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Iamero

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Just shoot lowlight or Tucker a message instead of them waiting to see this.
 
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footsteps

Private Greene
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Dec 13, 2017
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These scam artist peeps should be tracked down if possible by IP address, or the address that was used when items this member purchased were shipped to.. IDK this just sucks.
 

mop89

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That’s a shame, I’ve been fortunate enough to have nothing but positive transactions with everyone I’ve dealt with, here and on ar15.com.

Not saying it would have prevented this, as anyone can go off the deep end anytime, but I do wish this site had a feedback system similar to AR15.com. Very handy, and easy to use.
 

RedMan*

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If the seller insists on you sending PP funds via Friend & Family, time to move on to another seller.
I was trying to purchase a scope from a seller here a little bit ago and he insisted using the F & F.
Needless to say I passed on the scope.
 

wade2big

Knowing just enough to be dangerous
Belligerents
Sep 16, 2017
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El Campo, TX
If the seller insists on you sending PP funds via Friend & Family, time to move on to another seller.
I was trying to purchase a scope from a seller here a little bit ago and he insisted using the F & F.
Needless to say I passed on the scope.
It’s no different than asking for a money order

I always give the option either way when using PayPal.
There are risks to the seller when using paypal goods and services. The buyer can receive a perfectly good item then contact PayPal and file a claim. BAM seller no longer has his money. It’s a reverse scam that has happened time and time again. Google it. I am not sure that I would take goods and services as a payment method on big ticket items myself. And I sell ALOT.

Goods and services -risk on seller
F&F and money order - risk on buyer
 

DrainTheSwamp2017

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Jan 16, 2018
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That’s a shame, I’ve been fortunate enough to have nothing but positive transactions with everyone I’ve dealt with, here and on ar15.com.

Not saying it would have prevented this, as anyone can go off the deep end anytime, but I do wish this site had a feedback system similar to AR15.com. Very handy, and easy to use.
A feedback system wouldn’t have prevented this. Scammer seemed legit and even had positive feedback in the px feedback section. At 108 posts either the account got hacked or it was a patient scammer.
 

CCprojects

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Mar 13, 2019
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This blows...I’m new here but a regular on another forum called Calguns and the I-trader rating system is legit and useful to keep people aware because you can leave a positive or negative rating as well as feedback describing how the transaction went and you add the link for the persons for sale page as well.
 

Dolomite_Supafly

Sergeant of the Hide
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If your PP is linked to your bank account will your bank refund you?
Depends on the bank.

I had fraudulent charges against my debit card through Sears. I never bought anything from Sears but had a $800 charge for tools. I contacted Sears and they confirmed they had the name and address. Sears even called the phone number on the order and confirmed they had the right name and delivery address. Sears refused to give me the information citing privacy reasons but said they would release it to law enforcement. I contacted a detective in my local PD and told him that Sears had the bad guys name, address, phone number and email address. He refused to even call Sears stating that they could not afford to extradite so they would not even open a case. I contacted the bank for a refund and they said they would only refund the money if there was a police report done.

PayPal has been more responsive to problems than my bank. But even selling using F&F can be risky because if the buyer has a decent bank. The bank can ask PayPal for a refund and PayPal will issue a refund and take it from the seller's account. I read about it happening on here recently. Turns out the buyer wasn't trying to scam, the bank requested a refund and got it without the buyer asking for it.
 
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Downtown

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The seller rating system wouldn't have prevented this scam, as the seller had completed satisfactory sales to members before and could have had positive feedback. I'm really stumped on how to prevent a scam like this, a long time member with a good record just decides to go bad.
 
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Rlandry

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Is there a guaranteed safe way to conduct an online transaction other than cash only/local pickup? Just curious. I havn't been burned yet but you never know.
 

StealthOwl

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Someone mentioned that photos lifted from the web were used in this case.. did anyone confirm that? Always a good thing to check, and a dead giveaway.
 

Rlandry

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There is an online app called tineye.com that will search the web to see if photos have been posted elsewhere.
 
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wade2big

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Im not buying from anybody in the exchange here unless they have a 100% money back gaurantee that they aren’t a scammer.
 
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ryu_sekai

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Depends on the bank.

I had fraudulent charges against my debit card through Sears. I never bought anything from Sears but had a $800 charge for tools. I contacted Sears and they confirmed they had the name and address. Sears even called the phone number on the order and confirmed they had the right name and delivery address. Sears refused to give me the information citing privacy reasons but said they would release it to law enforcement. I contacted a detective in my local PD and told him that Sears had the bad guys name, address, phone number and email address. He refused to even call Sears stating that they could not afford to extradite so they would not even open a case. I contacted the bank for a refund and they said they would only refund the money if there was a police report done.

PayPal has been more responsive to problems than my bank. But even selling using F&F can be risky because if the buyer has a decent bank. The bank can ask PayPal for a refund and PayPal will issue a refund and take it from the seller's account. I read about it happening on here recently. Turns out the buyer wasn't trying to scam, the bank requested a refund and got it without the buyer asking for it.
I'm a police officer and most depts will open a case regardless of where it started. They will use ID fraud instead of CC fraud. But if it happens again you can usually it the call number even if a case/report number is not generated. When ever you call the make a call number. Most places will take that number.
 

Dthomas3523

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I did a tineye search on the photo when it went up. It was negative.

This was one of those scams that was likely gonna happen regardless (except the price being a little too good to be true).
 

Downtown

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And what sucks is that all that failed. Buyers called this guy and spoke. Even googled and confirmed the phone number. Still scammed. $900 is a lot of money.
 

Drago6

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If the seller insists on you sending PP funds via Friend & Family, time to move on to another seller.
I was trying to purchase a scope from a seller here a little bit ago and he insisted using the F & F.
Needless to say I passed on the scope.
I’ve used F&F literally hundreds of times with no problems, just need to be smart on both ends

PayPal is very anti 2A so even if you do G&S the likelihood hood of you winning a claim on anything even remotely gun related is slim to none.
 

Farmerbrown32

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I’ve used F&F literally hundreds of times with no problems, just need to be smart on both ends

PayPal is very anti 2A so even if you do G&S the likelihood hood of you winning a claim on anything even remotely gun related is slim to none.
Well said. I have definitely used the friends and family option hundred of times also with never one hiccup
 

Novak77

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I always trust folks here. I do friends and gift PayPal. And I always call the other party to discuss the transaction.
I've had great luck on this and several other forums with MO's and PP gift too. If something seems off use G&S, if they won't go for it, don't buy from them.
 
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Huskydriver

You gotta want it....
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I’ve used F&F literally hundreds of times with no problems, just need to be smart on both ends

PayPal is very anti 2A so even if you do G&S the likelihood hood of you winning a claim on anything even remotely gun related is slim to none.
It's a bird watching scope?
 

THEIS

Hi, Sincerely
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Hi,

The phone number he list in another thread can provide lots of contact details if needed in regards to recovering your losses.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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Rerun7

Furious George
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PayPal is very anti 2A so even if you do G&S the likelihood hood of you winning a claim on anything even remotely gun related is slim to none.
Had a dispute on a scope last year and it worked out fine. Used seller protection.

If you’re going to sell something just pay the 3%. It’s worth the piece of mind.
 

Dolomite_Supafly

Sergeant of the Hide
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I'm a police officer and most depts will open a case regardless of where it started. They will use ID fraud instead of CC fraud. But if it happens again you can usually it the call number even if a case/report number is not generated. When ever you call the make a call number. Most places will take that number.
My SO is useless.

I was also in LE for a long time but left it to do overseas contract work until I was in a helicopter that crashed.

The SO put in the newspaper that unless it is a life threatening situation they would not respond to 911 calls. A personal friend came home to intruders in their house so they called 911. My friend was told to stay back and wait for the burglars to leave then come in to file a report for insurance. Another friend caught two people stealing from his father's shop, called 911 and got the same response. He went to the SO and gave them the info on the car and burglars. PD said all the information matched but they would not sign a warrant because the bad guys lived in another county.

My brother is a meth head. He was holding our father at shotgun point. I contacted the SO after my father called to warn me to not come to his house. Sheriff told us that he had no PC to investigate and refused to intervene. Then my brother threatened to kill my family. I went to get a restraining order and was told by the court clerk that "open air threats are a civil matter and that I needed to sue my brother for libel". Next I went to the SO and got the same answer, not their problem. A month later my brother grabbed an AK, beat our mother bloody then tried to kill my family and I. They did arrest him but later dropped the charges. I can only assume to free up space in their jails to house out of county inmates.

About 3 months after my brother tried to kill us someone posted on CL for someone to come to our house and hurt my wife. Thinking it was my brother again I contacted the sheriff. He refused to do anything so I told him I would kill anyone who walked into my house and that upset the sheriff. He said I should not do that and let them handle it if anyone comes into my house. I had my attorney call him and threaten to sue because it was a valid threat. Monday morning I had two officers at my house "investigating" what guns I had in the house. They were no doubt sent there by the sheriff to fish for something.

BTW, they let inmates go free. Quite a few jail officers were charged and convicted of raping inmates, including the sheriffs son. The FBI and TBI stepped in to take over the SO because it was so corrupt and still is.

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/grainger-co-jail-failed-inspections-prior-to-inmates-escaping/95433300 I went there once to get fingerprinted and 1/2 the security panels coving the inner workings were removed from the jail cells. They opened the exterior and inner doors at the same time and not once did they frisk me for weapons. Very poor security protocols. Drugs are rampant in the jail because most of the jailers are related to those being housed there.

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/former-inmates-suing-grainger-county-on-rape-allegations/95280871

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/tbi-sheriffs-son-among-grainger-co-jailers-facing-charges/95291769

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/jan/12/5-indicted-in-grainger-jail-misdeeds/128846/

And there are tons of "rumors" going around about a bunch of other stuff.
 

Culpeper

"Goodbye, Rutten"
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My SO is useless.

I was also in LE for a long time but left it to do overseas contract work until I was in a helicopter that crashed.

The SO put in the newspaper that unless it is a life threatening situation they would not respond to 911 calls. A personal friend came home to intruders in their house so they called 911. My friend was told to stay back and wait for the burglars to leave then come in to file a report for insurance. Another friend caught two people stealing from his father's shop, called 911 and got the same response. He went to the SO and gave them the info on the car and burglars. PD said all the information matched but they would not sign a warrant because the bad guys lived in another county.

My brother is a meth head. He was holding our father at shotgun point. I contacted the SO after my father called to warn me to not come to his house. Sheriff told us that he had no PC to investigate and refused to intervene. Then my brother threatened to kill my family. I went to get a restraining order and was told by the court clerk that "open air threats are a civil matter and that I needed to sue my brother for libel". Next I went to the SO and got the same answer, not their problem. A month later my brother grabbed an AK, beat our mother bloody then tried to kill my family and I. They did arrest him but later dropped the charges. I can only assume to free up space in their jails to house out of county inmates.

About 3 months after my brother tried to kill us someone posted on CL for someone to come to our house and hurt my wife. Thinking it was my brother again I contacted the sheriff. He refused to do anything so I told him I would kill anyone who walked into my house and that upset the sheriff. He said I should not do that and let them handle it if anyone comes into my house. I had my attorney call him and threaten to sue because it was a valid threat. Monday morning I had two officers at my house "investigating" what guns I had in the house. They were no doubt sent there by the sheriff to fish for something.

BTW, they let inmates go free. Quite a few jail officers were charged and convicted of raping inmates, including the sheriffs son. The FBI and TBI stepped in to take over the SO because it was so corrupt and still is.

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/grainger-co-jail-failed-inspections-prior-to-inmates-escaping/95433300 I went there once to get fingerprinted and 1/2 the security panels coving the inner workings were removed from the jail cells. They opened the exterior and inner doors at the same time and not once did they frisk me for weapons. Very poor security protocols. Drugs are rampant in the jail because most of the jailers are related to those being housed there.

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/former-inmates-suing-grainger-county-on-rape-allegations/95280871

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/claiborne-hancock-grainger-union/tbi-sheriffs-son-among-grainger-co-jailers-facing-charges/95291769

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/jan/12/5-indicted-in-grainger-jail-misdeeds/128846/

And there are tons of "rumors" going around about a bunch of other stuff.
Looks like your county needs to elect a Buffard Pusser type.
 

Tree

Sergeant of the Hide
Hessian
Online Training Access
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Jan 28, 2018
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MN (Frozen tundra)
One thing I do request before buying from anyone is a picture of the product lying on top of a piece of paper with my snipershide name written on it. While it could be photoshopped in gives me a little more piece of mind. All of my dealings here have been good to date.
 

M5NSX

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One thing I do request before buying from anyone is a picture of the product lying on top of a piece of paper with my snipershide name written on it. While it could be photoshopped in gives me a little more piece of mind. All of my dealings here have been good to date.
I also request a similar photo but ask them to put it part way under the item for sale as it is a lot harder to photoshop and you usual get some shadows on the piece of paper from the item. If a seller won’t take the requested pic I assume they don’t have said item for sell....
 
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dumbbell

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If you paid any attention the account was banned, as soon as it was reported.

These post really annoy me, it’s gonna start pushing my buttons the other way
I apologize LL. As soon as i figired out what what was going on i posted here just in case someone else had a deal going and was fixing to get scammed. Feel free to delete. My bad
 

kornface13

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One thing thats pretty useful is to require the selling show a "proof" picture that has the item along with their username and the date written on a piece of paper. That way you can at least verify that the seller has the item in question. Prevents lazy scams that just use stock/internet photos at the very least.
 

Lowlight

HMFIC of this Shit
Staff member
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I am gonna start banning people that want us to fix shit for them and then feel the need to make a public proclamations asking we fix Shit for them.

If there is an issue, and if you have the evidence to back it up, use the report feature, ONCE. We jump on the quite quickly and if the evidence is solid, we ban the account. If the account has not been banned immediately odds are it’s because your evidence is flawed or it’s a he said / she said story.

The jumping off the handle shit has to stop, 99% of the time the reporter failed to protect themself and now want us to sort it. A little common sense goes a long way. If you find a problem and report it, we act immediately and without mercy, we permanently ban, so the problem is solved. We don’t need 4 reminders or calls for help.

All we do is hunt spammers and scammers, we manually approve every new sign up looking for scam accounts, checking IP addresses, Proxy server use, etc, everyday at least 3x a day.

We have no problem with guys identifying scammers, but be right, include details, and don’t just go off a hunch its not right. Because we do ban them quickly.
 

37L1

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We appreciate what you do, Lowlight. It is a lot of work to keep this site up and running smoothly and sometimes we take this for granted.
 

Kadams1563

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Damn I missed the $900 Gen II. I’ll keep an eye out for the next one for sure.