Why am i seeing so many unfired 300 PRC for sale in the PX?

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Why are guys changing their minds?
 

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I’d wager youre just happening to notice them. You looking for a PRC? Selling unfired custom rifles of any cartridge has been a pretty normal thing here.

It’s a good cartridge with no skeletons that I’m aware of. Once we get some alternate brass sources, that’ll pretty much seal the deal. I’m having a fine time with hornady at this point though.
 
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Everybody has brought out a 300 mag trying to be as good as a 300 Winchester Magnum. Haven't seen anyone unseat it as the king of the hill.
 

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If theyre like me, they really like the magnum cartridge, but realized they dont have access to a range / dont get to a range far enough to justify the cost when something like a SAUM gets 90% of the performance for half the cost. haha (sold my 300 NM for a 7SS and havent missed the NM - only have regular acceess to ~800 yards and only 1-2 big hunts/year).
 

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Maybe like me, they are 300WM shooters who realized that 15 grains of powder more really does equal recoil......I wanted one, I'm leaning to 6.5PRC now.
 

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I'm currently having a 300 PRC built. Looking forward to shooting it. I think there are a lot of people getting the 300 PRC and its definitely taking off faster than the 6.5 Creedmoore took off when it first started. I will also get a 6.5 PRC too.
 

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I think people are seeing through the marketing. If you are running a long throated 300wm in a CIP length mag you can match the velocity easily. They basically created a beltless win mag so there isn't any advantage beyond marketing.
 

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I think people are seeing through the marketing. If you are running a long throated 300wm in a CIP length mag you can match the velocity easily. They basically created a beltless win mag so there isn't any advantage beyond marketing.
That would be fair statement if they weren’t supporting it, or it wast performing. That isn’t the case though. It is absolutely a better case design, which is a step in the right direction. They also make reasonably priced match and hunting ammo for it. I think Berger is the only entity offering the winmag with very high BC bullets, and it’s several dollars per box more expensive. This is just like the .260/creedmoor argument. If you’re vested in the old dog, stay with it. Just getting into a 30 magnum? The PRC seems to be the obvious choice.
 
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That would be fair if they weren’t supporting it, or it wast performing. That isn’t the case though. It is absolutely a better case design, which is a step in the right direction. They also make reasonably priced match and hunting ammo for it. I think Berger is the only entity offering the winmag with very high BC bullets, and it’s several dollars per box more expensive. This is just like the .260/creedmoor argument. If you’re vested in the old dog, stay with it. Just getting into a 30 magnum? The PRC seems to be the obvious choice.
Saying an absolutely better case design is a dramatic overreach. When shot from CIP length mags and throated appropriately they match each other in velocity. They feed equally, 300wm has more brass options, from load data I've seen 300wm takes a little less powder to match velocity, until people have burnt through a lot more 300 PRC barrels we can't accurately compare barrel life. So with that said the only real argument for the 300 PRC over the 300wm is the belt. People that load frequently for the 300wm know that the belt is a non-issue. Me and many other people bump the shoulder when sizing the same way you would most other non-belted cartridges. So realistically I'm not seeing any advantages other than hornadys factory ammo offerings which I will admit is nice for those who don't handload.
 
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Saying an absolutely better case design is a dramatic overreach. When shot from CIP length mags and throated appropriately they match each other in velocity. They feed equally, 300wm has more brass options, from load data I've seen 300wm takes a little less powder to match velocity, until people have burnt through a lot more 300 PRC barrels we can't accurately compare barrel life. So with that said the only real argument for the 300 PRC over the 300wm is the belt. People that load frequently for the 300wm know that the belt is a non-issue. Me and many other people bump the shoulder when sizing the same way you would most other non-belted cartridges. So realistically I'm not seeing any advantages other than hornadys factory ammo offerings which I will admit is nice for those who don't handload.
You’re comparing a custom throated 300wm to a standard PRC. Not a good comparison. I called a reamer manufacturer, bought a saami PRC reamer, and chambered a barrel. It’s nipping at the heels of my 300 Norma. Accuracy is exceptional with handloads, or Hornady ammo. As I asked earlier in the thread, if you were designing a 30 magnum for modern match bullets, would it look like anything like a 300wm? Would you actually leave the belt on, or delete it and turn that into powder capacity? Would you push the shoulder back and blow out the diameter to keep the bullet bearing surface out of the neck/shoulder junction? The PRC uses a fairly standard recipe for modern long range cartridges. It’s not even two years old on the commercial market. It has a military contract, and every manufacturer you’d want to make a 300 PRC rifle, already does. Because of that, do you really think brass is going to be an issue down the road?
 

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You’re comparing a custom throated 300wm to a standard PRC. Not a good comparison. I called a reamer manufacturer, bought a saami PRC reamer, and chambered a barrel. It’s nipping at the heels of my 300 Norma. Accuracy is exceptional with handloads, or Hornady ammo. As I asked earlier in the thread, if you were designing a 30 magnum for modern match bullets, would it look like anything like a 300wm? Would you actually leave the belt on, or delete it and turn that into powder capacity? Would you push the shoulder back and blow out the diameter to keep the bullet bearing surface out of the neck/shoulder junction? The PRC uses a fairly standard recipe for modern long range cartridges. It’s not even two years old on the commercial market. It has a military contract, and every manufacturer you’d want to make a 300 PRC rifle, already does. Because of that, do you really think brass is going to be an issue down the road?
It's actually a fair comparison.... If you are looking at the capabilities of the 2 cartridge's you would want to compare them fairly. I would agree that a short throated 300wm made for lighter hunting bullets wouldn't be able to compete with a 300 PRC throated for 225gr ELDs but no one would choose that short throat if they planned on shooting heavies.

Because 300wm has been around for such a long time you can typically choose from multiple reamers that caters to your type of shooting.

Since the 300 PRC was made with CIP length mags and heavy bullets in mind I'm comparing a 300wm throated for similar capabilities.

If I was designing a 30 Cal cartridge I wouldn't design it so its a ballistic twin to a decades old cartridge. Mine would be closer to a 300 Norma improved with a 30-35 degree shoulder or maybe a slightly shorter modified 300 ultra mag.
 
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If I did not already have a 300 cal magnum and was looking into building one, I would go with a 300 PRC/Norma. But if one already has a 300 Win Mag, then the incremental benefits of having an additional 300 PRC is small. There's no doubt that a 300 PRC is better designed than 300 Win Mag, but incremental improvement is marginal.

Most folks already have a 300 Win Mag, hence the next logical step up is not 300 PRC, but probably a 338 LM or 375/408 CT.
 

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Where can I buy a case of the 300WM you shoot and what does it cost?
I handload... Berger has a 300wm load but I haven't tried it. If you plan on long range target shooting and only shoot factory ammo the 300 PRC is probably a better choice.
 

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Saying an absolutely better case design is a dramatic overreach. When shot from CIP length mags and throated appropriately they match each other in velocity. They feed equally, 300wm has more brass options, from load data I've seen 300wm takes a little less powder to match velocity, until people have burnt through a lot more 300 PRC barrels we can't accurately compare barrel life. So with that said the only real argument for the 300 PRC over the 300wm is the belt. People that load frequently for the 300wm know that the belt is a non-issue. Me and many other people bump the shoulder when sizing the same way you would most other non-belted cartridges. So realistically I'm not seeing any advantages other than hornadys factory ammo offerings which I will admit is nice for those who don't handload.
Getting rid of the stupid belt, absolutely made it a better case design. People who load belted mags frequently, like myself, have been bitching about the issues caused by the belt for years. So much so, that Innovative technologies made the Larry Willis Collet die, to help us out sizing the offending portion of case, just above the belt.

We can extrapolate reasonably on barrel life. You can't accurately predict barrel life on anything, it is too variable. Using 1-5 grains more powder to push the same bullet, barrel life is going to be a moot point.

Hodgdon load data is only 1-2 grains different with h1000 and 7977 shooting 200 and 212 grain bullets between the 300PRC and 300WM.

The options for 300wm brass seem to keep dwindling.
 
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I'd try everything without a belt, before looking at anything with one.
Same.

300 PRC
No belt
Better shoulder angle
Better neck positioning
No wondering what reamer to get
Easy to get long range capable ammo
ADG brass on the horizon.

Yea it’s ballistics are about the same as my 7 saum but you can never deny a bigger bullets advantage for spotting hits and misses at distance.


Many places I shoot the ground is fairly wet all year with a lot of vegetation.
It’s public BLM land so my prep at the the target area is very minimal to not be intrusive.
 
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Getting rid of the stupid belt, absolutely made it a better case design. People who load belts mags frequently, like myself, having been bitching about the issues caused by the belt for years. So much so, that Innovative technologies made the Larry Willis Collet die, to help us out sizing the offending portion of case, just above the belt.

We can extrapolate reasonably on barrel life. You can't accurately predict barrel life on anything, it is too variable. Using 1-5 grains more powder to push the same bullet, barrel life is going to be a moot point.

Hodgdon load data is only 1-2 grains different with h1000 and 7977 shooting 200 and 212 grain bullets between the 300PRC and 300WM.

The options for 300wm brass seem to keep dwindling.
Hmm, I did not know this existed. I’m having a problem closing the bolt on my sized 7 mag cases. Maybe this is what I need. Thanks.
 

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Why are guys changing their minds?
Same reason you see so many 338LM’s - people bought them with big plans to shoot them but forgot they also need financial plans to feed it, or they have no place to stretch it out and it got old firing at 300 yard targets.
 
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Hehe, you need to stop paying that Internet bill and buy some damn 300 PRC is what needs to happen! You can still shoot dirty!
My 7SAUM is cheaper to shoot with similar ballistics.

338 or 375 are where I want to blow my retirement on as I now have consistent access to places to shoot them.
 
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A couple of points. First, I looked at the PX section. I'm actually seeing more 6.5 PRC and 6.5 Creedmoor for sale and very few 300 PRC. So seeing something for sale in the PX does not have much bearing or statistical measurements on the 300 PRC market.
Second point from my observations the individuals that are first to discount the 300 PRC are those that are already invested in a different type of 30 Cal. The 300 PRC fits between the 300 WM and 300 NM. I sold off my 300 WM because the 300 PRC just all around is a better and more advanced cartridge. The 300 WM has a shorter neck and has the potential to cause concetricty inconsistencies.
The main culprits that I find to be the most defensive are the 300 NM crowd. I think its mainly emotion that they don't like the 300 PRC. The 300 NM is a larger case based off the 338 Lapua and it burns a lot of powder. You get a lot of power but the cost is more recoil and muzzle blast while not efficiently using all the powder. With the large case of the 300 NM you will be limited on the magazine capacity if that is a concern for you. For me the 300 PRC makes sense. I was going with a new rifle anyways so I might as well try a new cartridge. Last, I think this caliber will have a lot of potential in the future.
 
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If poor people would just buy an action that allows easy bolt head swaps they could just get a bolt head and barrel instead of an entire rifle. But I’m just a thrifty poor so wtf do I know.
 
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I jumped the gun and ordered everything except a barrel for a light weight hunting build. Just can't decide what i want to play with next lol.... Thought i was missing something. Don't really need another rifle. Sending one of my kids off to college next year so this might be my last build for a few years.
 

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Because the poors gotta sell their shit, before trying out something else.

Hence, why they're poor.
If you're going to take a superiority roll when cutting down others, your grammar needs to be tight haha
 

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Like a bunch of old gray bushes stuck in their ways”back in my day we only shot 300 win mag and we liked it”...

Who needs them new fancy modern cartridges?... you still have 250-3000 savages and sich...
 

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i have a big, heavy, GA Templar long action .300WM. I shoot 230s (.741 G1) @ 2700fps, and they will stay super sonic to a mile. That’s just under where my scope winds out. I might daydream about bigger, faster, and farther, but this is a ton of gun for me, and completely fills my top tier. It’s also a hammer that holds groups like my comp rifle! ;)
 
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