URSA 3000 Yard Challenge (2019) - info & course of fire

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URSA 3000 Yard Challenge (2019) - info & course of fire

If you want to possibly shoot the 3K, please read all the way to the bottom of this announcement - online registration is required!

Date:
Sunday, April 28, 2019 (a week later than normal due to Easter)

Place: URSA SoCal venue (where we normally shoot - Barstow, CA area)

Objective: Provide an opportunity for the shooters who qualify (see below) to competitively engage steel at approximately 3135 yards (and possibly further) and win a small remembrance of the accomplishment.

Qualification: Shooters qualify who, during regular, monthly URSA event qualification or record shooting from October 2018 through April 27, 2019, score five (5) or more hits in 10 consecutive shots at 2000 or more yards. However, since SoCal has been down since last April (still looking for new Match Director and target/gear maintainer/trans porter), and NorCal has been down since last June (due to venue closures - fires and foliage recovery), the day-before drill will be expanded (see below) – these will be the ONLY 3K qualification opportunities.

Pre-3K Activities on Saturday, April 27th

AM Session
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We will setup the range at 2080 and 2630 yards (in the dark) and conduct the "regular" April URSA SoCal event - we start shooting at sunrise. This will be the "AM session". The range will then be secured (be cold) until approximately 1.5 hours before sunset (weather underground projection). See FAQ 13 for info and CoF for the AM session, https://www.unlimitedrange.org/operations.html Also see "NOTES for the 3K.g", below.

PM Session:

Shooters who did NOT shoot in the morning (AM session) will then have an opportunity to qualify for the 3K (at 2080 yards). This second Saturday session is here referred to as the "PM session".

There will be no shooting beyond 2080 in the PM. The PM session is ONLY to get shooters qualified for the 3K, NOT to provide practice at longer distances. Those shooters wanting an opportunity to earn a chance to shoot beyond 2080, need to arrange their schedules and travel to shoot the AM event - where, based on their and other shooter's performance, that opportunity may happen. Be well advised, the wind gets MUCH worse after early AM.

This PM session will run the same way as a regular SoCal monthly event (see FAQ 13), save for not going beyond 2080, thus mimicking a regular monthly event up to that point. Basically, for the PM session, at least 3 in 10 to "qualify" to shoot "record" and then 5 in 10, or better, to qualify for the 3K. If a shooter gets 5 in 10, or better, during the "qualification" or "record" portion of this PM "3K qualification" session, they do not need to shoot further, they are qualified for the 3K - saving ammo for a possible Sudden Death on Sunday. The range will then be secured (be cold) until the 3K the next day.

Activities on Sunday, April 28, 2019:

The URSA 3000 Yard Challenge (2019):


The 3K will be shot substantially like other monthly URSA events except that:

(1) there will only be three (3) “practice” shots (actually, 0-3, shooter’s choice),

(2) no event-specific qualification round (qualification having been done the prior day),

(3) “practice” and the initial record round will be shot at 2630 yards (approx),

(4) “practice” will be immediately followed by record-round shooting, each shooter, one after the other – i.e., each shooter will take up to 3 “practice” shots (#1, above) and then, immediately, up to 10 record-round shots before moving on to the next shooter, and

(5) even if a shooter has qualified with more than one rifle, they will only be able to shoot one rifle during the 3K (i.e., they will only have one position in the shooting lineup) – see “Clarification” (below).

NOTES for the 3K:

a. IF the shooter does not want to shoot the allowed 3 shots during any “practice”, the shooter MUST notify the Match Director/MD of that BEFORE taking their first “practice” shot at that distance, and the MD must confirm back to the shooter that “shooter is shooting X practice shots.”

b. The shooter does NOT have to shoot all 10 record-round shots (e.g., they want to conserve ammo for a possible Sudden Death). IF that is the case, the shooter MUST notify the MD that they are through shooting at that distance, and the MD must confirm back to the shooter that “shooter has stopped shooting at (distance), unload and show clear (remove your bolt).”

c. Normal URSA event scenario - we will only be shooting at 3135 (approx), or beyond, IF two or more shooters score at least 4 hits in 10 consecutive, record-round shots at the prior distance. Thus no one is guaranteed to shoot for record at 3135, or beyond, on Sunday.

d. IF we have two or more shooters who score at least 4 hits in 10 consecutive record-round shots at 3135, we will set a target at approx 3613 yards and shoot that distance – continuing to move out in distance until we fail to have at least two shooters scoring at least 4 in 10 at each distance. [Each new distance is approximately 500 yards further down range than the last.]

e. Final distance “ties” will be settled by way of Sudden Death. If there is a tie for Winner, there will be a Sudden Death and the loser will be Runner-Up. If there is a Winner and a tie for Runner-Up, there will be a Sudden Death to decide Runner-Up.

f. Shooters are allowed one (1) spotter. Because of the limited parking, it is assumed that the spotter will travel to the event with the shooter. Spotters, of course, can also be shooters.

g. The ONLY non-shooter/non-spotter persons to be accommodated at the 3K (or the Saturday sessions) MUST be traveling with the shooter - again because of limited parking. And, PLEASE, no persons under 18 unless there is a non-shooter/non-spotter person to "watch" that individual (also traveling with the shooter). ALL attendees MUST sign the liability form.

Clarification:


While URSA “rules” note that a shooter may shoot more than one rifle during an event (each such use equating to a separate shooter/rifle combo and thus allowing a shooter to have more than one “position” in the shooter lineup), during the 3K only one rifle per shooter will be allowed and the same rifle must be used during the entirety of the 3K. [The intend from the very beginning (of URSA) was to have shooters shoot more than one rifle to demonstrate competence with more than one rifle. It also helps shooters with more than one rifle sort out which is best for each shooting scenario. The 3K is for qualified shooters, not shooter/rifle combos. Please also note that the shooter does not need to shoot the 3K with the rifle they qualified with – again, the shooter is qualified, not the shooter/rifle combo.]

Remembrance of This Event.

Everyone that qualifies for and actually shoots the 3K will receive an “official” URSA event t-shirt. These t-shirts will include the URSA logo and one of the following “messages”:

“I qualified for and shot the URSA 3000 Yard Challenge, April 28, 2019” (black logo and text on white)

“I was Runner-Up at the URSA 3000 Yard Challenge, April 28, 2019” (black logo and text on silver/gray)

“I Won the URSA 3000 Yard Challenge, April 28, 2019” (white text on bright orange – closest available to “gold”)

T-shirt size and “ship to” info will be recorded at the event and the t-shirts shipped accordingly.

There will be no “I was there” or other t-shirts provided or offered.

Conclusion:

"Registered" shooters will receive a detailed info sheet (details of where we shoot, how to get there, etc) by e-mail on Wednesday, April 24th, evening. See the last item, below, regarding "registration".

If you've been looking for an incentive to shoot with us, this may be it. Hope you’ll give it a try.

Those unfamiliar with URSA are referred to www.unlimitedrange.org, in particular, to http://www.unlimitedrange.org/operations.html and FAQ 13, the normal, monthly, course of fire.

ALL wishing to attempt to qualify for the 3K, or simply to shoot the monthly event on Saturday the 27th, need to "register" using the link to the online form ("Online Liability Release and Build Sheet (form) for shooter") at the top of https://www.unlimitedrange.org/activity event schedule.html In "Event Description" please identify whether you are signing up for the AM event/session or PM session. In that regard, per ongoing SoCal practice, IF there are not at least five (5) shooters signed up for the monthly event (AM event/session), there will be no AM event, only the PM (exactly as described above). Thanks for understanding.

ALL other attendees (i.e., those allowed as noted above), need to "register" using the online form "Online Liability Release (form) for non-shooters", same page. In the "Status" field please identify whether you are a spotter or "other", in either case, traveling with which NAMED shooter. Thanks.
 
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Hey Oscar,

Can a shooter shoot both the AM and PM session to qualify, lets say they dont qualify in the AM?

Would you consider grandfathering in the Winner and the Runner Up from last years event as Pre-Qualified?

Is there a maximum round count?

Thanks!
 

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Hey Oscar,

Can a shooter shoot both the AM and PM session to qualify, lets say they dont qualify in the AM?

Would you consider grandfathering in the Winner and the Runner Up from last years event as Pre-Qualified?

Is there a maximum round count?

Thanks!
Scott:

As noted at the beginning of the "PM Session" description, "Shooters who did NOT shoot in the morning (AM session)...", so, no, AM or PM, not both.

Each event is a standalone, so, no grandfathering. Had we had the help needed in SoCal from last October, there would have been several opportunities to qualify for the 3K.

Unclear about "max round count" - please review FAQ 13. Sat AM - max of 10 "practice" (up to 7 + up to 3), plus max 10 to qualify for shooting record at 2080, plus max 10 to shoot record (if qualified during qualification). So the "max" for Sat AM, for 2080, would be 30 rounds, assuming the shooter qualified for 2080 during the qualification round and shot every possible opportunity. [Qual at 2080 only requires 3 in 10.] Beyond that, shooters who shoot at least 4 in 10 during any distance record round get up to 3 practice shots at each next further distance, then up to 10 at that next further distance. The "up to" is because the shooter can decline to shoot all their possible rounds at each phase - beyond the minimum to qualify to shoot record round at 2080 and beyond the minimum to advance to the next distance (4 hits in up to 10 shots). If you are (unlikely) referring to Sudden Death, Sudden Death typically goes until shooters run out of ammo. All this to suggest that if you plan on shooting the AM session, bring at least 30 rounds if you expect to do poorly and up to 100 (or more) you expect to shoot very well and that there will be a very long Sudden Death. As for Sunday, which requires that you have qualified on Sat, I'd bring 50 rounds. All depends on your confidence level and how well you expect others to shoot. Hope some part of this answered your question. If not, please clarify. Looking forward to seeing you and several of the Southwest ULR crew.
 
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I think he wants to know if you attempt to qualify on saturday morning and if your not successful can you then attempt to qualify again in the afternoon?
 

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I think he wants to know if you attempt to qualify on saturday morning and if your not successful can you then attempt to qualify again in the afternoon?
Lynn - I understood the question (as you described it) and I answered that, "As noted at the beginning of the "PM Session" description, "Shooters who did NOT shoot in the morning (AM session)...", so, no, AM or PM, not both." The whole idea of providing a PM session is to help the folks that have the seriously ugly drive from NorCal - or mid-AZ or similar distances.

Since PM is NOT ideal for qualifying (higher wind speeds), the full event drill is included in the AM on Sat...AND then starting at daylight on Sunday. Trying to make do without the "normal" monthly events is a bummer. Travel time and normal-life schedule concerns are simply the reality - even for us out west.
 

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Scott:

As noted at the beginning of the "PM Session" description, "Shooters who did NOT shoot in the morning (AM session)...", so, no, AM or PM, not both.

Each event is a standalone, so, no grandfathering. Had we had the help needed in SoCal from last October, there would have been several opportunities to qualify for the 3K.

Unclear about "max round count" - please review FAQ 13. Sat AM - max of 10 "practice" (up to 7 + up to 3), plus max 10 to qualify for shooting record at 2080, plus max 10 to shoot record (if qualified during qualification). So the "max" for Sat AM, for 2080, would be 30 rounds, assuming the shooter qualified for 2080 during the qualification round and shot every possible opportunity. [Qual at 2080 only requires 3 in 10.] Beyond that, shooters who shoot at least 4 in 10 during any distance record round get up to 3 practice shots at each next further distance, then up to 10 at that next further distance. The "up to" is because the shooter can decline to shoot all their possible rounds at each phase - beyond the minimum to qualify to shoot record round at 2080 and beyond the minimum to advance to the next distance (4 hits in up to 10 shots). If you are (unlikely) referring to Sudden Death, Sudden Death typically goes until shooters run out of ammo. All this to suggest that if you plan on shooting the AM session, bring at least 30 rounds if you expect to do poorly and up to 100 (or more) you expect to shoot very well and that there will be a very long Sudden Death. As for Sunday, which requires that you have qualified on Sat, I'd bring 50 rounds. All depends on your confidence level and how well you expect others to shoot. Hope some part of this answered your question. If not, please clarify. Looking forward to seeing you and several of the Southwest ULR crew.
Thanks for the reply, you answered my questions.
 

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It was a concern for the NorCal shooters as well.
Normally we would shoot 5-7 matches and be pre-qualified before heading south.
This time we are making the journey hoping our gear and ourselves are up to it without any matches so far.
We had 600,000 acres burn in two years and last week we had record amounts of rain.
We are desperate just to get back to shooting again.
 

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Oscar,
Since no one has qualified for the 3000 yd challenge in the last year, hoping for a morning session and maybe an afternoon session to qualify is a bit extreme. Your original rules (2016) state 4 out of 10 qualifies for entry and at the same time having a years worth of matches to qualify. A 2 hour time slot and 5 out of 10 seems a bit harsh given previous years qualifications have shrunk because of unforeseen problems. I am not going to drive a 1000 mile round trip and hope the weather gods will provide me the opportunity to look mediocre.
 
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Oscar,
Since no one has qualified for the 3000 yd challenge in the last year, hoping for a morning session and maybe an afternoon session to qualify is a bit extreme. Your original rules (2016) state 4 out of 10 qualifies for entry and at the same time having a years worth of matches to qualify. A 2 hour time slot and 5 out of 10 seems a bit harsh given previous years qualifications have shrunk because of unforeseen problems. I am not going to drive a 1000 mile round trip and hope the weather gods will provide me the opportunity to look mediocre.
Hoffer - it was 4 in 10 the first year to qualify for the 3K, last year that was upped to 5 in 10 (see the URSA News page item from 31 Mar 2018 (the 2018 3K announcement) here . That's as it is now (for 2019, 3rd year). 4 in 10 is to advance from one distance to the next, all events.

I have spoken at length with Lynn and he has tired repeatedly to get another NorCal venue while waiting on the regular NorCal venue to open back up, no luck. As I've suggested before, find traveling partners to share the load. In the future, possibly a NorCal location can be found for a 3K, second event. As you know, the current NorCal venue can be shot at 3000+ yards, shooters "just" have to earn the opportunity...if the venue is "open". Reality sucks! Seriously hope you will find a traveling partner and join us. Best!
 

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Do we need to register twice? Once for Saturday and once for Sunday on the chance we get in, or is one registration sufficient for the two day event?
Bill - one (1) registration, just for Saturday, regular match (AM session) or PM session. Please try to convince Kurt and Robert to join us. Thanks. [BTW, Carlos was the first to sign up.]
 

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I just signed up and I think I wrote AM in.
I put Hoffer as my spotter so I hope he shows up.
I also put down my 375/50BMG because I am not sure if we can bring two guns?
 

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If you get your final achievement point at 2000+ yards you will then need 6 out of 10 at 2500+ yards to get your next achievement point.
 
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I also put down my 375/50BMG because I am not sure if we can bring two guns?
Lynn - in case your question is about how many guns per shooter on Sat, I'd like to keep it down to two (2) - give other shooters max access to the best environmentals. As noted in the OP, only one (1) can be used for the 3K itself. I suggest you also bring "big red", just in case the new gear doesn't like SoCal.
 
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If you get your final achievement point at 2000+ yards you will then need 6 out of 10 at 2500+ yards to get your next achievement point.
Bill - yes, one more target and you will be the 5th shooter to earn Novice status.

Lynn - yes, going up to "Shooter" level will take at least 6 in 10 for each of five (5) targets at 2500 or more..
 
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If you shoot two rifles, do you have to shoot them in the same session? Or could you shoot one rifle in am and one in afternoon. I know that question was asked (sort of). But I think what they were asking is could you shoot same rifle twice.

I just wanted to get clarification on that. Thank you.
 

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If you shoot two rifles, do you have to shoot them in the same session? Or could you shoot one rifle in am and one in afternoon. I know that question was asked (sort of). But I think what they were asking is could you shoot same rifle twice.

I just wanted to get clarification on that. Thank you.
Bill - on Saturday there are two sessions, the AM ("regular" monthly SoCal event) and PM (for those that did NOT shoot in the AM session). A shooter shoots in the AM session OR the PM session, not both. So if a shooter fields two rifles on Saturday, he/she shoots them in their session (AM OR PM). On Sunday (3K) only one rifle, same rifle (shooter's choice - could even be a third rifle) throughout that event. Best!
 
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My thinking behind the two rifles is my 338 Lapua Ackley Improved shoots very well at 2000 but is virtually useless at 3K.
The 375/50BMG is better at 3K but with a 400 round barrel life I would like to limit the number of rounds down it at a single match
I don't know his hide name but the NorCal shooter with the 375 SnipeTac has his gun all dialed in.
 
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Thanks for the clarification.

I think I’m just gonna live and die with my Cheytac. I have a conversion for 50 BMG, but I don’t like switching back and forth once I’m dialed in. Probably more superstition than anything, but I was just pondering it....looking forward to shooting with you guys!