Would you support age restriction on semi-auto firearms?

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The salient issue is that of crazy people. Crazy people doing crazy shit used to be kept apart from society, but it became unpopular to lock Uncle Harry up. Instead, they preached medication and moderate supervision, which is why our streets are now littered with the clinically insane homeless.

We need better and more comprehensive mental health care that treats not only the Adam Lanzas, but their fruitcake parents as well.
 
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Ok, do you think that age restrictions on handguns should be dropped to 18?

Look I am not trying to push anyone's buttons. The proposal was said to have been brought up to Trump at Mar-alogo last weekend.

The fact is that the human brain is not fully developed until about age 24. That it has been proven that before age 20 most people can not fully think out the totality of there actions.

I dont believe talking about it like grown men is detrimental in anyway.
 
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Ok, do you think that age restrictions on handguns should be dropped to 18?

Look I am not trying to push anyone's buttons. The proposal was said to have been brought up to Trump at Mar-alogo last weekend.

The fact is that the human brain is not fully developed until about age 24. That it has been proven that before age 20 most people can not fully think out the totality of there actions.

I dont believe talking about it like grown men is detrimental in anyway.
On that basis should the military be closed to those under 24?? Israel starts traing their jet pilots at 15... So that at 18 when their reactions and cognisance is at its,peak... They are,trained f16 pilots.

Go back 1000 years... And 18 was midlife. Crisis. Are,modern brain development experts... Experts? Or part of the same AMA that has vowed,to declare guns a health issue?

You raise a,valid point. But is it one based on real,science or fake news?

Cheers, Sirhr
 

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If you are old enough to die for your Country you are old enough to own an AR. What we need is a Liberalism restriction on teachers and a law that requires active parenting.
The argument could be made that young men in the military are under supervision, beyond the screening process of induction and basic training.
 
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I do believe the age restrictions on handguns should be dropped. Handguns are legal to purchase at 18, just not through a licensed dealer. At 16 I had and carried in my truck a Ruger MkII Gov Target. Killed many a coon and various other critters. I never shot up a bunch of undeserving folks with it.
 
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This invites further restrictions, maybe old people are not allowed to own guns because they are not mentally as sharp as they used to be. So are we looking at gun ownership only between the ages of 25-65??
They're already doing that. Need a son or daughter or ... to help with SS paperwork? No guns for you.
 
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On that basis should the military be closed to those under 24?? Israel starts traing their jet pilots at 15... So that at 18 when their reactions and cognisance is at its,peak... They are,trained f16 pilots.

Go back 1000 years... And 18 was midlife. Crisis. Are,modern brain development experts... Experts? Or part of the same AMA that has vowed,to declare guns a health issue?

You raise a,valid point. But is it one based on real,science or fake news?

Cheers, Sirhr
No sir(hr). I have said forever the military accepts at 18 because the mind and body are fresh and can be molded.

The rest of your response actually works backwards (in a good way) from the problem. I think we can all agree 200+ years ago (hell 50 years ago) children were rasied faster. Educated about life faster.

I recieved my first gun (bb) at about 6. Once I had proven responsible I had unlimited access to it. Until I shot my brother in the leg, that mother fucker deserved it. Got it back in a week (i think dad knew he deserved it).

I see 18 year olds and swear they are mentally about 12.

How can you make a parent "raise" there child. Specially when they might be 2nd or 3rd Gen dumb ass.

Because parents are not doing there job. I would like to see manditory gun education. By manditory i mean just that, required for everyone before age of 18. If you dont want to own a gun fine, but I do think EVERYONE should be able to check and unload a firearm.
 
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No sir(hr). I have said forever the military accepts at 18 because the mind and body are fresh and can be molded.

The rest of your response actually works backwards (in a good way) from the problem. I think we can all agree 200+ years ago (hell 50 years ago) children were rasied faster. Educated about life faster.

I recieved my first gun (bb) at about 6. Once I had proven responsible I had unlimited access to it. Until I shot my brother in the leg, that mother fucker deserved it. Got it back in a week (i think dad knew he deserved it).

I see 18 year olds and swear they are mentally about 12.

How can you make a parent "raise" there child. Specially when they might be 2nd or 3rd Gen dumb ass.

Because parents are not doing there job. I would like to see manditory gun education. By manditory i mean just that, required for everyone before age of 18. If you dont want to own a gun fine, but I do think EVERYONE should be able to check and unload a firearm.
during the 50's we were having kids field strip rifles in middle schol and beyond. High school rifle teams were the rage. i would sure like to be find out what happened to us. i look at this generation coming out now and i am scared for us. we are so screwed.

but back to what you said, it educated about life. this is what is missing today.
 

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No sir(hr). I have said forever the military accepts at 18 because the mind and body are fresh and can be molded.

The rest of your response actually works backwards (in a good way) from the problem. I think we can all agree 200+ years ago (hell 50 years ago) children were rasied faster. Educated about life faster.

I recieved my first gun (bb) at about 6. Once I had proven responsible I had unlimited access to it. Until I shot my brother in the leg, that mother fucker deserved it. Got it back in a week (i think dad knew he deserved it).

I see 18 year olds and swear they are mentally about 12.

How can you make a parent "raise" there child. Specially when they might be 2nd or 3rd Gen dumb ass.

Because parents are not doing there job. I would like to see manditory gun education. By manditory i mean just that, required for everyone before age of 18. If you dont want to own a gun fine, but I do think EVERYONE should be able to check and unload a firearm.
I guess the first step would be to remove all government financial need based aid, that would ground people in the real world. Work to eat.
 
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On that basis should the military be closed to those under 24?? Israel starts traing their jet pilots at 15... So that at 18 when their reactions and cognisance is at its,peak... They are,trained f16 pilots.

Go back 1000 years... And 18 was midlife. Crisis. Are,modern brain development experts... Experts? Or part of the same AMA that has vowed,to declare guns a health issue?

You raise a,valid point. But is it one based on real,science or fake news?

Cheers, Sirhr
This isn’t totally accurate. True, the life expectancy was mid 30s, but that number is grossly skewed by a huge infant mortality rate. People that reached adulthood could fairly expect to reach their sixties. Ok, back you your regularly scheduled program...
 
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I built my first firearm at age 13. It did not ever occur to me -not even when bullied by classmates- to point that firearm at a human being.

There is a "drop safety" issue with people like Nicolas Cruz and teenagers before him. We need to find out the nature and cause of that defect. Right now his medical records fall under the HIPAA law like my and your records.

However we could pass a law that allows medical records of CONVICTED serial killers to be made available under FOIA or similar so we can learn what went sideways in the brain of these people and correlate that to their upbringings, medications, etc.
 
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I know for a fact that changing the Laws will do nothing apart from restrict the flow of guns for Honest People, The fact is that anyone with criminal intent will obtain them somehow and that most crimes are carried out with illegally acquired weapons, All the changing of the Laws will do is get the Lafty's off the politicians backs and in the meantime chisel away at your Rights.
 
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Ok, do you think that age restrictions on handguns should be dropped to 18?
yes.

at 18 you are legally an adult, and should have your full rights........you can vote, you can die for your country.......you damn well should be able to own a gun and drink a fucking beer.

I find it truly appaling that so many of you "freedom loving" folks are so quick to piss away any rights you have left.

I swear some of you crusty old buzzards must be suffering from low-T......because even the slightest whiff of gun controll and yall roll right over trying to appease great white father
 
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I know for a fact that changing the Laws will do nothing apart from restrict the flow of guns for Honest People, The fact is that anyone with criminal intent will obtain them somehow and that most crimes are carried out with illegally acquired weapons, All the changing of the Laws will do is get the Lafty's off the politicians backs and in the meantime chisel away at your Rights.
careful. talk like that will get you disappeared where you live.
 
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I had my first firearm, a single shot 22 rifle, at 14., and was strictly supervised by family and police (PAL Youth Shooting program at the Newark, NJ Boys Club). Within a year, I was left to my own recognizance, and I think I did a good job of being a new, responsible gun owner.

I might also point out that service people do not have the advantage of enjoying the Bill of Rights; but are instead governed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ); a fact that barracks lawyers always seem to get wrong.

i would be more receptive toward politically motivated gun control initiatives if I could point to instances where any gun control measures actually solved a perceived problem. Good at making rules, pretty poor at enforcing them, always treating the gun as an animate object, seldom if ever holding actual miscreants responsible for initiating the violent act; I am a firm believer that the Second Amendment was always intended to take the keeping and bearing arms strictly out of the political process and says so in unambiguous terms. Those who claim otherwise are either genuinely stupid or deliberately obtuse on the subject

An infringement on one right is a clear indication that those intending to do so have no faith in any of the enumerated rights, and possibly that the only thing protecting those other enumerated rights is an empowered populace. I honestly believe that the sole genuine intent of the gun control crowd is to disempower that populace. It is the way folks like Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot became unimpeachable.

I won't stand anywhere but in the way of it.

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To be honest, I wasn't aware that 18 year olds were able to purchase the MSR type rifles, for some reason I thought those were 21 along with the handguns. (possibly state law, but I haven't seen any FFLs around here willing to sell pistols or MSR style stuff to under 21 year olds).

I think Federal law does not let anyone under 18 buy firearms from an FFL, they have to have a parent / guardian etc buy the gun & there is no reason to change that.

However I think it makes little difference, most of the recent murderers were well over 21 so it would not have made a difference.
Who is really responsible is the FBI, they are the ones who should be being grilled over this massacre.

If you get multiple credible reports backed up by proof that someone is possibly going to do a terrorist action, has the means, the will & the capability to do so, is stating they will do it & you just go home and don't even tell the local authorities to go check it out.
How much more would another law do?

And to those who blather on the lies about "there was nothing we could do", just call them out on their lies openly, you notice they grabbed his brother and slammed him into a mental hospital with pretty much no specific evidence of any planned wrong doing, just to cover their own rear ends.
In my opinion, a publicity stunt to make the sheeple feel safe like closing the barn door after the horses have bolted and it has burned to the ground.
I'm sure they could have easily done the same thing with the actual killer based on all the evidence they had.

How about making the FBI and local agencies criminally and financially responsible if they blatantly drop the ball on specific credible threats.
Yes everyone has rights & we are not into locking people up because of "pre-crime", but nobody's rights are being infringed if you actually follow up on someone and meet them and ask them to explain troubling things they have said / done.
You can also put people under surveillance easily with a minimum amount of paperwork (FBI seems to do it all the time when they want to get rid of trump).
If they don't have a carry licence, it's easy to simply put a delay flag on their file with the ATF NICS checks, lots of people who have had / do have security clearances get a delay due to something marked or left out of their files.
 

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Consider this:
As of right now, the same idiots that are eating tide pods, can legally purchase a rifle or shotgun.
Normally, I would say no to more restrictions, but when you consider how incredibly stupid and immature the current generation of 18-21 year olds is, then maybe waiting till they are a bit older is a wise decision.
 
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Consider this:
As of right now, the same idiots that are eating tide pods, can legally purchase a rifle or shotgun.
Normally, I would say no to more restrictions, but when you consider how incredibly stupid and immature the current generation of 18-21 year olds is, then maybe waiting till they are a bit older is a wise decision.
Soooooo......you support taking away the rights of everyone.....because of the actions of a few.

Huh....where have i heard that before?
 

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Dumbass, it is NOT taking the rights away from everyone and would not affect the vast majority of citizens.
I'm glad you support those that eat tide pods though.
 
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Dumbass, it is NOT taking the rights away from everyone and would not affect the vast majority of citizens.
I'm glad you support those that eat tide pods though.
I am going to be nice right now and kindly ask you to remove the "dumbass" comment. As I stated above, discourse and dialogue are good. Name calling just turns a thread into a shit show. If you can not keep your wits about you maybe you should not own weapons?

I am all good with a "Fuck you" but in your case you swung the first punch with that childish comment. AND there in lies an issue that quickly gets out of control "who started it".
 
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Gentlemen Please, everyone has their own views although we may not agree with them it is their views just the same, By not allowing them to have their views is also taking away their rights albeit of a different nature.

John.
 

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You hurt my feelings.
My feelings have value.
You are mean.
I don't like mean people.
There is a bit of difference between a 2 year old eating something that they don't know is bad for them and a 19 year old eating laundry detergent.
Besides, i said maybe.
 
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I am going to be nice right now and kindly ask you to remove the "dumbass" comment. As I stated above, discourse and dialogue are good. Name calling just turns a thread into a shit show. If you can not keep your wits about you maybe you should not own weapons?

I am all good with a "Fuck you" but in your case you swung the first punch with that childish comment. AND there in lies an issue that quickly gets out of control "who started it".
He's a big boy and can take it.
 
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I support age restricting semi-autos until 21. The prefrontal cortex, which is the decision making organ, does not come online until ~25.
Then by that logic.....why just semi autos?.....and why age 21.....if it doesnt come on until 25....21 is just as arbritrary as 18.

Would you also support legislation to make 25 the new legal definition as an adult?

Cant vote till 25 as well as own gun?

Honestly i view voting more dangerous than gun ownership


Hell, we let kids drive at 17........i fear a 17yr old behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle more than a 21yr old with a gun.


Essentially what it boils down to is what age is a person old enough to fully know right from wrong?

Regardless of whether they are "fully developed" or not is irrevelant
 
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I support age restricting semi-autos until 21. The prefrontal cortex, which is the decision making organ, does not come online until ~25.
Would you support a law prohibiting the FL school kids from protesting at the FL capitol? The Fed Gov telling them not to protest because of their age would be OK with you? Would you support a law prohibiting a person under age 25 writing an article in a newspaper? Would you support a federal law prohibiting the media from putting the FL school kids on camera so they can voice their (uneducated) opinions? Should a person under age 25 be subject to search and seizure of their property without due process? Are you over 25?
 

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The whole tide pods eating thing is actually getting in the way of the real issue.

Unless you are really mentally defective (which some are), everybody knows you shouldn't eat those Tide pods from a fairly young age.
The people posting stupid stuff about them eating tide pods are not mentally defective to the extent that they don't know they are dangerous.

The actual scary thing is:
Foolish idiots know that eating Tide Pods is dangerous & can cause harm, but they are so weak minded & desperate for attention & to fit in and be part of whatever is the stupid new wave, that they are willing to do dangerous, harmful things based solely on peer pressure from strangers online &/or trying to get some quick fake fame rush of xxx people watched me do this stupid thing.

This is also why all the same idiot fools rush from one "outrage" to another and all run around like a mob attacking or supporting whatever has been put out by the puppet masters as the new "cause".

This is specifically why our country was setup as a Republic (NOT a democracy), with guaranteed rights that could not easily be altered by the whims of the mob, and many steps / checks / balances / slow downs to making any changes to the core restrictions on the government taking away rights or interfering in your liberty.

This mob rule by the puppet masters is what they are pushing for.... The mob demands you throw xxx freedom or xxx people on the bonfire to make them happy.

Just tell the fools NO (and add some things to disparage their lineage as well).
 

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The salient issue is that of crazy people. Crazy people doing crazy shit used to be kept apart from society, but it became unpopular to lock Uncle Harry up. Instead, they preached medication and moderate supervision, which is why our streets are now littered with the clinically insane homeless.

We need better and more comprehensive mental health care that treats not only the Adam Lanzas, but their fruitcake parents as well.

I think you're on to something.


Teacher and mother-of-four, 49, stabbed to death and left to rot inside her apartment for SIX DAYS 'by a homeless man she was trying to help'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5418013/Mom-stabbed-death-vagrant-trying-help.html
 
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Would you support a law prohibiting the FL school kids from protesting at the FL capitol? The Fed Gov telling them not to protest because of their age would be OK with you? Would you support a law prohibiting a person under age 25 writing an article in a newspaper? Would you support a federal law prohibiting the media from putting the FL school kids on camera so they can voice their (uneducated) opinions? Should a person under age 25 be subject to search and seizure of their property without due process? Are you over 25?
isnt it funny how many people support legislation.......so long as it doesn't effect them any?

those fudds we all bitch about because "so long as they dont take my hunting gun, they can take away the ar15s".... we are literally no better if we go "well im not 21 anymore, so fuck em, no one needs a gun until they are 25, wont effect me anyways"

either you support liberty for all....or you support liberty for no one....pick a side.

im sick of these chicken shits going "i support the 2A,but..."........nothing but a bunch of pussies running around looking for any excuse they can muster to justify their disdain for freedom for their fellow man.
 
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Excellent point. Wish I had thought of it. I was actually just wonder if maybe his prefrontal cortex wasn't fully developed yet. :-D
 
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