They're really harping on the federal workers not getting paid.

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Apparently attention to detail isn't a strong suit of yours. I have been here for a few years now.

BTW, I called both of OUR senators today, did you?
Apparently, math isn't one of your strong suits. How do you come up with "a few years now", when your enlistment date is May of 2017 ? Not that I put any creedance in anyone's start date anyway.

And, what did you call your Senators when you called them today ? "Timmy" ? Did you ask them if they liked Gladiator movies ?

Do you have a point you are trying to make, or are you just being another bitch that we see about every two weeks or so ? Not that I care. (attempted) shit stirrers like you tend to be called out pretty quickly here, hence your rebuke.
 
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It must be one hell of a feedback loop for you anti-government types. I feel for you, I really do.

All your hyperbolic circle jerking gets all fucked up when you realize that the government workers you hate, are the very ones keeping out all those "towel heads" and "wet backs", and doing shit like enforcing national borders, and therefore, national sovereignty.
So because we spend money on security that doesnt work (as proven by our current state of affairs) we should spread our cheeks and accept it rather than demand trying something different?

Who pays your lube expenses?
 
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Apparently, math isn't one of your strong suits. How do you come up with "a few years now", when your enlistment date is May of 2017 ? Not that I put any creedance in anyone's start date anyway.

And, what did you call your Senators when you called them today ? "Timmy" ? Did you ask them if they liked Gladiator movies ?

Do you have a point you are trying to make, or are you just being another bitch that we see about every two weeks or so ? Not that I care. (attempted) shit stirrers tend to be called out pretty quickly here, hence your rebuke.
I guess I am duly rebuked then.
 

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So because we spend money on security that doesnt work (as proven by our current state of affairs) we should spread our cheeks and accept it rather than demand trying something different?

Who pays your lube expenses?
Remind me to reorder a fresh stock of blindfolds and cheap cigarettes. Do we need to replace the post yet?

(I kid, I kid?)
 

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So because we spend money on security that doesnt work (as proven by our current state of affairs) we should spread our cheeks and accept it rather than demand trying something different?

Who pays your lube expenses?
I think you are confused.

I was simply making fun of the incongruity of wanting border security and a border wall, while simultaneously denigrating the government employees providing that border security...and currently doing it without pay.

I never cease to be amazed at the size of the holes in logic that the truly rabid are willing to overlook to hold on to thier world view.
 

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I think you are confused.

I was simply making fun of the incongruity of wanting border security and a border wall, while simultaneously denigrating the government employees providing that border security...and currently doing it without pay.

I never cease to be amazed at the size of the holes in logic that the truly rabid are willing to overlook to hold on to thier world view.
Not all govt workers are being denigrated - BP, USCG - are important services and I want them working. Dems could have them working tomorrow but like Obama putting fences around static monuments they want to increase the pain.

I think National Park workers are necessary if its so that visitors are trashing the places. It will cost millions unfucking that mess.

Why can we give Mexico, and the countries of the isthmus billions but 6 billion for a wall to keep the people down there to use the money we give them is not appropriate.

The dems own this.

edit add - I realize BP and USCG are working I want them paid for their vital work.
 
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I think you are confused.

I was simply making fun of the incongruity of wanting border security and a border wall, while simultaneously denigrating the government employees providing that border security...and currently doing it without pay.

I never cease to be amazed at the size of the holes in logic that the truly rabid are willing to overlook to hold on to thier world view.
I think you're just making mountains of a technical molehill. As crooked shitbags high up in office would say, in this case, there's no "there" there.
 

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Not all govt workers are being denigrated - BP, USCG - are important services and I want them working. Dems could have them working tomorrow but like Obama putting fences around static monuments they want to increase the pain.

I think National Park workers are necessary if its so that visitors are trashing the places. It will cost millions unfucking that mess.

Why can we give Mexico, and the countries of the isthmus billions but 6 billion for a wall to keep the people down there to use the money we give them is not appropriate.

The dems own this.
The reason they want the money flowing out to these "needy" countries as it flows back in portion in the hands of lobbyists to political funds.
A kind of triangle trade in the fleecing of American tax dollars.

R
 

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Interesting thread.

Seems those with the least knowledge about a subject have the strongest opinions.

Imagine working for a company with 2 CEOs, of polar opposite mindset, who trade being in charge and writing your companies policies every few years, policies that are near impossible to change. Each gets to hire like-minded upper management when its his or her turn to run things.

Its pretty easy to bitch about how poorly our government functions. The other half of the US population is bitching too. And half of our government represents their interests. Unless either one half of the country or the other half starts voting differently, this shit wont stop.

And im not talking about 51 republicans and 49 democrats. A near 50/50 split of people who detest everything the other half stands for. This half socialist and half capitalist government is working exactly the way any reasonable minded person would expect it to work. Not at all.

The border wall idea is loved by half the government, and their constituents, and despised by the other half.

Border agents get the absurd responsibility of trying to please both halves of the American population, and their elected representatives.

Every few years they get to work for a boss who wants them standing next to a cactus on the border handing out carne asada burritos and welcome to America packets, while following the previous guys policy of: hey!, go catch those fuckers!

Then a few years later, the opposite.
 
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The reason they want the money flowing out to these "needy" countries as it flows back in portion in the hands of lobbyists to political funds.
A kind of triangle trade in the fleecing of American tax dollars.

R
I get it.

Just look how vicente fox squeals when we talk of our security.

BUY MORE AMMO.
 
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Interesting thread.

Seems those with the least knowledge about a subject have the strongest opinions.

Imagine working for a company with 2 CEOs, of polar opposite mindset, who trade being in charge and writing your companies policies every few years, policies that are near impossible to change. Each gets to hire like-minded upper management when its his or her turn to run things.

Its pretty easy to bitch about how poorly our government functions. The other half of the US population is bitching too. And half of our government represents their interests. Unless either one half of the country or the other half starts voting differently, this shit wont stop.

And im not talking about 51 republicans and 49 democrats. A near 50/50 split of people who detest everything the other half stands for. This half socialist and half capitalist government is working exactly the way any reasonable minded person would expect it to work. Not at all.

The border wall idea is loved by half the government, and their constituents, and despised by the other half.

Border agents get the absurd responsibility of trying to please both halves of the American population, and their elected representatives.

Every few years they get to work for a boss who wants them standing next to a cactus on the border handing out carne asada burritos and welcome to America packets, while following the previous guys policy of: hey!, go catch those fuckers!

Then a few years later, the opposite.

Its not supposed to be that way.

What makes the US different is Rule of Law.

The law as currently written exactly states what is supposed to happen and how immigration works.

Enforce the law no problem.

Problem is "selective" enforcement based on political desires.

If we want to change our immigration system change the laws - dont ignore them.

Our immigration system isnt broken - its not being enforced - if the general consensus is to want open borders and free flow migration than change the laws.

Only the law makers want these things and they no that if they state it out right the people will be pissed.......so they ignore the laws and our desires.

who works for whom?

The laws are still the same despite the CEO, he is sworn to enforce the laws on the books. If Congress had any balls they would change the law not blame the CEO for enforcing it.
 

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I've got two tax stamps waiting on those derelicts at the ATF to approve. It occurs to me that those fuckers are probably sitting on their couches, eating cheetos, and watching the price is right instead of reviewing those forms. Fuck! End the shutdown.
 

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Yes, the law as written is one thing. A written and enforceable policy of non-enforcement of some laws, and portions of other laws, and then an also enforceable supreme court ruling nulling some portions of each, and mandating things not written into any law or policy, will keep people guessing.

And all at the behest of two polar opposite halves of the electorate.

We live in interesting times indeed! Must've been how a Roman citizen felt during their last couple centuries.

Perhaps in 2036 when Apophis 2007PA8 swings around again, itll reset a few things😉
 

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seriously, name one thing the govt has done that is actually good and successful?
As a Federal employee, I conceived of and led a project that lowered the cost of delivery of goods by almost 70%. This for a nationwide drinking water-related program that had overspent for over 20 years.

If you like pure drinking water, then this should qualify as good and successful.
 
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I've got two tax stamps waiting on those derelicts at the ATF to approve. It occurs to me that those fuckers are probably sitting on their couches, eating cheetos, and watching the price is right instead of reviewing those forms. Fuck! End the shutdown.
The real question is: Why do you have to pay 200 dollar stamp for a baffled tube with threads on one end?
The definition of being made to jump through hoops.

R
 

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Yes, the law as written is one thing. A written and enforceable policy of non-enforcement of some laws, and portions of other laws, and then an also enforceable supreme court ruling nulling some portions of each, and mandating things not written into any law or policy, will keep people guessing.

And all at the behest of two polar opposite halves of the electorate.

We live in interesting times indeed! Must've been how a Roman citizen felt during their last couple centuries.

Perhaps in 2036 when Apophis 2007PA8 swings around again, itll reset a few things😉
They have no right to ignore law.

They swear an oath to uphold the law.

Courts have no right to make law. They only vet the law to ensure it complies Constitutionally. Quote chapter and verse where the executive cant enforce written already vetted law.

They should all be recalled.
 

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They have no right to ignore law.

They swear an oath to uphold the law.

Courts have no right to make law. They only vet the law to ensure it complies Constitutionally. Quote chapter and verse where the executive cant enforce written already vetted law.

They should all be recalled.

Oh i definitely agree with you, but that wont make anyone listen.

Quoting chapter and verse would require me spend more time than id like looking up the chapters and verses. But, ill give the first examples that come to mind.

The president has the statutory authority to regulate who can be legally admitted into the United States. When he tried to enact a policy restricting people from certain terrorist harboring countries, the policy was ruled unconstitutional.

The president, via his attorney general, has the statutority authority to enforce federal law. Specifically, in this case, immigration law. To arrest and in any way punish an illegal alien who has a child in tow, requires either the child be locked up with the parent (ruled unconstitutional) or the child seperated from the parent while the parent is incarcerated (ruled unconstitutional).

So, if its illegal (legal according to statute, but not according to court ruling) to seperate the child from the parent, and its illegal to put the child in jail too, that only leaves one possibility.

If your a law enforcement officer, and it has been ruled unconstitutional for you to detain someone, then doing so anyway is a felony.

No law enforcement officer wants to be arrested for kidnapping because his interpretation differs from the court. If the law enforcement officer claims "i was upholding my oath", and the court replies "we are the final arbiters of the meaning of your oath", then the rest of the world, and all of its enforcement authority sides with the court.

Because, the federal court system has their own enforcement branch, and a monopoly on the issuing of arrest warrants.
 
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The real question is: Why do you have to pay 200 dollar stamp for a baffled tube with threads on one end?
The definition of being made to jump through hoops.

R
If the shutdown in question were addressing that issue I'd be more on board. But, as the partial shutdown's closure of national monuments partially fucked up my holiday vacation and is continuing to delay my stamps (and those of others as well) I'm not really that excited about it. Add to that the likely fact that those furloughed will get back pay once the shutdown is over, and this is all just so much kabuki theater. If the fuckers are going to get paid anyway, I'd like them to be working.
 

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Oh i definitely agree with you, but that wont make anyone listen.

Quoting chapter and verse would require me spend more time than id like looking up the chapters and verses. But, ill give the first examples that come to mind.

The president has the statutory authority to regulate who can be legally admitted into the United States. When he tried to enact a policy restricting people from certain terrorist harboring countries, the policy was ruled unconstitutional.

The president, via his attorney general, has the statutority authority to enforce federal law. Specifically, in this case, immigration law. To arrest and in any way punish an illegal alien who has a child in tow, requires either the child be locked up with the parent (ruled unconstitutional) or the child seperated from the parent while the parent is incarcerated (ruled unconstitutional). So, if its illegal (legal according to statute, but not according to court ruling) seperate the child from the parent, and its illegal to put the child in jail to, that only leaves the option of releasing them.

Washington warned us of letting party politics over ride Constitutional governance.

These things you speak of are exactly that in action.

We should not accept or just say "Whoa is me it will never change"

Much of the problem is a media that is corrupt and controls the information flow to the vast middle.

The swamp knows exactly what it does is unconstitutional it does so anyway with the knowledge the media will cover.
 
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Oh i definitely agree with you, but that wont make anyone listen.

Quoting chapter and verse would require me spend more time than id like looking up the chapters and verses. But, ill give the first examples that come to mind.

The president has the statutory authority to regulate who can be legally admitted into the United States. When he tried to enact a policy restricting people from certain terrorist harboring countries, the policy was ruled unconstitutional.

The president, via his attorney general, has the statutority authority to enforce federal law. Specifically, in this case, immigration law. To arrest and in any way punish an illegal alien who has a child in tow, requires either the child be locked up with the parent (ruled unconstitutional) or the child seperated from the parent while the parent is incarcerated (ruled unconstitutional). So, if its illegal (legal according to statute, but not according to court ruling) seperate the child from the parent, and its illegal to put the child in jail to, that only leaves one possibility.

If your a law enforcement officer, and it has been ruled unconstitutional for you to detain someone, then doing so anyway is a felony.

No law enforcement officer wants to be arrested for kidnapping because his interpretation differs from the court.

Because, the federal court system has their own enforcement branch, and a monopoly on the issuing of arrest warrants.
Catch and release. Catch them then Release them- on the Mexican side of the boarder...
 

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Oh i definitely agree with you, but that wont make anyone listen.

Quoting chapter and verse would require me spend more time than id like looking up the chapters and verses. But, ill give the first examples that come to mind.

The president has the statutory authority to regulate who can be legally admitted into the United States. When he tried to enact a policy restricting people from certain terrorist harboring countries, the policy was ruled unconstitutional.

The president, via his attorney general, has the statutority authority to enforce federal law. Specifically, in this case, immigration law. To arrest and in any way punish an illegal alien who has a child in tow, requires either the child be locked up with the parent (ruled unconstitutional) or the child seperated from the parent while the parent is incarcerated (ruled unconstitutional). So, if its illegal (legal according to statute, but not according to court ruling) seperate the child from the parent, and its illegal to put the child in jail to, that only leaves the option of releasing them.
Is anybody else grokking the disconnect?

Come with child and keep together .......... unconstitutional incarceration

Come with child and separate ................... unconstitutional incarceration

Illegal immigration: it's for the children?

If someone defiantly trespasses in the company of minor children, they're locked up and arrangements are made for the kids.

Illegal immigration is simply defiant trespass on a grand scale. We, the ones here with paperwork, lawfully, are the injured parties, and without adequate border controls government does nothing to safeguard our interests.

How fucking blindly stupid does one have to be not to make the connection?
 

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Totally agree. The only solution to the clusterfuck the leftist judges have created is to not allow them on our soil in the first place. The fucked Fed decisions have made it so once they stand on American soil they're basically in and are granted more rights than we as citizens are, and certainly more than any other country would grant us if caught breaking and entering. The left has made it so ONLY a barrier that physically keeps them out will work anymore since the actual written law and enforcement has been gutted.
 

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Exactly. Both the president and the Pelosi/Schumer duo know this. And both sides are digging in!

Thats why im fine with the shutdown! Its the only leverage the president has right now.

But, im under no illusion that anything will get better. The socialists just -gained- strength in the last election. Things are not headed in the direction we'd like.
 
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Not all govt workers are being denigrated - BP, USCG - are important services and I want them working. Dems could have them working tomorrow but like Obama putting fences around static monuments they want to increase the pain.

I think National Park workers are necessary if its so that visitors are trashing the places. It will cost millions unfucking that mess.

Why can we give Mexico, and the countries of the isthmus billions but 6 billion for a wall to keep the people down there to use the money we give them is not appropriate.

The dems own this.

edit add - I realize BP and USCG are working I want them paid for their vital work.
Fuck the BP officers that work or authorize these internal border checkpoints.
This kind of shit is how the constitution gets destroyed
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The whole mess is becoming politically toxic, thanks to the MSM who are only publishing one narrative. Here's exactly what I would like to see the President do:

  • Immediately open the government without wall funding. Rest the continued insecurity of America on the Dem's heads.
  • Let the Dems know not one single bill containing any of their pet projects will pass without a veto. They chose to make this a sticking point, they can live with the consequences.
  • Deploy every available Engineer/Seabee Bn to the border and commence construction via DoD funding. It's a matter of national security, lay it on the defenders of our nation to handle it.
  • Commence a wide sweeping review of government employee positions who could be converted to contractors, and begin that process to eliminate those positions. The pork funding the expansion of those government employee union backed positions needs to end.

There should not be one cook or cleaner (and other similarly positioned) under the direct employ of the US Govt, with the exception of those handling classified areas. Same goes for TSA, those should have been left privatized but Bush Jr. liked his own pork projects. The fact we have 700k federal employees being affected by the current shutdown, which is still nowhere near the total count, is mind boggling and needs to be slashed in half or more.
 

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There are currently 31 active national emergencies. Some of those national emergencies have been in effect for almost 40 years.

Read the story from none other than a liberal news source here.

Another good read on Trump and declaring a national emergency here.
 

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went to click-on it.. I'm so Sad ... it appears that our National Zoo DC Smithsonian has turned off the 'Live streaming' Asian elephant Camera system, due to the Fed. shutdown .
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went to click-on it.. I'm so Sad ... it appears that our National Zoo DC Smithsonian has turned off the 'Live streaming' Asian elephant Camera system, due to the Fed. shutdown .
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Well Hell, if they'll let me pop Dumbo with a .416 Taylor on the National Mall....and turn the tusks into 1911 grips and the feet into umbrella stands.... I'll help fund the gummint for a few seconds!

Cheers,

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I understand the frustration with going without a paycheck for a few months but it is not the same as getting laid off. They will be paid their back pay once the if the government issue is resolved. That is the issue when working for the government and why I decided to go a different route. I commend the officers who are on the front lines but most know the drill. At some point even they will have to stand up to the democrats and libtards.
 

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I am okay with BP stations with flaming cauldron attached to catapults that we can throw invaders into and fling back over the border, family sized preferred. Inside the interior there is no authority of any federal agent period, fuck them, get the sheriff involved and follow the constitution or prepare for a goddam fight or just being ignored as the douche bags you are.
 

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I am okay with BP stations with flaming cauldron attached to catapults that we can throw invaders into and fling back over the border, family sized preferred. Inside the interior there is no authority of any federal agent period, fuck them, get the sheriff involved and follow the constitution or prepare for a goddam fight or just being ignored as the douche bags you are.


I wasn't so much interested in videos of random agitators talking tough. I was hoping to see someone put his money where his mouth is!

Lots of people talk.
 
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hppens everyday there toughguy, youtube it

that being said I have not met a dickhead BP person so dont give them shit at the border, but inland I give them the cold WTF you stopping me for and always get told nothing or have a nice day. no ill intent by teh greeters with bad uniforms

I wasn't so much interested in videos of random agitators talking tough. I was hoping to see someone put his money where his mouth is!

Lots of people talk.
 

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hppens everyday there toughguy, youtube it

that being said I have not met a dickhead BP person so dont give them shit at the border, but inland I give them the cold WTF you stopping me for and always get told nothing or have a nice day. no ill intent by teh greeters with bad uniforms
I did. I saw lots of videos of people talking. Theres even a few videos of people getting tazed, arrested or otherwise scuffed up.

I'm waiting for the video of armyjerry standing up for his rights and showing them whats what.

I dont want to see the video of army jerry getting tazed and arrested. Thats losing!

I want to see armyjerry winning!

I dont want to see videos of random people. I want to see army jerry showing them the error of their ways.