I have had a couple US made AKs come through my hands, a BHI and an IO. Neither were on par with the imports IMO. I bought the AKbuilder press and rivet jigs and just built my own with all Bulgy parts. AKs are pretty easy to build, much easier than an HK but harder than an AR. I got out of the HKs in favor of ARs in 308, 223 and 9mm. I do miss my reverse stretch MP5 clone though, heavy as it was it ran like a sewing machine.I leary of US built aks. None have been reliable up to this point. They have been trying to come in cheap though. The m10x model if built correctly might fit the bill. I will check it out. Thanks.
I've had an M10x (current model with the Zhokov sock) for a while now. It's well-made and reliable with decent factory support (for now at least but since they are a small manufacturer, who knows if they'll be around years from now).You and me both... That is why it has my interest. They are not making an american copy of an AK but a completely new firearm, borrowing ideas from Kalashnikov, Sig and others.
Yeah, right? I remember the late 90's where you could get Romanian 74's for $219. $219! Others were barely $300. Then in the 80's you could get very nice import AK's, underfolders, etc., for pretty cheap too. The steel mags were like $10 (during the ban!) and bakelite I think I paid $5 each. Oh, shit like that was cheap! Ammo was cheap enough to just stop and get a big ass brick and use it all up at the range. Well, I sold 'em all in the army. Two 75rd. drums and a MAK91 (long "NM" barrel) the Romanian 74, and the one I regret the most? A no-shit Arsenal SLR95! Had a nice Steyr barrel. Milled receiver. It was smooth and it was accurate, well built and finished. That thing is worth a fortune today. I think I paid $450 for it? It was the best AK made for a long time. Then I had others I sold too. And I played with SKS's for a bit before that but dropped 'em pretty quick. I have none of that Commie shit today. Wish I did.I'm so mad I didn't buy a handful of AK's back when they were $259 on the shelf all day long! Soon as I can tell the future I'll be rich!
Couple questions. What kind of accuracy are you getting out of it? Do you like it enough that you would buy it again?I've had an M10x (current model with the Zhokov sock) for a while now. It's well-made and reliable with decent factory support (for now at least but since they are a small manufacturer, who knows if they'll be around years from now).
The rifle is modular with the serialized part being the tenon to which the barrel is attached. Everything else is user serviceable and spares are available on their website.
The rifle is a bit on the weighty side though.
I’ve only ever fed it junk (Wolf or Red Army) so can't attest to its mechanical accuracy. They do claim to be MOA with higher quality ammo. It is good enough to consistently hit a 6"x6" piece of steel at 100 (standing, off-hand).Couple questions. What kind of accuracy are you getting out of it? Do you like it enough that you would buy it again?
I'm with you with one slight exception, it would need to be piston operated. I had high hopes for both Sig and IMI but after looking at them in person I could not push past the use of plastic and poor optic mounting solutions.I would buy again if no-one comes out with a side-charging 7.62x39 AR that takes AK mags. If something like that ever shows up, I'd take that over an M10x for the better ergos.
Everything you said can be avoided as long as a true imported Ak is purchased. Everything else is unfortunately crap. Import laws makes anything decent tough to get. Sanctions make others impossible to get. Imports are almost non existent at this point. This is why the Ak market is inflated. Supply and demand.I will find out soon enough . I guess my point was that if I want a cheap rifle that's going to need parts replaced before being 100%, it might as well be a cheap rifle, and one that's got the aftermarket for it.
I have a friend that was convinced he wanted an AK... "They're cheap, reliable, etc. etc.." then started watching Rob Ski videos among others and to make a long story short I watched him go from wanting brand to model to model to brand about 5 times saying "Guys on the forums say these are good shit for the money", and luckily each time he was too poor to put money down because a month or two later he'd say "Yeeeaaahhh, so I guess X-brand AK actually has a lot of issues with soft bolts, bad gas pistons, furniture, receiver heat treat......"
Anyway, he finally ended up with an Arsenal .223 which is honestly a blast to shoot (If I ever end up with one it will be 5.45 or 5.56), but he also paid for it... and now is going through the pains of trying to securely mount a red dot that's not 4" over the bore with a beard-weld on the stock.
I guess I can understand it for the sake of having one, and I could really understand it when they were $200-400. But the current market is mehhh... My perception at least is that a lot of what is on the market has heat treat issues that requires hard to find or expensive european original replacement bolts, trunions, etc... Also seen lots of wandering head space examples and poorly clocked barrels/fsb... Maybe just my perception.
Is that how the story reads now?Everything you said can be avoided as long as a true imported Ak is purchased. Everything else is unfortunately crap. Import laws makes anything decent tough to get. Sanctions make others impossible to get. Imports are almost non existent at this point. This is why the Ak market is inflated. Supply and demand.
In reality AKs should cost more than AR rifles simply because of the man hours involved in making one. Ars are made by machines. Aks are made by craftsmans. The reason they are so cheap world wide is the fact they are subsidized by governments.
As far as mounting red dots go, buy RS Regulate or Midwest Industries side mount for either 30mm or micro red dots and you have a low mount that co witnesses with the iron sights of the AK. They have a complete return to zero when installed and reinstalled on the rifle. It’s that simple.
Watch a video of aks being built. There is a lot of manual labor involved. My point was pay those workers USA wages and see what they would cost then. They are cheap to buy worldwide using cheap labor to build and pricing subsidized by communist governments.Is that how the story reads now?
Last time someone told it to me, AK's were "cheap, easy to produce with no skilled labor in the 3rd world" etc... Maybe manufacturing costs are different when the state owns you.
It is what it is. I'm just not convinced any AK available today is worth it. Should have hopped on the bandwagon when the imports were cheap. I don't especially like the platform so it's hard to get excited about a $1000-1500 AK. I'd sooner go M1a or even one of the HMG STG's if they ever get past the vaporware stage. About the only AK I can get jazzed up about would be a side-folding 223 or 5.45 krink.
Have you seen arsenal prices lately. They aren’t exactly steals.Cool to have options though. The Pre Ban AK's have gone nutty in value, and are a bit scarce. Fun to have shooters like the Arsenal and a few others available for the immediate consumption of cheap commie ammo.
You kinda make my point for me. The aftermarket doesn't cater to getting an AK even in the same realm and the design of the AK doesn't encourage much tinkering.you AR guys are always shooting very highly tuned AR's and shooting them against run of the ill AK's, doesnt hardly seem to be a fair review that way.
You are right about the ak design that it doesnt encourage tinkering. This alone is a huge reliability boost. I cAn see the benefit of switching and changing crap for a casual shooter who only wants to shoot holes close together. For the rifle type in its primary role around the world, all the “upgrades” just aren’t necessary and some cause reliability issues. What is good on the range isnt always good on the battlefield. Of course this isnt how we use our rifles.You kinda make my point for me. The aftermarket doesn't cater to getting an AK even in the same realm and the design of the AK doesn't encourage much tinkering.
When I was shooting AK's more often I couldn't find anything for parts, no easily swapped affordable adjustable gas blocks, not much for recoil springs, no aggressive muzzle brakes, no triggers that could hold a candle to a decent AR trigger, obviously no high quality barrels I could swap at home, no lightweight bolt carriers/pistons.
If you can show me an AK that shoots as flat as my AR, with a 2lb trigger, an integral optics rail and that consistently gets 1.5 moa with blaster ammo I'll buy one tomorrow. I really do like AK's but the lack of LEGO like parts compatibility will never let them take a bite out of the AR market.
Ask an Afghan which rifle they would rather have, the answer most of the time will be "Kalashinkov; if he gets too hot shooting, you can dip his barrel in the river and keep shooting"Im mot saying aks are superior by any means but they are as viable today as they were in the 50’s. If I were going to arm untrained freedom fighters to help me take back America, they would have aks.