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ArmyJerry

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I think there is 400 Russians that challenged a squad of Americans in Syria recently that would disagree with your assessment of current Military effectiveness.

dont worry, when the time comes Ill make it quick sharc
 
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This discussions sound like a retirement home discussion - mostly those on the way out keeping spirits up (with knowledge of past era) while waiting in line for express to pearly gates. Reality unfortunately for you is rather bleak in this "we'll kill Russians soon" most likely your generation with simply die off and whole 1776 affair will be rephrased into new age LGBT speak and at some point your country will either implode or cause world wide nuclear Armageddon as your "elites" have gone completely mad and actually think they can "pacify and convert" entire world to their image of New man.

Your military can't even fuckup some ragheads effectively let alone big nations and it has nothing to do with politicians setting up bullshit ROE its simply the fact of life once great has become mediocre at best. As for Normandy+ casualties i'd suggest you call to Berlin and ask them for their statistics in the East you just might find that Normandy was a minor skirmish compared to eastern clusterfuck.
We will agree to disagree but I appreciate your view.

Some 2-300 Russians in Syria found their best just wasn't good enough against guys using nothing but radios and a Sec Def that wanted to roll over his ammo inventory.

I agree regards I see no reason to fight in Iran. Let the Brits get their own ships. How the fuck did they let Iran capture one in the first place? Is Obama running their Navy now? Let Iran choke on the sanctions and leave it to Israel/Saudis to do something about them.

Yes WWII in the West was not the war in the East against Germany. Still it took enough of Germanys strength for the Sovs to fight their attrition war.

Thanks for all your help In the far east. Couldn't the Sovs spared some military to fight in the east? Oh forgot they were too busy looking for Troops of their own to slaughter and had none to spare. They remembered the Japanese fucked them up in the past and were too busy begging us for a western front and more trucks.

Remember the US conducted a global war. The Russians fought on a front. Where was Russia in Africa, the Middle East, Italy, China, Burma, India, the Pacific, the Atlantic?

Russia was a one trick pony capable only of sending conscripts to frontal attack slaughter and the Germans mowed them down by the millions. Russias only advantage was numbers it was willing to lose. Awesome strategy.

We fought globaly and were able to supply our own two front global war as well supply just about every other allied combatant country. If not for US effort there would be no shipping, trucking, ordinance or logistics available to beat that horse drawn Army that was killing commies by the millions.

Don't overlook that contribution.

Where was the Russian strategic bombing campaign against Germany that disrupted supplies to the east as well as the west? Realize how many Americans died in the air preventing German industrial production from supplying arms to the east and for killing moral to continue the fight amongst the bombed German towns.

Still I'm thinking it's a good thing we fought that war as it might have come forty odd years late for you but at least a portion of Europe was saved to allow you the freedom to now come here and shit on the US.
 
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My wife's family was essentially eradicated on the Eastern Front, on the losing side. The only member of that generation who survived was her Mother. Her Grandfather lost an eye; all her Uncles simply disappeared somewhere(s) in eastern Europe. Regardless of the role they played, they were loyal to their military obligation.

The war is also written in family histories.

The Russians may have been Nekulturny, but they were also massive and unstoppable.

Is that still true? I have doubts. Underestimate your opponent at your own risk.

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As said whatever makes your bowel movement work... Feel free to try but as we see you (we the eastern European guys) you're a fucking joke. I happened to stay in US in jan/feb this year and (granted Commiefornia mostly) i found your country and your people a joke. Granted it was a great experiment dare to say almost perfect in its design however as all things human it tends to degenerate (as in path to hell is paved with best intentions...) and boy you've degenerated... The only memorable persons which i can relate to were two old geezers from USS Midway and a woman from Fresno being aware what a hellhole this country (Cali in specific) has become.
In plain terms before you manage to fuckup "external enemy" i'm thinking you will be fucked royaly up the stovepipe by your own...

Bottom line we in the east are enemy of your elites because we call a spade a spade and goose a goose and we don't take shit from self identified BS pushers while you can't even post what you think anymore because you either loose your job or worse....

But sure do the chest thumping its fucking hilarious to watch...ass full and mouth full but legs suffer the Harley Davidson (pun intended) sindrome as average legs in US cant do the 1 mile walk...
 

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As said whatever makes your bowel movement work... Feel free to try but as we see you (we the eastern European guys) you're a fucking joke. I happened to stay in US in jan/feb this year and (granted Commiefornia mostly) i found your country and your people a joke. Granted it was a great experiment dare to say almost perfect in its design however as all things human it tends to degenerate (as in path to hell is paved with best intentions...) and boy you've degenerated... The only memorable persons which i can relate to were two old geezers from USS Midway and a woman from Fresno being aware what a hellhole this country (Cali in specific) has become.
In plain terms before you manage to fuckup "external enemy" i'm thinking you will be fucked royaly up the stovepipe by your own...

Bottom line we in the east are enemy of your elites because we call a spade a spade and goose a goose and we don't take shit from self identified BS pushers while you can't even post what you think anymore because you either loose your job or worse....

But sure do the chest thumping its fucking hilarious to watch...ass full and mouth full but legs suffer the Harley Davidson (pun intended) sindrome as average legs in US cant do the 1 mile walk...
So you want us to pack up all of our shit an bring it home. Hell yes, I'm on board with that 200%. I think everyone should protect their own ass with their own money/weapons, as I see no need to protect anyone that does not want us or our money there. Glad you brought this up, I'm fully on board with you on that. BTW Calafuckia is not America an has not been for about 30+ years but if you wish to judge us by them, that's your choice, as their money is spent Over There as well,...
 

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Thanks for all your help In the far east. Couldn't the Sovs spared some military to fight in the east? Oh forgot they were too busy looking for Troops of their own to slaughter and had none to spare. They remembered the Japanese fucked them up in the past and were too busy begging us for a western front and more trucks.
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A bit of historical record, which is little known to the U.S. public:


In less then 3 weeks, Soviets eliminated the Japanese armed forces of more than 1 million.
 
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As is said above, the true strength of an American weapons system resides in the weakest spined politicians.

After the results of Germany's disastrous involvement in Eastern Europe during the latest world unpleasantness, I have no disrespect for Eastern Europe; but the EU is the true joke on that continent. My family has firsthand experience on the subject. The EU makes American politicians, whom we equally distrust and dislike, look like junkyard dogs.

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Wow. That went off the rails. No matter who you think would win such circumstances, let us hope that neither country has to find out. In the end, there are no true winners in such a conflict, only losers. The only thing one might gain is ridding each country of the elites that put us in such a situation to begin with. If anything like this dreamed up war did happen then it would offer the perfect cover for a group or groups to do just that, rid themselves of the problem while the conflict is taking place. I’m sure it would be quite unexpected as well. Not all are evil but there certainly seem to be some that are without a doubt lacking any moral compass.
 

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hahahhaahha, muther fucker the NJ mational guard would destroy your shithole in weeks.


As said whatever makes your bowel movement work... Feel free to try but as we see you (we the eastern European guys) you're a fucking joke. I happened to stay in US in jan/feb this year and (granted Commiefornia mostly) i found your country and your people a joke. Granted it was a great experiment dare to say almost perfect in its design however as all things human it tends to degenerate (as in path to hell is paved with best intentions...) and boy you've degenerated... The only memorable persons which i can relate to were two old geezers from USS Midway and a woman from Fresno being aware what a hellhole this country (Cali in specific) has become.
In plain terms before you manage to fuckup "external enemy" i'm thinking you will be fucked royaly up the stovepipe by your own...

Bottom line we in the east are enemy of your elites because we call a spade a spade and goose a goose and we don't take shit from self identified BS pushers while you can't even post what you think anymore because you either loose your job or worse....

But sure do the chest thumping its fucking hilarious to watch...ass full and mouth full but legs suffer the Harley Davidson (pun intended) sindrome as average legs in US cant do the 1 mile walk...
 

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I’m on my way home from a week in SoCal, and on the surface I have to agree that Californians vs Eastern Europeans would be a rout. Californians would not last a week in a war zone, for sure. They’re the lowest, weakest, most corrupt and most helpless Americans there are taken all together.

The rest of the country ain’t California, and most of us don’t give a fuck what names leftists call us anymore. While I agree that Californians don’t value liberty and freedom like Eastern Europeans do, that’s not the case in most of the rest of the country. Most of us were raised to value it above all else even though it’s all we’ve known.

This is a huge ass country and it’s full of different cultures. You just happened to witness the worst one that going on fifty years of being raped by communists. Eastern Europe wasn’t all that great when the communists ruled it either.

Most of us want to end them all.
 

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Been also in Phoenix and Vegas (SHot show) and i'm trully not impressed. Granted i'm sure its not right to judge by such a small sample (though some of you don't have problems doing that never even being outside US) but i find your kind on a path of extinction. Its pretty much irrelevant if average Joe might be best and kindest person around when there are at least as many (see the polls you're basically 50:50 give or take) assholes and commie wannabees. Worse yet they are being actively supported by various power elements domestic and foreign (Israel for example) while "you and your kind" obsess over bullshit such as if you can fuck up Iran or Russia while at the same time literally (Epstein cough cough, Cunton, etc...) sucking Israels dick and getting colonoscopy from Saudis at the same time. But in all that somehow you find its Putins fault...
 
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ArmyJerry

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You dont have the IQ to know what would be impressive or not so nobody gives a fuck what your stupid ass thinks. Dont be so jelly , you live in a shithole with the most modern things in your shithole being built before Vlad the fucking Impaler was born... so just enjoy your squalor.

Been also in Phoenix and Vegas (SHot show) and i'm trully not impressed. Granted i'm sure its not right to judge by such a small sample (though some of you don't have problems doing that never even being outside US) but i find your kind on a path of extinction. Its pretty much irrelevant if average Joe might be best and kindest person around when there are at least as many (see the polls you're basically 50:50 give or take) assholes and commie wannabees. Worse yet they are being actively supported by various power elements domestic and foreign (Israel for example) while "you and your kind" obsess over bullshit such as if you can fuck up Iran or Russia while at the same time literally (Epstein cough cough, Cunton, etc...) sucking Israels dick and getting colonoscopy from Saudis at the same time. But in all that somehow you find its Putins fault...
 

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As said whatever makes your bowel movement work... Feel free to try but as we see you (we the eastern European guys) you're a fucking joke. I happened to stay in US in jan/feb this year and (granted Commiefornia mostly) i found your country and your people a joke. Granted it was a great experiment dare to say almost perfect in its design however as all things human it tends to degenerate (as in path to hell is paved with best intentions...) and boy you've degenerated... The only memorable persons which i can relate to were two old geezers from USS Midway and a woman from Fresno being aware what a hellhole this country (Cali in specific) has become.
In plain terms before you manage to fuckup "external enemy" i'm thinking you will be fucked royaly up the stovepipe by your own...

Bottom line we in the east are enemy of your elites because we call a spade a spade and goose a goose and we don't take shit from self identified BS pushers while you can't even post what you think anymore because you either loose your job or worse....

But sure do the chest thumping its fucking hilarious to watch...ass full and mouth full but legs suffer the Harley Davidson (pun intended) sindrome as average legs in US cant do the 1 mile walk...

There is a lot to like in the former satellites of the Iron curtain. Unsure which one of those places you hail from but Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Estonia others appreciate their shrugging off of the communist yoke.

Sad many traded the communist slavery for the EU version.

Poland especially stands out as a good friend. We should ship 3/4 of the troops west of Poland home to train on the southern and northern borders and send the remaining 1/4 troops to any place defensible in Poland - tough living on a plain when the guy next door is only good at building large quantities of "good enough" tanks.
 
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A bit of historical record, which is little known to the U.S. public:


In less then 3 weeks, Soviets eliminated the Japanese armed forces of more than 1 million.

Nope, knew about it. I think it was agreed to at Potsdam that Sovs would attack east on such and such a date.

Too bad spies in our own country were feeding JS info about the bomb because that was the only motivation he had to come east.....he wanted to get some first hand info after we fried a city or two to see what he was really up against.
 
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So you want us to pack up all of our shit an bring it home. Hell yes, I'm on board with that 200%. I think everyone should protect their own ass with their own money/weapons, as I see no need to protect anyone that does not want us or our money there. Glad you brought this up, I'm fully on board with you on that. BTW Calafuckia is not America an has not been for about 30+ years but if you wish to judge us by them, that's your choice, as their money is spent Over There as well,...
Funny thing is the state of California is the worlds 5th largest economy.

Think of that one state beats out all but 4 other nations in economic power.

In the top ten there are other "States" - Texas, New York, probably others I just dont want to research it.

So should we ever get over our internal squabbles and actually become E Pluribus Unum the untapped kicking ass potential is vast.

Unfathomable to many that live in countries that count their matrushka doll production as a vital national industry.
 

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The Ruskies were and probably still are willing to trade lives for real estate. Good equipment helps, but when your overwhelmed and the stupid ROE that we use prevents greater destruction you’re in big trouble. Examples of Russians throwing men to the cauldron- all of WW2 & Chechenya. They were slaughtered wholesale and still came out winning😬
 

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their population has shrunk drastically vs other countries when normalized. not having the nazis in charge then starving for the next 70 years is a unrealized win.
 

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Forgot to mention: they’re willing to flatten cities and lay them to waste in their quest to win ie. Grozny

I don’t think we’ve done that in a long time??
 

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raping and pillaging through a city hardly qualify as laying waste to a city, try Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo fore bombings, and many many other cities.

Forgot to mention: they’re willing to flatten cities and lay them to waste in their quest to win ie. Grozny

I don’t think we’ve done that in a long time??
Forgot to mention: they’re willing to flatten cities and lay them to waste in their quest to win ie. Grozny

I don’t think we’ve done that in a long time??
 

ArmyJerry

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Baghdad, Iraq, Kabul, well that was fucked up already but you get my point.

Islamic state in Syria.

It took russia 15 years to fuck up grozny.
 

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None of those the likes of Grozny. Anyways I was trying to make a point: Russia cares very little about collateral damage compared to us. It’s rather apparent. They’ll go a long way to win- more so than the US government and citizens are.
 

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Turkey should have been removed from NATO long ago.

The shit they are pulling with the Kurds sucks but its probably only a matter of time before the communists Kurds start turning on us anyway - guess we deserve it we turn a blind eye after every occasion they have been useful to us.

Come to think of it why is there a NATO anyway?

Let Europe pay for its own defense.

Most Kurds aren’t commies. They are great folks.
 

ArmyJerry

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my point above, what are they winning?

None of those the likes of Grozny. Anyways I was trying to make a point: Russia cares very little about collateral damage compared to us. It’s rather apparent. They’ll go a long way to win- more so than the US government and citizens are.
 

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The F-35 is fairly old tech, just saying.

As to pilots blacking out, that was the F-22.

The Kurds aren't communist. They're mostly still tribal in nature.

And Turkey is a country waiting for a civil war. The disparity between the cities and the rural areas will be it's undoing (much as we see today in our own country, and China sees in theirs).

Yes F22 had problems with obogs, that was a few years back.

F35 technology is not old.

The problem with the F35 is the program leadership and management /manufacturing model.

You lose control of quality and schedule when you offload every damn thing. The people you offload it to don't care, you are just a cash cow.
The current management is numbers only driven and does not care about a product.

Edit; IMHO
 
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None of those the likes of Grozny. Anyways I was trying to make a point: Russia cares very little about collateral damage compared to us. It’s rather apparent. They’ll go a long way to win- more so than the US government and citizens are.

Russia likely does not have a communist propaganda machine media that hates it current "Constitutional Republic".

They probably didn't do "nightly death tolls" and give extensive air time to Cindrotsky Sheehanski.
 

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Yes F22 had problems with obogs, that was a few years back.

F35 technology is not old.

The problem with the F35 is the program leadership and management /manufacturing model.

You lose control of quality and schedule when you offload every damn thing. The people you offload it to don't care, you are just a cash cow.
The current management is numbers only driven and does not care about a product.

<chuckle> It's not old? How long has that program been running? Remind me again?
 
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Assuming Turkey had previously been able to buy all the American made planes an anti aircraft missiles they wanted as part of NATO, why would they want to go with Russian stuff?

While I'm sure the Russian stuff is good, I don't think there is any instance where Russian stuff went up against equivalent American stuff and the outcome was anything other than the American stuff winning without even hardly trying?
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