War on Drugs Redux- Big Mistake

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Trump and sessions are ramping up a new war on Drugs, Trump genuinely hates drugs and substance abuse because he watched his brother die from drink and drugs, and many others from his night club days even though he was a teetotaler , Sessions wants to fill his jails, and accumulate power in the judicial industrial complex.

I believe that people who want to kill themselves on drugs should be left alone to do so, stop the government funding of it but arrest no one, its not really government's role anywhere in the Constitution.

Thes "wars " on this or that are just scams to accumulate power in government and relieve the populace of its liberties. The police state is teetering on implosion, the general public either hates or distrusts law enforcement already and that is just the hangover from the last war on drugs and the new war on terrorism. hell I don't even trust cops anymore.

We need a war on Unconstitutional and Corrupt government, try doing a war on DC and the deep state then come back and talk about the next war on whatever when you regain some trust.

I do not trust our government with the death penalty, I don't trust them with anything, they have messed up everything they have ever touched, except the Mil and they are trying to screw that up too.

The dynamic duo need to start arresting people in DC, secure our borders, deport all illegal aliens and non americans that do not hold green cards. keep your asses out of the rest of the states.

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These guys dealing fentanyl need to be charged attempted or murder 1.
i fully support this.

right now, drug dealers know if they get caught...theyll do a stint in prison.....get let out because of "overcrowding"....and be out in less than 5.....

make the death penalty an option....and youll cure your overcrowding issue and dissuade any dealers from popping up..
 
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I spent quite a bit of time running around SE Asia.
I've been to Singapore and Malaysia several times.
You know what they do to drug dealers there?
They fucking kill them like the drain on society they are.
But, guess what. They still have drugs there. BUT it is not out in the open, in your face like it is here.
This country spends billions on medical care for these loser pieces of shit.
If they quit hitting them with narcan and providing medical care, the problem would almost take care of itself.
 

ArmyJerry

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spent plenty of time in Singapore and a little in Malaysia, the difference is their governments and Justice departments are more trustworthy than ours is these days. The damage done over the last two decades will take a long tome to fix. And we aint even started to try to get it fixed yet, the whole apparatus is in denial.
 

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What a weak crock of shit. And you all act like you support the Constitution. You wouldnt know the C if it hit you in the ass. Your a bunch of fucking hypocrites who are as bad as the liberals, but in the opposite direction. You want your right to have all the guns you want but want to deny the poor junkie his pleasure. You want the right to drink a beer or a glass of bourbon but deny the stoner the right to sit on his couch and burn one. Why dont we bring back prohibition. Alcohol is THE gateway drug. You dont mind giving up your beer for the betterment of society, now do you. How fucking droll.

I dont support the use of any of hem, except medical cannabis, but I do suppot the right to use them. Including alcohol, the most dangerous of all. Thats called liberty and justice, in case you havent heard.
 

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Its pretty apparent that taking fentanyl laced products leads to death or a costly publicly funded EMS response and stay in the hospital.

Locally the big dealers joke about the Americans they kill with their product, this exposed in a law enforcement investigation into the problem but surpressed because the dealers are illegal and we dont want to bias society against a protected class.

Locally the powers that be have responded now by redefining the term "drug dealer".

Before Newspeak a drug dealer was someone that sold drugs.

Now a drug dealer is only someone that only gains income from selling drugs but does not use their product.

Any one that sells drugs but also uses drugs is also a "victim" and not a drug dealer.

They are "victims" because their "disease" requires that they self replicate like a rabid racoon that must bite in order to transfer its dose of rabies before the parasite kills its host.

So if you are a user of drugs, than sell drugs, thats not so bad because you are in the throws of your disease!

Its like legitimizing a child pederast by saying "Oh, he was abused as a child and has now become an abuser. Lets be merciful on him".

Screw that. Im on the side of the victim. No one cares about the victim anymore. Perhaps you would bring healing to the victim if you showed them the person that made their predicament possible get punished.

Now I can see AJ and Maggot's point if there is 100 percent responsibility.

Drop all publicly funded lifesaving, treatment, and concerns about seeing dead bodies in the street and we move to 100 percent legalization.

Harden society for the very rough 12-18 months of transition that would require and move into the mindset that people are free to choose to take drugs but they will be personally responsible for the mayhem they create for themselves and those around them.

After the chaos of the transition only two types of people will be left. Those that will never use drugs and a very small population of functional addicts.

What we have right now is a crazy mixed message.
 
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Yep some people are really thick. You want to solve problem of crime fucking remove all substances from prohibited list and open up competition. You want some heroin go right ahead you can choose from Dick's, MIdway or fucking Starbucks if you like your daily dose of heroin with latte. Tax the thing at modest 10% or even 20%. Your main problem such as prescription drug use is already deregulated and you have big Pharma competing for their market share of pill gulping whales so why not expand that to other type of drugs and let the problem sort itself out. As for prisons you will still get enough bodies so that private industry centered around forced human labour won't die off. Everyone happy, junkies get their fix cheaply and without much hassle ergo no need for too much crime (perhaps even allow payment via EBT cards and you will literally kill two flies at one stroke - eventually) and state gets its tax revenue. Only poor souls in this deal would be international and local drug dealers and their political connections loosing their bribes.
 

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Well since high income can be a detriment to SS benefits i'm sure something can be arranged that legal dope users are sorted into special high risk insurance groups and illegible for much that society provides. But then again if abortion is on a taxpayer what's a petty thing like drug users to greatest nation ever...
 
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I rarely weigh in here, but... The way I look at the unlawfulness of drugs is this... To use an analogy, why do we have speed limits? Shouldn't it be your right to do what you want? Why should society care? What if you crash and kill someone else? What if you cause such an injury to yourself that you will never function without assistance again? Not much help to society then are you? Laws are, in part, an attempt to limit the impact the lowest common denominator has on everyone else.

Drugs are the same. They make people unproductive and drains on the collective resources of everyone else. Are other things arguably just as bad? Maybe, that's a strawman argument though and besides the point.

As to the argument of, "Let em do it and see who cares." You'll start caring when they turn to anything to feed their habit. As for overdosing and letting them rot? There's a certain ethical responsibility you have to take; thats just the burden of being a functional, tax paying and contributing member of society. They're all someone's kid.
 

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I am not sympathetic. What about all the good folks that get robbed, jacked or shot by a user looking for score money.
There are many more victims who pay the toll so others can get high. No pitty no apologies.
 

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Liberalizing drug policy without enforcing personal responsibility is just turning all the non drug users into unwilling support for the drug user.
I cant speak for others, PM but I never suggested lack of responsibility. Im all for legal bourbon. If you drink it and do stupid shit youre responsible for your actions. JUSTICE will extend that position to all.....

We (should) be free to do pretty much what we want. Be stupid=pay the price. Stupidity would diminish rapidly.
 

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What a weak crock of shit. And you all act like you support the Constitution. You wouldnt know the C if it hit you in the ass. Your a bunch of fucking hypocrites who are as bad as the liberals, but in the opposite direction. You want your right to have all the guns you want but want to deny the poor junkie his pleasure. You want the right to drink a beer or a glass of bourbon but deny the stoner the right to sit on his couch and burn one. Why dont we bring back prohibition. Alcohol is THE gateway drug. You dont mind giving up your beer for the betterment of society, now do you. How fucking droll.

I dont support the use of any of hem, except medical cannabis, but I do suppot the right to use them. Including alcohol, the most dangerous of all. Thats called liberty and justice, in case you havent heard.
there is a difference between someone selling pot.....which is relatively harmless.

and someone dealing in fentanyl...which you can be fairly sure is going to kill the person who takes it.

its no different than if i sold ammo reloaded with C4 and sold it to some dumbass..........sure, hes a moron that decided to fire it......but i knew in selling it to him that it was likely to kill him

you want to deal pot....you want to smoke pot....fine.....do it responsibly and i have no reason to tell you not to........but if you are dealing pot laced with cyanide.......you are guilty of murder.


you want to deal heroine....you want to use heroine....fine.....do it "responsibly" and i have no reason to stop you........but if you are dealing heroine that is going to kill someone....you are guilty of murder.
 

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I cant speak for others, PM but I never suggested lack of responsibility. Im all for legal bourbon. If you drink it and do stupid shit youre responsible for your actions. JUSTICE will extend that position to all.....

We (should) be free to do pretty much what we want. Be stupid=pay the price. Stupidity would diminish rapidly.
Agreed but how do we deal with the increase of Moms and kids in minivans dying in the post crash car fire when rammed by a drug zombie?

The carnage to the innocent will follow for sure.
 

ArmyJerry

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So we have a murder problem, not a drug problem. this shit is already against the law, what have the police been doing? I dont want to and aint gonna give up any more liberties or empower an already out of control militant police force (they are fucking psychotic murderers in some cases with a whole band of blue peanuts cheering them on.

The trust is just not there. Let these muther fuckers die, I aint giving up any more rights.

THis is what the war on drugs v1 got us
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Let's see, if you legalized it, and enough innocent people die in the crossfires, u get MADD-II, mothers against drugged driving, a seriously decreased surplus population, and a bunch of seriously happy and wealthy Ebenezer Scrooges making $ off it. Win win for all, right ?
(Yes, for all those who missed it, this is sarcasm beyond the norm.)

On a more serious note (not), democrats, drug dealers, drug users, drug abuse, dangerous drugs, (All start with the letter d.... )...... And in a multiple choice solution, D. Death , like John Boy and Billy, Take D.... (I know, on jb&b, it's c, but for humour's sake today).

Darwin also starts with a d....

Personally, having been victimized by all the bs drug addiction can bring, medical bills for a family member (damn near bankruptcy), home burglarized and ransacked, checkbook emptied, credit cards stolen and run up, sued when vehicle was used and in accident driven by drugged individual, shots fired into house by dealers wanting their $, and living with that and more, watching a family member abdicate all personal responsibility, dumping it all on you, a law abiding, tax paying, working, responsible citizen, I lost sympathy for drug shit a long time ago, after all, sympathy falls btw shit and syphilis, in Webster's, so, letting there be a bunch of really fat buzzards and worms, ala, Josey Wales, the movie, ..........

The allowance for abdicating all personal responsibility and being allowed to live in a welfare state enjoying drugs is unacceptable....... this is merely another symptom of how degraded our society has become and how a certain party rides the backs of those accepting slaves who just keep going along to get along.

So, choices:
1. Accept drugs and pay a high price..
2. Read all the snipers hide member solutions and be frustrated.... :- )
 

Maggot

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there is a difference between someone selling pot.....which is relatively harmless.

and someone dealing in fentanyl...which you can be fairly sure is going to kill the person who takes it.

its no different than if i sold ammo reloaded with C4 and sold it to some dumbass..........sure, hes a moron that decided to fire it......but i knew in selling it to him that it was likely to kill him

you want to deal pot....you want to smoke pot....fine.....do it responsibly and i have no reason to tell you not to........but if you are dealing pot laced with cyanide.......you are guilty of murder.


you want to deal heroine....you want to use heroine....fine.....do it "responsibly" and i have no reason to stop you........but if you are dealing heroine that is going to kill someone....you are guilty of murder.
Agreed.
 

Maggot

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Agreed but how do we deal with the increase of Moms and kids in minivans dying in the post crash car fire when rammed by a drug zombie?

The carnage to the innocent will follow for sure.
What have we done ith alcohol crashes which are far more numerous. Its been shown that when cannabis is legal, crime goes down and drunken driving goes down. I guess if you get stoned enough you just stay home and eat oreos.

But ultimately its about freedom which does come with responsibility.
 

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What have we done ith alcohol crashes which are far more numerous. Its been shown that when cannabis is legal, crime goes down and drunken driving goes down. I guess if you get stoned enough you just stay home and eat oreos.

But ultimately its about freedom which does come with responsibility.
Agreed the problem is concerning.

Why add gas to the fire?

Im seeing the result of recreational canabis, while standing in the middle of the road signalling traffic to stop for a tracked excavator to enter the roadway stony almost ran me down.

"I drive better", "It relaxes me", "Its legal" is the common response.

The typical person wont drive with an open container or when stopped will realize they are doing something wrong.

Not so with the pot smoker.

They are a new phenomenon they dont have a high enough body count yet.
 
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Everyone's talking about their local heroin dealer, but nobody is talking about how Purdue/Oxy Contin basically created the current problem. Purdue invented Oxy Contin, and aggressively marketed to doctors "This stronger synthetic version of morphine isn't addictive at all." and basically turned your local doctor into a drug pusher, and made billions of dollars off of it.

Nobody wakes up in the morning and decides "I think I'll do heroin today". It usually starts with prescribed medications.

Besides increasing government revenue, it turns out that legalizing marijuana also helps lower the dependency rate for more potent drugs as well. THC based drugs can be used to treat much of the same chronic pain without the addictive problems from synthetic morphine. I am pretty sure at this point, most medical professionals would agree that pot isn't as addictive as pain killers.
 
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Everyone's talking about their local heroin dealer, but nobody is talking about how Purdue/Oxy Contin basically created the current problem. Purdue invented Oxy Contin, and aggressively marketed to doctors "This stronger synthetic version of morphine isn't addictive at all." and basically turned your local doctor into a drug pusher, and made billions of dollars off of it.

Nobody wakes up in the morning and decides "I think I'll do heroin today". It usually starts with prescribed medications.

Besides increasing government revenue, it turns out that legalizing marijuana also helps lower the dependency rate for more potent drugs as well. THC based drugs can be used to treat much of the same chronic pain without the addictive problems from synthetic morphine. I am pretty sure at this point, most medical professionals would agree that pot isn't as addictive as pain killers.
YOu basically nailed it. I would guess that it usually starts with alcohol, then elevates.

To PM above, again, I add "ultimately its about freedom" and equal justice. If you want to make it just outlaw alcohol...WAIT! we saw how that went down.

Fiorello La Guardia (mayor of NYC) on progibition.

 

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Drop all publicly funded lifesaving, treatment, and concerns about seeing dead bodies in the street and we move to 100 percent legalization.
So when some mule accidentally spills a bit of their laced product on something in the local park or such and one of your kids or significant other happens to touch it & is needing immediate medical assistance so they don't die.... you'd be all for letting them die because we shouldn't save people's lives just in case they are guilty of something? Should the police just assume it's fine to let your family member die and not give them simple rather cheap life saving assistance, because they might have brought it on themselves and not been an innocent victim?

So perhaps if there is a car accident, we should just sit back and let everybody burn to death if they can't save themselves as maybe they could possibly have been drunk or an idiot?

That's why we have a society and emergency services, so that we can save people's lives since you can't go back and get a redo on skipping that later.
 

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Damn, I'm a non-american with no green card, just a regular old work visa. Guess that means I should be kicked out eh?
It sounds like you are lawfully in the country and working lawfully.
We have no problem with that, if you are doing things the legal way, America can use more good law abiding people.
 

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To PM above, again, I add "ultimately its about freedom" and equal justice. If you want to make it just outlaw alcohol...WAIT! we saw how that went down.



Agreed prohibition only creates crime.

but.....

Letting the inmates run the asylum leads to the great points made in the W54/XM388 post following yours.....

What do you do about the collateral damage?

Laws should be based on some sort of result.

Take for instance cell phone use in the car.

Lawmakers pump their fists when they make cell phone use a cite able offense.

but what is the crime?

Granted cell phone use can lead to increased crashes but there are laws that cover that - negligent operation for instance.

Should someone using their cell phone and not crashing be subject to $100 fine over what might have happened?

or should we charge the guy that crashes with the appropriate charge?

Was it the cell phone or the operator?
 

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So when some mule accidentally spills a bit of their laced product on something in the local park or such and one of your kids or significant other happens to touch it & is needing immediate medical assistance so they don't die.... you'd be all for letting them die because we shouldn't save people's lives just in case they are guilty of something? Should the police just assume it's fine to let your family member die and not give them simple rather cheap life saving assistance, because they might have brought it on themselves and not been an innocent victim?

So perhaps if there is a car accident, we should just sit back and let everybody burn to death if they can't save themselves as maybe they could possibly have been drunk or an idiot?

That's why we have a society and emergency services, so that we can save people's lives since you can't go back and get a redo on skipping that later.
Medical people are losing their patience with revolving door narcan targets.

Ten years ago they were certainly all about sympathy now it seems they are turning to "this guy again?"

It is causing real monetary and resource costs.

Local radio floated the idea last week of a 3 strikes and you are out law.

That is the coarsening of society that this will bring.

We used to have religion, family and shame that kept us in line and imparted human value to some extent. That has been destroyed.

We are moving into the concept of life envisioned in Brave New World.

I dont promote it and I dont like it but that is where we are going.

The old system of morality and society are considered out of style by the mainstream channels (not by me) and they are bringing this on.

Im on your side , how do you fight it?
 

Maggot

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Im on your side , how do you fight it?
thats the question. The only 'Just" way I see is to stop telling people what they can and cannot have. Make evrything but vioence and or threat of violence (which would include things like home invasion etc legal and hold people responsible when they fuck up. Other than that its an unbalanced equation.

"You can smoke 'A' (tobacco) but not 'B' (cannabis).

You can have 'A' (knives) but not 'B' (30 rd mags).

Etc.
 

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thats the question. The only 'Just" way I see is to stop telling people what they can and cannot have. Make evrything but vioence and or threat of violence (which would include things like home invasion etc legal and hold people responsible when they fuck up. Other than that its an unbalanced equation.

"You can smoke 'A' (tobacco) but not 'B' (cannabis).

You can have 'A' (knives) but not 'B' (30 rd mags).

Etc.
How do you "hold them responsible" if it isn't illegal?
Do you give them a stern talking to?
Do you make fun of them on facebook?
If it isn't illegal, you can't punish them.
 

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thats the question. The only 'Just" way I see is to stop telling people what they can and cannot have. Make evrything but vioence and or threat of violence (which would include things like home invasion etc legal and hold people responsible when they fuck up. Other than that its an unbalanced equation.

"You can smoke 'A' (tobacco) but not 'B' (cannabis).

You can have 'A' (knives) but not 'B' (30 rd mags).

Etc.
People that fall prey to these types of addiction need help with the problem that LEADS them to the addiction not the addiction itself. Putting them in jail is a useless endeavor and restricts the space available for the more deserving of prison time. I have had a few acquaintances and one friend that either ruined or lost their lives because of the "hardcore" drugs or alcohol.

All of them should have got the help they needed versus the help which they got. Counseling is a useless endeavor. Trying to end addiction the way that it is done today is pointless and does not work for the majority in a long term sense. If we spent the money on proper forms of help versus jail time, there would be a much higher rate of "curing" the afflicted and getting these people on the road to recovery. It can be done and it would much cheaper than jailing them.

If all we are going to do is throw them in jail, then ArmyJerry is correct and they are better off getting high until they die.
 
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Ask yourself how many druggies a pusher kills directly over the length of their 'career'; and then try to tell me they aren't committing a capital crime.

How many innocents get killed by their 'customers'?

Recreational use of controlled substances is at very least irresponsible behavior, regardless of the legalities involved. We all pick up the tab, in more ways than just money, for that behavior. Every time a junkie shoots up they are shovin' it right up the ass of society. While folks die, "good" and "bad"; folks natter on about 'justice' and where the fight should be fought (just as long as it ain't in your backyard), real people, with real lives, are actually sticking their necks out to cut back on the hourly carnage that is inseparable from everyone in the illegal drug trade from Cartel to corner pusher. Get your addled heads out of your asses, on straight, and stop trying to philosophize your way around the death toll.

You F'n liberals are abysmal morons. You defend the illegals and the pushers (it's all one and the same down here...), at the cost to all the rest of us. Here's a hearty FUCK YOU, numb nuts!

You're up there in El Norte, sucking down your beer and choice liquors, and basically telling us borderlanders "Fuck you, it's your problem, and you suck at fixing it".

Well you're wrong. Dead wrong. I got friends in uniform out here (yes, right here in my own patch) and they, and their families, are putting their lives on the line. For all of us.

What YOU done lately, Buttercup?

The war on drugs is turning out to be more and more like the war in 'Nam. Everybody wants someone else fight it, but they don't want anyone to actually win it. Shit, or get off the throne, people.

After these last equivocating posts of yours M, you're now on permanent ignore. I'm not going to let you fuck with my heart rate ever again.

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Ask yourself how many druggies a pusher kills directly over the length of their 'career'; and then try to tell me they aren't committing a capital crime. How many innocents get killed by their 'customers'?

You F'n liberals are abysmal morons. You defend the illegals and the pushers, at the cost to all the rest of us. Here's a hearty FUCK YOU, numb nuts!

You're up there in El Norte, sucking down your beer and choice liquors, and basically telling us borderlanders "Fuck you, it's your problem, and you suck at fixing it".

Well you're wrong. Dead wrong. I got friends in uniform out there and they, and their families, are putting their lives on the line. For all of us.

What YOU done lately, Buttercup?

After that last post of yours M, you're now on permanent ignore. Not going to let you fuck with my heartrate ever again.

Greg
Unfortunately it's not going to get any better till we get rid of the left, socialists, progressives and democrats who seem to love all those who have no regard for laws or normal standards of decency, morals or social behavior.

(Funny enough however, they think you should really follow their laws on not having Guns they don't like the looks of... but would like you to go ahead and break as many federal laws on drugs & being in the country unlawfully that you want & they will help you with those).
 

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Unfortunately it's not going to get any better till we get rid of the left, socialists, progressives and democrats who seem to love all those who have no regard for laws or normal standards of decency, morals or social behavior.

(Funny enough however, they think you should really follow their laws on not having Guns they don't like the looks of... but would like you to go ahead and break as many federal laws on drugs & being in the country unlawfully that you want & they will help you with those).
Exactly......where are the hippies when a mother ODs and her infant children starve to death?.......how come they dont march on washington to prohibit drugs?........how come they arent "for the children" or saying "if it saves just one life?".......

how come they arent protesting for the thousands that die every year from the drug wars in mexico?...........or do they only care about the mexicans when its time to hate trump?

instead they set up govt funded "safe spaces" for junkies to shoot up and get high.......they lessen drug charges and let dealers out of jail on early release.......they parade this shit as normal......and give you shit when you dont want to hire the guy with blood shot eyes and reeks of weed......or hire the chick with track marks all up here arms.
 

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The war on drugs is the same as gun violence. The crack ain’t going to smoke itself, just like a gun isn’t going to walk around shooting people. There needs to be proper enforcement of existing laws. How come I never hear about a war on crime?
 

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The war on drugs is the same as gun violence. The crack ain’t going to smoke itself, just like a gun isn’t going to walk around shooting people. There needs to be proper enforcement of existing laws. How come I never hear about a war on crime?
because if they actually solve the problems....then theyll have nothing to run on next election cycle.

they cant very well say " yeah dog....shits pretty good....we have low crime and no poverty, vote for me and ill fix that!"

politicians only care about themselves, and how to get elected next cycle...if they actually wanted to solve these issues they could easily......but they just use us as pawns......time for them to be flushed.

put term limits and end the professional ruling class and well see how quick shit gets fixed.
 
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Addictions don't happen overnight. Nobody grows up wanting to be a drug addict. There are tons of addicts that are functional. The idea that all opiod addicts are living on the streets and breaking into cars is just a sterotype.

80% of opiate addicts first started on commericially produced perscrition pain pills. Most of them were told that they are non-addictive. People that are well off just get their drugs legally from a doctor until the doctor is forced to cut them off. At some point even an unethical doctor cannot get away with it.

Quitting synthetic morphine cold turkey is not something that happens.

It's not a problem that we're going to arrest our way out of. Your local drug dealer more than likely has a medical degree as well.
 

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Ask yourself how many druggies a pusher kills directly over the length of their 'career'; and then try to tell me they aren't committing a capital crime.

How many innocents get killed by their 'customers'?

Recreational use of controlled substances is at very least irresponsible behavior, regardless of the legalities involved. We all pick up the tab, in more ways than just money, for that behavior. Every time a junkie shoots up they are shovin' it right up the ass of society. While folks die, "good" and "bad"; folks natter on about 'justice' and where the fight should be fought (just as long as it ain't in your backyard), real people, with real lives, are actually sticking their necks out to cut back on the hourly carnage that is inseparable from everyone in the illegal drug trade from Cartel to corner pusher. Get your addled heads out of your asses, on straight, and stop trying to philosophize your way around the death toll.

You F'n liberals are abysmal morons. You defend the illegals and the pushers (it's all one and the same down here...), at the cost to all the rest of us. Here's a hearty FUCK YOU, numb nuts!

You're up there in El Norte, sucking down your beer and choice liquors, and basically telling us borderlanders "Fuck you, it's your problem, and you suck at fixing it".

Well you're wrong. Dead wrong. I got friends in uniform out here (yes, right here in my own patch) and they, and their families, are putting their lives on the line. For all of us.

What YOU done lately, Buttercup?

The war on drugs is turning out to be more and more like the war in 'Nam. Everybody wants someone else fight it, but they don't want anyone to actually win it. Shit, or get off the throne, people.

After these last equivocating posts of yours M, you're now on permanent ignore. I'm not going to let you fuck with my heart rate ever again.

Greg
Get back on your meds.
 

Maggot

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People that fall prey to these types of addiction need help with the problem that LEADS them to the addiction not the addiction itself. Putting them in jail is a useless endeavor and restricts the space available for the more deserving of prison time. I have had a few acquaintances and one friend that either ruined or lost their lives because of the "hardcore" drugs or alcohol.

All of them should have got the help they needed versus the help which they got. Counseling is a useless endeavor. Trying to end addiction the way that it is done today is pointless and does not work for the majority in a long term sense. If we spent the money on proper forms of help versus jail time, there would be a much higher rate of "curing" the afflicted and getting these people on the road to recovery. It can be done and it would much cheaper than jailing them.

If all we are going to do is throw them in jail, then ArmyJerry is correct and they are better off getting high until they die.
Very insightful Nik. Addiction, to anything, is a disease.
 
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