What is considered good offhand accuracy at 100 yds?

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What caliber are we shooting here?
 

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Using this same weapon and ammo what are the group sizes from a bench?
 

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One of the old gun writers said being able to hit a beer can in 5 seconds offhand. My c.r.s. is kicking in on his name.
 

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Using this same weapon and ammo what are the group sizes from a bench?
About an 1 moa.

Probably less if I took it inside with zero wind but at 100 yds the .22 blows around a bit.
 

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I think the soda can in that time frame is a good group,

I would say an excellent group is the bottom of the soda can in that time frame.

If on the bench you can shoot the 1 moa.
 

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I had trouble shooting 1 moa at 100yds with my new red dot scope yesterday, while sighting in my new CZ Scorpion 9mm Carbine. Of course it’s a 2 moa dot and no magnification....

I just kept shooting at the same spot until the center was gone and it made me feel better about it. A couple of hundred rounds and it’s just a single ragged hole. LOL (ok, slight exaggeration). Actually it did very well from the bench.

Off-hand it was more like 3 moa, but the 12 lb pull on the trigger wasn’t helping much.
I’ll get it to be better and the grouping will tighten.
 
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If you can stand up and shoot your rifle unsupported into 3MOA groups of a significant number of rounds, you won’t have to take shit from anybody about it, that’s for damn sure. I’ve shot as high as 50% on a 1.5 MOA target, but I had a coat on. Then again, it was irons and a 4.8 lb trigger, so maybe that evens out.

The “old man” standard was actually “groups the size of a fist” at 100 paces.

I just know that I’ve spent a fair amount of time working on the task, and if you asked me—in just a tshirt with a bare rifle—to hit a 3” circle every shot for 50 rounds...well, I doubt it.
 

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Repeatedly hitting a 1/5th scale ram, offhand, at 100m would be considered excellent offhand accuracy.
You are not wrong. For anybody not familiar, the core hit area on a Ram is about 3" tall x 4" wide, and you better keep your crosshair in the middle of that, since most of the rifles are MOA at best.

But I'll add: Meh. The 77m Turkeys are the real SOB. Basically a golf ball at 84 Yards.

I'm usually about 7-8 for 10 on Rams, and have run them. I think I've only EVER hit 8 Turkeys.
 
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You are not wrong. For anybody not familiar, the core hit area on a Ram is about 3" tall x 4" wide, and you better keep your crosshair in the middle of that, since most of the rifles are MOA at best.

But I'll add: Meh. The 77m Turkeys are the real SOB. Basically a golf ball at 84 Yards.

I'm usually about 7-8 for 10 on Rams, and have run them. I think I've only EVER hit 8 Turkeys.
Don't even get me started on those damn turkeys!
 

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not 22lr but the really good guys in PRS/unstable positions average about 2moa
some better some worse
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sorry off hand/ kneeling/ no suport, not all slung up with a shooting jacket etc
 

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Righto.

BIG difference between sling-supported standing "unsupported" a la PRS, and what I was discussing...

...which is you. A tshirt. And your rifle.


But by-th-by, Highpower and Smallbore "coat" shooters are not allowed to use a sling for support. Coat and glove = okay.

I'll never say my Monard makes no difference in my scores.

In the same line though, I don't deserve any shit for how I shoot without it. I grew up shooting, but I didn't grow up shooting at paper targets.

A coat does not make up for lack of core strength, holding drills, dry fire, and live fire anymore than it does structural issues with the position itself. (ie: doing something stupid like shooting it as though it's a Silver Pigeon instead of like an Annie 1913)




20 lb rifles aren't conformist to your desires of them. They make YOU do what THEY want. Best get used to that, and get along with it. :)

-Nate
 
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I’m ok with just T-shirt and 7# rifle. Sling or no sling. But a 20# rifle and I don’t get along very well.
 
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If you can consistently shoot pie plate Moa off hand at 100yds your plenty accurate enough to be deadly
 

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The NRA A-25 is for 100 yard prone and has a 10 ring measuring 3 inches in diameter. If consistently holding a 3 inch group was fairly easy, I’m sure than 10-ring would be smaller.;)
 
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The NRA A-25 target is a Smallbore target used in Conventional Smallbore Prone matches. There are no Smallbore matches where it is used for a Standing stage. A match consists of 2 targets with 10 shots fired at each record bull for 40 record shots. The match winner will typically need a score of 400 with a high (30+) X count. The X ring is 1 inch in diameter.
The best fitting example that I can offer the OP is the current NRA National record for 20 shots standing at 100 yards on the SR-1 target (1.35" X ring, 3.35" 10 ring) which is a 199-9X.
For additional frame of reference, the current NRA National record for 40 shots standing on the International 300 meter target (10 Centimeter 10 ring fired at 300 meters) is 388.
Both of these examples are fired with center fire rifles.
 
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At 100 yards I was shooting 90's. 6.35 inch 9 ring, on a good day I stayed in the black, on a bad day I was in the repair center, about 10" with a 9.35 inch 8 ring. Without a coat I was still in the 7 ring, 12.35 but much more spread out. Right now I'm using the 8 ring way too much.
 
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Just skimming I think there are two silhouette shooters in this thread, they are familiar with real unsupported.
It gets much harder in the IHMSA discipline. I've shot NRA SB, NRA CLA, IHMSA, and yes High Power.

True unsupported is hard. Standing with a sling greatly improved scores. Add a jacket and a glove and it's almost cheating.

With a precision 22, offhand, you, rifle, and your swinging winky.
2" at 50m
4" at 100m
8" at 200m
That's all pretty good shooting even if you can do it half the time.
 

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This thread is making me feel very inadequate with my off hand abilities.

I would say I am Minute of Deer off hand at 100 yards, not great