TBAC and Q the best at suppression?

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So company antics and personal feelings aside, are these 2 currently about the quietest when it comes to rifle cans?

I’m looking at purchasing my first rifle suppressor (already have a pistol suppressor) to use on a long range 6.5 Creedmoor.

Eventually down the line I’m sure I’d be interested in putting it on an AR of some sort.

I’m also considering going with the same brand as my pistol for mount commonality. It’s a gen 3 Griffin Revolution 9 so I can slow fire rifle rounds through it.

But idk how what Griffin has rifle wise compares. Looks like their 30 cal cans might be stronger, but how about suppression wise? Also cheaper than the above.
 

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In my testing the TBAC Ultra 7 is quieter than the Q Full Nelson on a Bergara 22" 6.5 Creedmoor. Griffin makes a good silencer with a good mount and are known to offer good suppression though I haven't tested them. I don't recommend using a handgun silencer for rifle cartridges, the performance will be disappointing. You'll also find rifle and handgun silencers don't share the same mounts except 1/2x28 direct thread. For handguns, the Rugged Obsidian series or the AAC TiRant-M series are my pick.
 

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Sorry I should have been more specific. By rifle I meant 300 Blackout subsonic.

The Revolution 9 Gen 3 has a blast baffle adapter to allow it to use their 5/8x24 taper mount
 

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After RO'ing a few matches and hearing them all, they are all so close that noise suppression is several places down the list for me as far as choosing a can. Except for Silencer Tech, they all do an adequate job of suppression. My AAC Cyclone and my TBAC Ultra 7 suppress very well, but the TBAC is shorter, significantly lighter, and has a better attachment method. The balance of a gun wearing a steel can vs a Ti can is noticeably different. The main points I'd be looking for are short/light (Titanium) and a good brake attach mounting system. TBAC, Crux, and a few others are nice. Avoid AAC.
 
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If you are interested in going with something from Griffin, they make some very good rifle cans. I have the Recce 7 and it is very quiet and also stout built. It's all 17-4, so it's a little bit heavier than an all titanium can, but I don't find that it effects the balance when it's on my rifle. There are a couple of comparison videos on youtube that shows it numbers compared to other cans and I believe it was either the quietest or second quietest of several that were tested at the same time. I have also tested it's zero shift extensively, swapping it back and forth between a 6BR and a 223 and it was dead repeatable. Only a very slight and repeatable POI shift from mounted to not mounted also. The price is fairly attractive as well. TBAC make awesome cans and so do Q, Silencerco and Crux. You really have to try to get a bad one these days.
 
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Of all the criteria to consider, I would say “how much quieter is A than B” is pretty damned low on the list in the real world.
 
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The TBAC will be better than the Q, if only slightly. In other words, get the TBAC for a bolt gun 100% of the time. Semi-auto, not so much.
 

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The TBAC will be better than the Q, if only slightly. In other words, get the TBAC for a bolt gun 100% of the time. Semi-auto, not so much.
What makes the TBAC better than Q?
I’m looking at getting a dedicated 6.5cm can, and it’s between waiting for Q to release theirs or the TBAC. I have the Q Full Nelson and love it on my .300BO SBR and my .308, just feel a dedicated 6.5 can would do better on my 6.5cm for actual suppression.
 
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In my opinion Thunderbeast has always been Gold Standard for ultimate suppression Period ,back when the 30-p1 days and Now with the Ultra series . I have used TBAC for many years.
 

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For 300 black subs it's hard to beat the surefire 300 sps. I have one, along with a TB Ultra 7, KAC 762 QDC, and Rugged Micro 30. The surefire 300 SPS is the quietest to me, out of the bunch.
I have a 300 sps aswell and yes its dam quiet in 300 blk i use it on a 20" 260 rem too.
 

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Because of the baffle stack. From the metering Ray and others have shown, the TBAC Ultra cans seem to be a much higher back pressure design. So on bolt guns that is great, and cuts noise at the muzzle (the only place noise is coming from). On a semi-auto most of the noise to the shooter is coming from the unlocking of the chamber. So the TBAC's higher back pressure pushes more gas out the chamber, and the Q has advantage there.

An AGB can help if you are using it mostly on bolt guns and occasionally on a gas gun, but if it mostly on a semi-auto go Q. Otherwise, TBAC 110%.
 
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Because of the baffle stack. From the metering Ray and others have shown, the TBAC Ultra cans seem to be a much higher back pressure design. So on bolt guns that is great, and cuts noise at the muzzle (the only place noise is coming from). On a semi-auto most of the noise to the shooter is coming from the unlocking of the chamber. So the TBAC's higher back pressure pushes more gas out the chamber, and the Q has advantage there.

An AGB can help if you are using it mostly on bolt guns and occasionally on a gas gun, but if it mostly on a semi-auto go Q. Otherwise, TBAC 110%.
What is an AGB?
 

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If level of suppression is your only barometer of a suppressor then I think your missing the point of suppressors. At the end of the day all major manufactures produce a product that are pretty damn close to each other on any given day.

I've got Gemtech, AAC, Sig and Dead Air and am pleased with all of them.
 

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So company antics and personal feelings aside, are these 2 currently about the quietest when it comes to rifle cans?

I’m looking at purchasing my first rifle suppressor (already have a pistol suppressor) to use on a long range 6.5 Creedmoor.

Eventually down the line I’m sure I’d be interested in putting it on an AR of some sort.

I’m also considering going with the same brand as my pistol for mount commonality. It’s a gen 3 Griffin Revolution 9 so I can slow fire rifle rounds through it.

But idk how what Griffin has rifle wise compares. Looks like their 30 cal cans might be stronger, but how about suppression wise? Also cheaper than the above.
I can only give subjective to my ears not dB, but I tried a ton of suppressors for the better part of a year. Silencer Co Omega, SpecWar, couple of Gemtechs, Sig SRD and a Full Nelson. In the end I went with the QD verision of the Full Nelson called the Thunder Chicken. I couldn't be happier, but if you ask the next guy he might try all those and go with another. Right now it's sitting on a PWS 7.62x39 with my thermal getting ready to slay some hogs Saturday!
 
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The internet seems to think the TBAC is one of the quietest suppressors out there. Maybe I've heard a dud, but that isnt my experience at all. @lennyo3034 and I have shot my Omega next to his TBAC 7 I believe using hornady factory 6mm creedmoor ammo, we were both using a nucleus action and 26" barrels. My omega was noticeably quieter to everyone at the range. I've not been impressed with his tbac when he shoots it on any of his hosts.
 
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We don't have DUDs. Many on here have posted that their Omega is louder than their Ultra 7. I always correct them and point out that the times I've metered them side by side they are pretty much the same. Usually within .5 dB. I'll dig out the Omega and do it again on the Pulse soon if the wind ever stops but our 2209 numbers are good.
 

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Perhaps range conditions, atmospherics or relative body position affect the perceived sound. Shooting my Omega next to a shooter with the TBAC Ultra 7 my perception was the TBAC was quieter. FWIW the other shooter thought the opposite! Both rifles were 24" 6.5 Creedmoor chambered firing 140 grain ammunition.
 
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I've shot my TBAC side by side with an Omega. Regardless of what it meters, my Ultra 7 has a "smoother" tone to it.
 
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I've shot my TBAC side by side with an Omega. Regardless of what it meters, my Ultra 7 has a "smoother" tone to it.
This seems to be the general consensus on the web. That’s why I said maybe there was something wrong with the tabac I’ve heard. Every time we have shot that specific tabac next to the omega, everyone agrees that the tabac is louder by a noticeable difference.
 

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It's my Ultra 7. I've spoken to Ray and will be sending it in January after the hunting season. I will confirm that next to the Omega or any other suppressor I've had it next to (rugged surge, surefire), the TBAC sounded significantly louder to the ear.

It's possible the locations I've shot it had an impact. When shooting next to other suppressors, its been on a heavily baffled range so perhaps some sound was getting reflected back. So much so that it was painful to the ear and required plugs. I did take a few shots in the open with it shooting between ridges in WV. Noise level seemed much lower and I did experience any ear pain. But I did not have other cans to compare to. The tone was completely different shooting in the open vs a baffled range.