick one of these up in another year or two when I come back.
 

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That video looks very familiar :) it indeed had to go back for warranty repair. TT was VERY quick with turning it around. A detriment of their turret and zero design is something so simple at a glance as having a turret marking off, can NOT be reset by the end user. Man i miss that scope.... the glass is incredible.

I was really really really wanting the ZCO; but, a series of big life decisions and a health issue has put me off from shooting for a little bit. I love that the release is going well for ZCO, and hope to pick one of these up in another year or two when I come back.
Let us know when you're ready again :)
 
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With the little experience I've had with mine today, it's a little of both. The turrets lock on a spline, so they have to be lined up with the number to lock down. It takes a little wiggle to lock down and I would be fine with that.

Really, it's the turrets having a slight play in them. When rotating the turret, you'll overshoot the mark by .05 mil and it'll make you question for a little bit what mark it's on. If you apply some slight pressure back the other way when you come off the turret, it'll line right back up again. I really don't think it'll hurt my performance with it, but the less things that threaten to screw my mind up during a stage, the better.

EDIT: the windage turret is absolutely perfect and functions exactly like I would expect the elevation to.
Any chance u can post a video of the turret overshoot? Thx!
 

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Any chance u can post a video of the turret overshoot? Thx!
The video in the other thread is pretty representative of what's going on. Mine isn't as bad as that (it just needs a smidge of back pressure to line up right rather than an actual effort to turn it back) and it seems to be getting better. It's not so bad that it'll put me off a click anymore and I probably won't send it back for a fix unless I just have the random time and patience to or if something else goes wrong with it.
 

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Any chance u can post a video of the turret overshoot? Thx!
Not to miss quote CStactical, but I was on the phone with them yesterday. I believe they are preparing something to show us, and was assured the turrets are just fine. Very nice group of guys over there, and I appreciated them spending the time with me to ensure I’d get a product up to my satisfaction.