I’m on deer #7 total kills with the Lehigh 194 ME... it really is devastating at subsonic speeds. I keep my shots to 100 yards max but I have repeatable 4” groups at 200 yards with this bullet. According to specs it will still expand down to about 700fps. At 400 yards it’s still going 888 FPS.Shot 4 deer so far this year with my 300 blk with Lehigh Defence 194 max expansion bullet. Everything under a 100 yds, they only ran 20 yds and dropped like a rock. The bullet you use is critical for taking game. If it doesn't expand at low velocity don't use it. Of course shot placement is always important.
This really doesn't make sense. A subsonic round and a 44mag throwing 240-300gr bullets kill in very different ways. "Power" doesn't even make sense, I don't care what the kinetic energy numbers say. A sub is essentially a broadhead, if you are smart enough to choose one of the few bullets that can expand at such velocities (IMHO a broadhead is better). A 44mag gets into low end rifle territory where real collateral tissue damage is taking place.guy i shoot with has a 308 with a can, subsonic loads, headshots on deer <50yds, says it's in the .44 mag power range.
LOL. Would you like to point on the doll exactly where spaniel hurt you?If you don't like head shots, dont take them.
As far as some guy you know crap, many a bow shot has went wrong as well.
Same bad luck.
People take head shots for various reasons nothing to do with bragging.
Most leagle centerfires do fine within the marksmans skill set.
If for one moment you think bow hunting is more humane than shooting subs,
You are full of shit.
No tracking, waiting or any of that bow hunt stuff.
No adrenilen pumped full meat, no retrival hassle, no messed up meat, it goes on.
Never "lost" game bowhunting? Bullshit.
Long ago started taking heart shots on purpose, eliminated tracking and dragging.
Next step, head shots eliminated a mess, and now I get to eat the hearts.
Why is low blood loss a factor? And disturbing suburbia? You are making it should like you are shooting deer some place you shouldn't be.I had at best in my gun gotten 1 1/2 moa with factory loads of 207 and 208 subs.
I know the bc in those is crazy good but they measure it at super.
Some bench loader told me to try flat base since I was staying at 100 yd.
Went full on retro and used fbrn, resulting in sub moa in my gun.
Decided it would be fine give a lot of restraint on shot choice.
Have a city employee interested in it for management use.
Evedently fits the bill better than what they use on the golf course.
Very little blood loss if caught just below the ear.
If you were to miss it won't go far.
Won't disturb suburbia like a shotgun.
Those lehigh's are great but at a price and make a bit of a mess.
Spife has helped me with this load, but also does not use it for hunting.
I would only recomend hunting with it at 100 yards and less in light winds,
By reserved well practiced shooters willing to pass on a lot of marginal shots.
The definition of a good hunt can change a lot over the years.
To add to this, I pulled a couple of the 190 sub-x, and down loaded to around 750 fps and shot into gel.Killed plenty of deer with subs. Practice and know your dope. 300 blackout is a great round . Hornady 190 sub-x is the best factory load for hunting . If you reload Trail boss and the 90 gr XTP is a proven killer. Below is the 190 sub x test bullet . Passed through 4 milk jugs full of water and caught it in the 5th. My set up is Remington 700 300 blackout 16.5” swfa 10x HS Percision stock.
Municipal contract to remove pest animals required quiet, ie, no disturb suburbia. Deer eat city shrubbery... alligators eat yap dogs. Coyotes eat cats.. blackout and Lehigh work wonders on deer and coyotes. 22mag works on gator..Why is low blood loss a factor? And disturbing suburbia? You are making it should like you are shooting deer some place you shouldn't be.
No, it s question.@supercorndogs I went from unethical to poacher now?
not very intuitive if you read the thread.
I have a friend that does city services including cropping an
Overrun deer herd, relocation attempts have been costly.
safety, discretion, and noise are a factor, as is prompt retrival.
anything elese has people bitching to the city manager and mayor.
Apparently 308 with the standard 1/10 twist does not stablise heavy
subs very well, I have not loaded any. 1/7 for the bo does well.
we will try some of the Hornady subs for accuracy but in my
case expansion is secondary to a clean shot.
edit: bold text was unintended, ? Stuck?, still stuck? Damn
That sounds like a neat setup, do you have any pictures? Where did you get the fast twist barrel?Built me a fast twist 45/70 TC Encore for subs. I have stabilized up to 730gr cast bullets but will likely hunt with 600gr soft cast bullets with a deep hollow point. Was shooting them through the chrono behind the house and left holes in the yard like you shot a bowling ball out of it.
Nothing wrong with using subs as long as you use the proper bullet and know your limits.
Barrel is a 16.5” 1:10 Twist from MGM (Match Grade Matchine). Had it throated long for these longer heavy projectiles.That sounds like a neat setup, do you have any pictures? Where did you get the fast twist barrel?
I've been toying with the idea of having a 77/44 chopped and threaded for use as a short range silent deer thumper with bullets along the lines of these:
GT 305gr hp
Can't see how it wouldn't work as long as ranges are kept short.
Anything with teeth like this needs to be shot.Myself and a couple close friends have property in Harper, Kerrville and Hunt. All three are either low fence to keep the goats and sheep in or no fence at all. Lots of exotics. I even shot the number 1 Muntjac in the US in Harper. It’s the 2nd largest in the world and the only free range Muntjac ever registered with SCI (in the US). We have about 20 running around there free range.