Video of shooting neighbor over matress

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Was it a dispute over finders keepers for the mattress, who dun seen it first? :p
Pretty sure they're going to do time for that, weren't exactly cornered in their home.
 

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......and obviously the dead guy has no idea how to de-escalate a situation.

Never bring a mouth to a gun fight.

A clash of bad genetics.

The only good possible outcome would have been 4 dead.
 

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The actions themselves are a 'poor form of entertainment' for people nowadays. Then on top of that, there's the whole 'videoing' of it all, which is worse.

Worse yet, is the audience that "needs to watch" crap like that. Do Better with your lives, people. Myself included.
 

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The actions themselves are a 'poor form of entertainment' for people nowadays. Then on top of that, there's the whole 'videoing' of it all, which is worse.

Worse yet, is the audience that "needs to watch" crap like that. Do Better with your lives, people. Myself included.
Everything is local now. Nobody needs to watch, but someone (the wife) was videotaping for evidence. She probably did not expect it to exonerate her husband’s killers, but I think that’s what it did.
We don’t need to watch boxing, MMA, or other violence, but we do and always have...

Maybe we’re just a bunch of dirty plebeians rough and crude in our manners and disposition.
 
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Everything is local now. Nobody needs to watch, but someone (the wife) was videotaping for evidence. She probably did not expect it to exonerate her husband’s killers, but I think that’s what it did.
We don’t need to watch boxing, MMA, or other violence, but we do and always have...

Maybe we’re just a bunch of dirty plebeians rough and crude in our manners and disposition.
Boxing, aka "The Sweet Science" I can understand. Two trained and 'qualified' (in the sense that they've both voluntarily agreed to combat) individuals whom are intending the same outcome. Same goes for almost any other sanctioned or organized sport.

This video being referenced just seems to be an act of stupidity followed by a "race to the dumbest". Which also seems to be the intent and driving force of most shows on tv and news nowadays.

Therein being the difference of what I was trying to allude to. Being entertained by those aiming to entertain is one thing. Being entertained by the denigration of intelligence and society is another. Just my opinion, is all.
 
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The video didnt really show how the first shot happened. Did loudmouth push or hit the old guy with the gun? I was impressed how shirtless boy got the shotgun in the fight.
 

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I surprised they didn't shoot the woman too, to bury the evidence. Definitely got the deliverance kind of vibe
 

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for the record, the shirtless here in Texas are a bit more refined than elsewhere in our fare land, not normally prone to shooting neighbors even when pissed. They normally hold a grudge islamic militant style though.
 
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That is murder. And the fact they initiated the confrontation, again, with weapons in their hands makes it premeditated in my book.
 

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Bad shooting even by Texas standards. No property or life in immediate danger. Just white trash arguing about a mattress near the communal dumpster in the alley. I'm surprised they didn't shoot the wife too.
The actions themselves are a 'poor form of entertainment' for people nowadays. Then on top of that, there's the whole 'videoing' of it all, which is worse.

Worse yet, is the audience that "needs to watch" crap like that. Do Better with your lives, people. Myself included.

I would agree but there is always a lesson to be learned. 1) no life or property were in danger (bad for shooters) and 2) the situation changed drastically when son changed position as wingman (bad for the deceased). All for a useless and no good worthless claim.
 

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From what I’ve gathered:
The dude in the orange shirt had thrown a mattress in the dumpster. The father and son removed the mattress from the dumpster and deposited the mattress on the lawn of orange shirt guy. The family of orange shirt guy confronts guys who just littered on the lawn. The dynamic duo then pull their weapons in front of the nieces and nephews, that’s when orange shirt guy goes back out to the alley and confronts the neighbors. My bet is they go to prison.
 
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While this is stupid all around, guy in orange shirt made multiple threats to kill shirtless dude and was significantly larger and younger than old fat shirtless guy;
Shirtless dude SHOULD have walked away, but he repeatedly told orange shirt dude to back off.
Stupid cunt recording the thing was instigating as well.
I'm sure there is a long history here, likely multiple responses by LE.
Likely manslaughter, not murder.
Also, this weeks winner for the Darwin award.
 

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Pretty sad the loudmouth got killed over a trash dispute but stupid Is as stupid does.

Pick your battles wisely that is if you have the intelligence to do so if not, there's the outcome.

Even if the video exonerated the other two dipshits they are far from safe from retaliation and get what they have asked for by using deadly force over something so trivial.

Let the cycle of stupidity play out
 

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I agree it is unbelievably stupid and probably an ongoing feud but orange shirt really fucked up bringing a fist or loud mouth to a gunfight when the odds are against you.
Orange shirt thought they didn't have the balls to bust a cap or two and was told a lot of times to back off and told 3 feet was when it would happen,yet he pushed it, and found out they would shoot. He damn sure threatened them with death enough times. You have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them, and when to walk away or when to run. Orange shirt was too stupid to know any of that and his size and strength did him no good in this case.
I am sure he won't remember it as his small brain is in the alley now.
I would like to know more details about the feud and how much bullying had been done previously as I thing orange shirt fits the bully profile and was a big sumbitch and the shirtless fatties seemed to have had enough to show out with guns.
I damn sure am glad I don't live in Texas for a lot of reasons but after watching that, the biggest reason is there is no chance of me being on the jury in this case as I am not sure how I would vote on that one. Need a lot more details to form an opinion.
This is the stupidest thing I have seen for a long time if not the stupidest thing I have ever seen. FM
 
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Unless LE has previous encounters with them anything before that video will just be “he said” “she said” If I had to go by just that video I would have to say not guilty under Texas law.
 

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The police have enough bullshit to deal with so for everyone of these dumbasses that offs each other over shit as dumb as what's in a dumpster that is one less in the ankle deep gene pool they came from.
 

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Bad shooting even by Texas standards. No property or life in immediate danger. Just white trash arguing about a mattress near the communal dumpster in the alley. I'm surprised they didn't shoot the wife too.



I would agree but there is always a lesson to be learned. 1) no life or property were in danger (bad for shooters) and 2) the situation changed drastically when son changed position as wingman (bad for the deceased). All for a useless and no good worthless claim.
Fire on the mountian, lightin' in the air...
 
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Police are saying the deceased ended up with a bat raised it and then was shot twice by the ol' man. Deceased then threw bat at the ol' man and more shooting occurred. Their bail was initially set and released at 25k. Later, a judge had them arrested again with bail at 250k. Social media forcing change in bail. Now, that is unusual. :)
 
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A bunch of frikken comombos here, good job, but throwing of the bat is not the threshold, threatening the guy and advancing on him is the standard.
 
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A bunch of frikken comombos here, good job, but throwing of the bat is not the threshold, threatening the guy and advancing on him is the standard.
Comombos. Il have to remember that lol

And yeah what does "I'm going to kill you" bully think is going to happen. Like has been said probably not the first time he bullied fat1 and fat2. When you keep pushing someone more and more they might snap. Not pretty when it happens. Like the killdozer
 
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That whole bin of shit is FULL RETARD but having dealt with a few bullies over the years,"I understand."
Orange shirt really asked for it, in my opinion, and he got it.
I wasn't sure about the ball bat until now but that really put meaning to the warning to stay 3 feet away for me.
I have read other places that he had a record a mile long but it ended there. Very sad considering there are young children in Orange shirt's family.
I hope those kids turn out OK but considering the gene pool they came from, I would bet we will hear from them years down the road.
I would also bet that Orange shit's wife knows what a "Downtown 5 points Ass Whoopin" is too.
God Damn, I hate Bullies. FM
 
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I had a real problem with trash from my white trash neighbors. I don't confront people directly for this very reason. They had three pit bulls and I’m armed. Too much can go wrong. I dealt with their Landlady, code enforcement and the town trash removal with support of other neighbors . They were all very willing to help. My alley no longer looks like little Hati....... oh and the landlady made them get rid of two of the pits. They were only suppose to have one and he is a real sweetheart.
 

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Fucked up. But I have news for the deceased and his girl friend. You can defend your life anywhere, not just your home. Alleys are not some special "safe zone".
I guess I am a pussy cause I would not have been involved in that argument on either side. I have the ability to ignore stupid shit.
As far as the shoot goes, orange shirt should have walked away as soon as the guns came out. But of course he was a big badass that wasn't backing down from shirtless old man.
As soon as the bat was thrown that was an attack. It would not be unreasonable to think someone throws a bat to distract to then attack. If someone throws a bat at me I am not shooting instantly, but if i see the person at that point advancing and not retreating well shooting will begin.
It is reasonable to believe the bat is the start of the attack. Shirtless 1 & 2 stayed pretty calm. Not hysterical like orange shirt guy.