Vintage Sniper Rifle Picture Thread

Ledzep

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Everyone likes pictures. :)






Type 30 from ~1905 I forget the maker.
M1898 Krag, Springfield 1899
Gewehr 98, 1915 Oberndorf
91/30 PU, 1943 Izhevsk
M1917, 1918 Eddystone
Type 99, Late war, also forget maker
M1903, Springfield 1918 make, new CMP stock, 12x Unertl; replica build
M1 Garand, Springfield 1943
K98k, Dot 1944, Yugo Capture Kriegsmodell
MAS36, 1944
No.5 Mk1, ROF 1945
Norinco 97 trench gun replica build
 

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My A4, this is an old Weaver K 2.5, but I switched to the Malcom M73G4 repo, I like the cross hairs better.



And then there is the M1C/Ds of the Alaska National Guard Sniper School.


Then the USAMU Sniper School with the M21

 
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If only our snipers had the technology we have today. How much better would they have been. Amazing what they did with what they had
Its not about technology. Sniping is about the weaponization of math.

If you shot the Model 1903A4, with crafted match ammo. It could hold its own with any modern rifle of the same caliber.

Technology doesn't mean better, it means easier. For example, take the fancy CNC lathes now. The computer takes the art out of the game.

Take a gander at this lathe. We laugh when we see something like that in a gun shop now. But that lathe has probably done more for rifle/pistol design and inventions then any lathe in history.



That is the lathe used by John Moses Browning, I took the photo at the Browning museum in Logan Utah.

Back to the M1903 Rifles I mentioned. Its strong, reliable, and ACCURATE. This is the action the Army used to build their Mann Devices. A device they issue to ammo suppliers to test the accuracy of their ammo.

It was used in several calibers, '06, 308, 30 cal carbine, 22 Hornet, and as pictured below, 45 ACP.



Never underestimate old rifles or old machinist.
 
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Its not about technology. Sniping is about the weaponization of math.

If you shot the Model 1903A4, with crafted match ammo. It could hold its own with any modern rifle of the same caliber.

Technology doesn't mean better, it means easier. For example, take the fancy CNC lathes now. The computer takes the art out of the game.

Take a gander at this lathe. We laugh when we see something like that in a gun shop now. But that lathe has probably done more for rifle/pistol design and inventions then any lathe in history.



That is the lathe used by John Moses Browning, I took the photo at the Browning museum in Logan Utah.

Back to the M1903 Rifles I mentioned. Its strong, reliable, and ACCURATE. This is the action the Army used to build their Mann Devices. A device they issue to ammo suppliers to test the accuracy of their ammo.

It was used in several calibers, '06, 308, 30 cal carbine, 22 Hornet, and as pictured below, 45 ACP.



Never underestimate old rifles or old machinist.


Not it just talking the rifle itself. Look at optics. Have you looked through what they used? That's what I'm saying they were limited and were still bad ass.
 

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Here are a few of mine...

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ScharfshutzeK98,

My Honey Hole gun shop just got three of those DMR K98s with the extremely long eye relief scopes in inventory. One is a possible Israeli reissue. One came with the scope can. Didnt really look at them too hard not knowing much about K98s but I was intrigued by that long eye relief set up.

I understand these were more designated marksman rifles rather than Sniper rifles. What is the story on them please?
 
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ScharfshutzeK98,

My Honey Hole gun shop just got three of those DMR K98s with the extremely long eye relief scopes in inventory. One is a possible Israeli reissue. One came with the scope can. Didnt really look at them too hard not knowing much about K98s but I was intrigued by that long eye relief set up.

I understand these were more designated marksman rifles rather than Sniper rifles. What is the story on them please?
Hey pmclaine,

Yeah they are more of a DMR being only 1.5x. Mine is a reproduction but the price I got it for was too good to pass up. Depending on the price you may want to look into picking one of them up. Here is a little more about them.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/assessment-of-a-zf-41-optic/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oNTKnYMfI8

-Brian
 

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I liked the one he had with the cupped butt steel.

Being inside the view through the scope was dark but I bet out in the sunshine they light up well enough.

Real interesting concept.

Its basically what our A4 was except it allowed for use of factory sights when the scope was destroyed and it was backed by higher echelon snipers that had more capable equipment.

Only took us 60 odd years to figure it out.
 
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Just received my 43 bnz Single Claw K-98k sniper clone





Here is my byf 44 High Turret sniper with a 4x90 Ajack that was a sporter rescue. It still had the original holes and silver solder in tact when I purchased it.





Here is the K-98k sniper family so far.....


 
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Slightly off topic, how do the Finn M39's compare to the nicer pre war Mausers? Fit/finish/quality/accuracy

Accuracy wise they're some of the better mil-surp rifles. I'd say better than most surviving mausers, on par with Swedes & 1903's. Fit/finish/quality... It's still a mosin. But it's a damn nice mosin. The stocks are awesome, the barrels are way better, and the receivers and internal parts have been worked over. Vastly superior to a plain jane 91/30. Not sure if it's quite on the same level as a nice pre-war K98 or Swede M96, but certainly comparable to a mid-war K98 I think.
 
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Sharfshutze,

Of them all which is the most effective/competent? That Ajak looks great.
Thanks pmclaine! Honestly I need to spend A LOT more time with all of them. I like them all for different reasons, and it is tough to choose just one. I think that the LSR is a great set up from a German engineered perspective. It offers the most comfortable "chin weld", and the mount/base lock up is quite secure. However, windage adjustments having to be made in the mount to me is a downside. So I believe that the PEM mounted on the K-98k is quite a nice match. The Soviet reticle in the PEM scope also appears to be a lot "sharper" on the verticle portion of the reticle rather that the duller or more blunt reticle found in German optics. For me that translates to better accuracy by being more precise in POA.
 

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Thanks pmclaine! Honestly I need to spend A LOT more time with all of them. I like them all for different reasons, and it is tough to choose just one. I think that the LSR is a great set up from a German engineered perspective. It offers the most comfortable "chin weld", and the mount/base lock up is quite secure. However, windage adjustments having to be made in the mount to me is a downside. So I believe that the PEM mounted on the K-98k is quite a nice match. The Soviet reticle in the PEM scope also appears to be a lot "sharper" on the verticle portion of the reticle rather that the duller or more blunt reticle found in German optics. For me that translates to better accuracy by being more precise in POA.
Perhaps an inappropriate observation to introduce into this topic but I guess it would be a real Sophie's Choice for you the owner of such fine rifles to choose just one.

I guess thats why we all have a safe full of rifles.
 

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Not Mine, just nice

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ScharfshutzeK98 - which one of the K98 sniper optics used during WW2 is the most capable/best scope? And do you consider the PEM to be better than any/all of the optics used by the Germans?

pmclaine - Do you feel like the change to stamped parts outweights the benefits of easier-to-use sights regarding 03 vs 03A3?
 

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ScharfshutzeK98 - which one of the K98 sniper optics used during WW2 is the most capable/best scope? And do you consider the PEM to be better than any/all of the optics used by the Germans?

pmclaine - Do you feel like the change to stamped parts outweights the benefits of easier-to-use sights regarding 03 vs 03A3?
Had a long post set up for you coyote with more detail but my computer updated mid typing.

No I dont think the milled metal outweighs the advantage of the A3 rear sight.

I do think the 03 is a more accurate rifle when set up properly and using a sight micrometer but there are more reasons for that than just the milled metal.

The A3 sights are more user friendly requiring less training/knowledge. The extra sight radius isnt going to hurt either.

For combat Im guessing they are a big advantage over the M1905 sight.

For service rifle they are good enough and might offer an advantage in the rapid fire events.