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Cheyenne Bodie

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A small group of Grey men is all that is needed to bring pretty much everything that people in urban / suburban areas depend on for their civilized lifestyle to a complete standstill. If they are extra smart, they could do it with no need for weapons either.
Reminds me of the saying "hell has no flames".
 

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H2O2 decomposes into plain water pretty quickly. If you're looking to store it keep it sealed and get the highest concentration you can find, then dilute it if necessary in the future as batches.
Some i have is 10yo, but it still works! It might have lower concentration by now, but no infections is all i care about.
 

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Some i have is 10yo, but it still works! It might have lower concentration by now, but no infections is all i care about.
Yea, if you keep it sealed it'll last just fine. I like buying the higher concentrations and just mixing up a bottle of basic strength so I'm not always popping the top. It's cheap though, and not really something most people worry about when CVS down the road has ten bottles at any one time.
 
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No but my Grandfather didn’t know little Fritz and my Dad didn’t know little Pho before they became the SS and the VC. My point was it’s a whole lot different staring down a barrel at a person you know or a possible neighbor. The WWII generation was taught to hate the japs and the krauts as sub human and were conditioned to eradicate them without remorse. Have you been taught that about the kid down the street? It’s not the same thing and if you can’t see that you probably can’t see my point either.
You misunderstand me. I do see your point, and agree for the most part with your post. I do think that while highlighting the differences you missed the parallels (which are actually a bit more pertinent).

It was neighbors, schoolmates, coworkers, etc, that found themselves being loaded onto train's, summarily executed, etc, not all that long ago. The SS is also just one example, this sort of thing has been seen over and over again throughout human history.

The process is already underway. A scapegoat has been chosen, and the propaganda machine is in motion. We are the “them”, and we are the problem.
 
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I like to hope that the fact that anyone here is heeding what we have learned from the Nazis is a positive indication that we are able to avoid the same mistakes. That said, we are fighting human nature. These things keep happening throughout history because mankind— time and time again— after realizing collaboration is our greatest strength and benefit to the individual, decide to go full retard and unify a population without liberty, without justice, without any aim to the well-being of said individuals. Tyranny.

I think I heard it from Joe Rogan, who is a bit of a wing nut but it resonated with me.
"Very very rarely do you see someone get a lot of power and then do the right thing with it. They almost always fuck it up. Why is 2019/2020 going to be any different?"
 

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Yes, and i cut myself a lot!!!! I hsve a healthy stock of hydrogen peroxide everywhere i can. 6 big bottles in every place i crash. One in all my vehicles, bandages and first aide to go with it all. Damn stuff never goes bad, i use up old stock and replace with new.
H2O2 decomposes into plain water pretty quickly. If you're looking to store it keep it sealed and get the highest concentration you can find, then dilute it if necessary in the future as batches.
Not the best choice for LTS antiseptic. As mentioned, it degrades fairly quickly, as does bleach. Betadine perhaps?

Edit: See my below post on the same subject, the above statement appears to be incorrect.
 
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Plain Bleach is also really nice and has great uses.
Short term, bleach is great, for keeping on the shelf in case of emergency go with calcium hypochlorite. Store in sealed mason jars away from sunlight and metallic items.
Some folks suggest burping the jars occasionally, but I haven’t found that to be necessary. Just like bleach, this stuff will off gas if allowed, and this can cause some accelerated rusting/corrosion on nearby items, hence the “store away from metallic items”.

Edit: After finding my comments on hydrogen peroxide were a bit of the mark, I double checked my supposed knowledge of bleach shelf life. I believe this one will stand. Full strength bleach (which is only about 3-6% calcium hypochlorite) degrades considerably even in a still sealed bottle over time. The rate of degradation is dependent on the starting concentration. Anecdotally, anyone with a pool can tell you last year’s chlorine has nowhere near the punch it had the following spring.
 
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Some i have is 10yo, but it still works! It might have lower concentration by now, but no infections is all i care about.
Yea, if you keep it sealed it'll last just fine. I like buying the higher concentrations and just mixing up a bottle of basic strength so I'm not always popping the top. It's cheap though, and not really something most people worry about when CVS down the road has ten bottles at any one time.
Not the best choice for LTS antiseptic. As mentioned, it degrades fairly quickly, as does bleach. Betadine perhaps?
Did a little more research on this. It appears my information was not entirely correct on this. If unopened, shelf life appears to actually decent. From what I can gather, once the seal is broken and the H2o2 is exposed to air, all bets are off, though with reasonable handling you can expect reasonable lifespan (I would replace after 6 months).

Note that I am not a chemist, so I am not sure if you can extrapolate future concentrations like this, but... based off the numbers in this paper, 10 years would not appear to be an unreasonable number (which appears to be anecdotally verified by @Jgunner ).

Edit: Would help if I linked to the paper... https://www.texwipe.com/Content/Images/uploaded/documents/Technical-Data/TechNote_Hydrogen_Peroxide_Shelf_Life.pdf

Edit:Edit: While this paper appears to demonstrate a properly constructed and documented experiment, again, I am not a chemist, and this paper does appear to have been put out by the manufacturer of said product, so, grain of salt and all that...
 
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You misunderstand me. I do see your point, and agree for the most part with your post. I do think that while highlighting the differences you missed the parallels (which are actually a bit more pertinent).

It was neighbors, schoolmates, coworkers, etc, that found themselves being loaded onto train's, summarily executed, etc, not all that long ago. The SS is also just one example, this sort of thing has been seen over and over again throughout human history.

The process is already underway. A scapegoat has been chosen, and the propaganda machine is in motion. We are the “them”, and we are the problem.

You know what, I was actually going to ask a few pages back if this is what the Jews felt like in the beginning, but didn't want to get crucified by the internet tough guys.

I can totally see that point. I hope little Timmy/Fritz remembered all my Corps stories from little league and think better of it.
 
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Looks like VA has sanctuaries well in place, good for step one.

Now time for higher court injunction.

And at the same time formal articles of seperation from the state.

Ultimately this will keep our federal government in check and uphold our Constitution.
 

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Short term, bleach is great, for keeping on the shelf in case of emergency go with calcium hypochlorite. Store in sealed mason jars away from sunlight and metallic items.
Some folks suggest burping the jars occasionally, but I haven’t found that to be necessary. Just like bleach, this stuff will off gas if allowed, and this can cause some accelerated rusting/corrosion on nearby items, hence the “store away from metallic items”.
If you use household bleach regularly and just rotate thorough it, most should probably be fine without anything special as it's usually still good (if unopened) around 5 to 10 years later and even when opened and then closed again, usually a year or more is no problem. Now if you are trying to have a supply you just leave for 20 to 30 years then it's a whole different thing.

It's one of the reasons after doing the whole "Survival Food" and "Survival Supplies" for quite some time, I recommend to a lot of folks that they start by just getting a lot more of what they use every day and build up a stock that they rotate through (depending on the storage life for each food / supply type).

Even when it comes to water, a lot of folks (especially us deplorables) use or have been known to use the single use plastic bottled water (Gasp!), Start off by having like 10 to 20 of the 40 pack cases in your house and rotate through them and you'll be better off than 90% of the population.
 

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my father in law (retired military) has all his canned food stored like this so ti naturally rotates, been thinking about doing this myself, then doubling what canned foods I buy



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Once upon a time I did the 5 gallon water drums with a water cooler, had no less than 10 of them on hand at all times, got tired of dealing with them and just went to buying 40 packs of the smaller bottles, I am re-thinking going back to the 5 gallon ones with the cooler setup. If you use it, and we did, that forced you to rotate through and get them filled once a month.
 

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Did a little more research on this. It appears my information was not entirely correct on this. If unopened, shelf life appears to actually decent. From what I can gather, once the seal is broken and the H2o2 is exposed to air, all bets are off, though with reasonable handling you can expect reasonable lifespan (I would replace after 6 months).

Note that I am not a chemist, so I am not sure if you can extrapolate future concentrations like this, but... based off the numbers in this paper, 10 years would not appear to be an unreasonable number (which appears to be anecdotally verified by @Jgunner ).

Edit: Would help if I linked to the paper... https://www.texwipe.com/Content/Images/uploaded/documents/Technical-Data/TechNote_Hydrogen_Peroxide_Shelf_Life.pdf

Edit:Edit: While this paper appears to demonstrate a properly constructed and documented experiment, again, I am not a chemist, and this paper does appear to have been put out by the manufacturer of said product, so, grain of salt and all that...
I have an opened one with a broken lid, been working on it for 5 years. Still kills infection, still bubbles well and is a knockoff brand. It has impressed me, but i am sure its degraded some.
 

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Not the best choice for LTS antiseptic. As mentioned, it degrades fairly quickly, as does bleach. Betadine perhaps?

Edit: See my below post on the same subject, the above statement appears to be incorrect.
I have other things too, but this is cheap and easy to stock up on.

a hiking water purifier or two goes a long way too. Good ones with a reusable stone.

i am not big on canned food. Weighs too much, goes bad in a few years and is not great forspace savings. A years worth of food can fit into a coat closet and be carried out by children, women, weak ass fags and elderly. But it needs water, but we already covered that.
To me, a month of food that fits into a 5 gallon bucket and costs 60-120 bucks is crazy convenient snd affordable. At least buy a bucket every 2 months and store them in different places. Even if you get laid off, you have food to eat that tastes decent and wasn’t much money to begin with.
 
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Folks,
We need to stop this from becoming a law. We have a great chance of this. Let's not over-react to the words of one legislator that has no authority to back his words on the threat of calling out the National Guard. All this talk of kinetic action, while interesting, isn't what we need to focus on right now.

To stop this unconstitutional bill from becoming law, consider the following analysis I just did.

HOUSE OF DELEGATES
  • 23 Democratic Delegates to the House (of the 55 total) are from counties or cities that are currently "2A Sanctuaries" (including a massive 8 from Prince William County - that is why I have been calling that County as "the key battleground").
  • Democrats only have a 5 seat majority in the House, 55 to 45.
SENATE
  • 13 Democratic Senators (of the 21 total) are from counties or cities that are currently "2A Sanctuaries" (4 from Prince William).
  • Democrats only have a 2 seat majority in the Senate, 21 to 19.
We need to focus on these 36 legislators and make it clear that their constituents want them to support the 2A. If they don't, their political careers are at risk.

DEM SENATORS from these counties are 2A Sanctuaries:
- Giles, James City, Chesapeake (city), Northampton, Hanover, Henrico, Powhatan, Prince William (x4), Dinwiddle, Brunswick, Isle of Wight, Surry, Sussex, Alleghany, Bath, Nelson, Rockbridge.

DEM DELEGATES from these counties are 2A Sanctuaries:
- Prince William (x8), Frederick, Giles, Dinwiddie (x2). Southhampton, Surry, Sussex, Lunenburg, Island of Wight, James CIty, Greensville, Franklin, Prince George, Henrico (x6), Charles City, Brunswick, Popuoson.

If you are from these counties, you are the warriors on the front line. This is where this law will be decided. At least, please get out at these events. Show up on 20 January in Richmond. Write letters to these people. Call them.

If your county hasn't voted yet, get out there. Stafford, Fauquier, Clarke, Chesterfield are massively important counties that could influence additional Democratic legislators to vote against the bill. There are other remaining counties and cities that need to go 2A friendly as well.

Thanks guys and please let's focus on stopping this bill before it gets to Northam's desk and before someone needs to think about calling out National Guard or State Police.
 

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That’s 735 gallons for 3 months supply and almost 7500 pounds of weight and I wouldn’t be storing that in my attic lol. I’m not even sure what size room you’d need to store 735 gallons of water.
Actually......
That's 6,129.9 pounds of water.
Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon.

And you'll need a tank that is 1003 cubic ft, or basically a 10'x10'x10'
tank.
There is 7.48 gallons in a cubic ft.
 

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It's a real shame because Heckler & Koch and the NRA both have operations in Northern Virginia and they can't seem to make anything happen in their own backyard.

I'm doing a little research on those 36 we need to help, trying to compile a list of which ones got campaign money from the anti-gun lobby and which ones did not. Probably easier to sway someone that's not into this fight financially.
 
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Folks,
We need to stop this from becoming a law. We have a great chance of this. Let's not over-react to the words of one legislator that has no authority to back his words on the threat of calling out the National Guard. All this talk of kinetic action, while interesting, isn't what we need to focus on right now.

To stop this unconstitutional bill from becoming law, consider the following analysis I just did.

HOUSE OF DELEGATES
  • 23 Democratic Delegates to the House (of the 55 total) are from counties or cities that are currently "2A Sanctuaries" (including a massive 8 from Prince William County - that is why I have been calling that County as "the key battleground").
  • Democrats only have a 5 seat majority in the House, 55 to 45.
SENATE
  • 13 Democratic Senators (of the 21 total) are from counties or cities that are currently "2A Sanctuaries" (4 from Prince William).
  • Democrats only have a 2 seat majority in the Senate, 21 to 19.
We need to focus on these 36 legislators and make it clear that their constituents want them to support the 2A. If they don't, their political careers are at risk.

DEM SENATORS from these counties are 2A Sanctuaries:
- Giles, James City, Chesapeake (city), Northampton, Hanover, Henrico, Powhatan, Prince William (x4), Dinwiddle, Brunswick, Isle of Wight, Surry, Sussex, Alleghany, Bath, Nelson, Rockbridge.

DEM DELEGATES from these counties are 2A Sanctuaries:
- Prince William (x8), Frederick, Giles, Dinwiddie (x2). Southhampton, Surry, Sussex, Lunenburg, Island of Wight, James CIty, Greensville, Franklin, Prince George, Henrico (x6), Charles City, Brunswick, Popuoson.

If you are from these counties, you are the warriors on the front line. This is where this law will be decided. At least, please get out at these events. Show up on 20 January in Richmond. Write letters to these people. Call them.

If your county hasn't voted yet, get out there. Stafford, Fauquier, Clarke, Chesterfield are massively important counties that could influence additional Democratic legislators to vote against the bill. There are other remaining counties and cities that need to go 2A friendly as well.

Thanks guys and please let's focus on stopping this bill before it gets to Northam's desk and before someone needs to think about calling out National Guard or State Police.
Agreed, fight smart!
War is hell, and no one wants their fellow citizens to be killed or permanently injured if there is another option.
We will not cease in our efforts to make Virginia the place we all know and love.
Politicians can be voted out, change is happening and it's about time!
 

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For me, the NRA is now the FRA - Fudd Rifle Association. They are being superseded by Grass Roots Activism. here is no time now for Fudding Around and doddering old folks to say "Now you listen!!*

It's time to stand up and say in a clear loud unison voice "No! No more infringement. We will not comply with illegal gun legislation and our county LEO backs US!" I'm so proud of the folks both here in Illinois and in Virginia and other states that have officially declared their counties 2A Sanctuaries.

We. Will. Not. Comply. Ball in your court.

VooDoo
 

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A little off subject but I want the NRA to succeed, but they need new leadership.
At it's core (WE ARE) the gun organizations, that's what gets to me.
Politicians act like GOA, VCDL and the NRA are just organizations.

I don't agree with the fudds in the NRA, yet it is the most well known and longest gun rights organization.

All in all, don't destroy the NRA, rebuild it with real patriots!
 

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If you use household bleach regularly and just rotate thorough it, most should probably be fine without anything special as it's usually still good (if unopened) around 5 to 10 years later and even when opened and then closed again, usually a year or more is no problem.
If you use bleach regularly, and rotate your stock, you are probably right. However, you need to be aware of the limitations. If you are intending to use this for disinfection purposes, you need to know your concentrations to ensure effectiveness.

Again, not a chemist, but I think you are looking at something like a 20% drop in strength during the first year of storage, for an unopened bottle for full strength bleach. The more dilute your bleach mixture, the more unstable, and therefore the faster it loses potency. This means, at the absolute best, you can expect a 5 year shelf life, probably less as the solution becomes more and dilute and therefore less and less stable.

You can prove this out to yourself. Stick your nose to a bottle of fresh pool-shock and you will regret doing so, take a whiff a year later and there is only a mild odor of chlorine.

I don’t want to derail this thread any further, just want to make sure people don’t end up sick someday. Everyone should do their own research and be sure they are confident they understand this stuff if they intend to at any point put any of this stuff into practice.
 

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Seems to me the NRA stands to make a bunch of money if they would pull their head outta their ass
 

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Seems to me the NRA stands to make a bunch of money if they would pull their head outta their ass
Sad thing is that is the only thing they care about any more. Have you seen what they live in as well as what they buy with your money. If it were any other org there would be people in jail for the shit they do with your money,...
 

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Those leftists want everyone to bend to their will and accept the anti-gun liberal agenda. If you are a LEO and recognize an unconstitutional law when you see it? “You’ll never work in this town again.”

They really don’t care how many people will be in harms way.

“HOW DARE YOU talk about the Constitution when there’s tyranny to be dispensed upon the “little people” who haven’t buckled under for us. We make the laws around here! We are GODS! Just ask us.”
 

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A little off subject but I want the NRA to succeed, but they need new leadership.
At it's core (WE ARE) the gun organizations, that's what gets to me.
Politicians act like GOA, VCDL and the NRA are just organizations.

I don't agree with the fudds in the NRA, yet it is the most well known and longest gun rights organization.

All in all, don't destroy the NRA, rebuild it with real patriots!
NRA is political in nature and has compromised gun rights in America by debating gun rights with the very same asshats that want to disarm us. Doing this turns our God Given Rights into a litigation procedure which automatically reduces gun rights by its very nature of compromise by both parties. Except the opposing party "Politicians" is not losing anything and has everything to gain as in more gun control. You entering into a losing case if your the gun owner, they say we are wining cases but wining means reduced magazine capacity and restrictions on type of guns you can own and if you can even take guns out of your home kicking the can down the road to eventual confiscation.

I guess since we live in a civil society people want to follow the corrupt laws written by corrupt politicians to abide by the rules in their game. Otherwise we would have to fight to keep our God Given Rights where no one would restrict your rights as a free man.

We have yet to follow the instructions laid out for us in our Constitution since our Rights are being infringed upon so maybe it's time to start over. This everyday push to infringe on the 2nd Amendment and our God Given Rights to defend ourselves is not going away anytime soon, in fact it will only get worst. POTUS has said this many times, they want to remove the 2nd Amendment.

If you believe a magazine subscription to the NRA will stop liberal democrats from taking your gun rights then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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Dems will fold, watch and see...
As long as we stand together, we will prevail.
I'm not giving up or giving in!

Dems were brilliant though exploiting the NRA weaknesses to divide gun owners.
Unite and fight, that is and will always be the way to win!
 

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So let me get this straight.

They ignore the Constitution and introduce bills that make the confiscations of 1775 look like nothing
Then the make no grandfather clause or any other "concession" to freedom
Then when folks stand up and join with their sheriff to say no, they want to call out the military to do their dirty work
Then they introduce a law to fire any LE who fulfills their oath and stands for law and right

Wow. They really don't seem to understand that you can only push folks so far. They really are willing to go all the way for this. Wow.
 

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Sounds like Michael Bloomberg turn Virginia into Nazi Germany, man you guys are really screwed.
 

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Pictures and addresses of the traitorous politicians need to be posted everywhere.

Church bulletin boards, tack shops, gun stores, bars, etc.


If you can afford billboards then put up “ Northam is a baby-killing Nazi” or “Democrats want us dead”
 

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Fuck taking pictures you better start mobilizing civilian militias before Governor Blackface actually sticks his dick in your asses.
I already said like weeks ago, after all this first came out, that they should be in front of their offices and homes and anywhere else, armed with a show of force. They aren’t going to understand anything different. They clearly think they have the power and the law on their side, and there isnt anyone else in government saying otherwise. This needs major attention, that’s how you get attention. As I said, they can pass whatever they want. Clearly they don’t understand their oaths. These current proposed laws do not pass constitutional muster.
 
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