Urban Measurements

Feb 28, 2013
I was hoping to start a thread that we can all use to estimate distance using mildots in an urban area. For example how tall a fire hydrant is, ups truck height and length, typical size tires on a car, mailbox, licence plate, standard window, telephone pole, light pole, stop sign, red light height and width. I'm sure you get my drift. Maybe then expand it out to rural areas cattle, tractor, barn, etc. I would like to complied a list. So I'm hoping people will start carrying a tape measure with them and measure things through out the day.
Aug 14, 2014
Car tires, mailboxes, windows, telephone/light poles will all vary in any urban setting. Your best bet would be to look at a standard door height because that will probably be more constant.

Traffic signs and license plates would probably be the most consistent.
Sep 16, 2009
Seriously, all that type information is well known is urban sniper circles. Most data cards and books list it.


Sergeant of the Hide
Nov 27, 2017

All of these list are already compiled.
DOT for all road sign information.
Vehicle manufacturers spec sheets for headlight, windshield, windows and taillight specs. You cannot go with their listed specs on wheels and tires since they are always changed out.
Etc Etc
You would not have enough space in a call out vehicle to store the binders if all these list were printed out but luckily internet is wireless and takes up pretty much no space but yet provides all the data you are seeking.

Jan 25, 2010
Out West

I know where some of these "25 pounders" are for sale lol.

Does this mean I have to make my way around the mini maze of a town without anyone telling on us and then run into an occupied building just so I can get the exact coords on my Garmin wrist GPS because some air conditioned faggot didn't want to 'shoot up the wrong neighborhood', again?
Interesting to note that nobody is known to have ever used Mil-Dot type passive ranging to figure distance to a target in U.S. domestic law enforcement circles. At least not in the last 30 years covered by some surveys. Neither has anyone ever used Mil-Dots to hold off elevation or wind or lead on a target in the same time frame.

If your agency has explosive entry capability, there is value in knowing how to reverse Mil features on buildings so you can feed your TL dimensions on a door, window, etc. In these cases you are taking LRF readings to give you physical dimensions.

Being able to passively range a target or use Mil holds for wind or elevation could be super important in Mil environments for sure but far less so in L.E.

Knowing how to mil and having an idea of a few standard size objects should be in the tool box of all L.E. sniper/FO guys but we do not burn up too much time in any of our courses milling targets a 1K, etc. With tons of dependable, small and accurate LRFs available, we push their use as primary data sources.

Even the smallest departments have been using basic LRFs as standard kit for the last 2 decades.

Possibly something to consider before putting too much stress into the project. Most of what you need is already out there via NTOA and ASA circles.
Not trying to diss your effort. Just sharing opinions.

Be safe.

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