Ruger Precision Rifle Discussion

bigjake83

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Just take the spring out. My Gen2 is now at 13 oz. with only three hundred rounds and getting better!
That trick doesn't work on the GEN3 Triggers, as soon as you close the bolt the Firing Pin falls.

I actually got lucky while rummaging through my spare parts box, I happen to find a spring of the same diameter but a lot softer. I cut it to length and installed it. Resulted in a nice 1LB Trigger.

On a side note..
Upon reassembling make sure to inspect the housing and safety components for any Burrs that can result in a sticky Safety in the Trigger Shoe.
 
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That trick doesn't work on the GEN3 Triggers, as soon as you close the bolt the Firing Pin falls.
Hmmm, interesting. There much have been a major redesign of the trigger for Gen3's.

I actually got lucky while rummaging through my spare parts box, I happen to find a spring of the same diameter but a lot softer. I cut it to length and installed it. Resulted in a nice 1LB Trigger.
I did similar thing with my Gen2 using a spring from a ball point pen and it worked just fine. But I still liked my Gen2 trigger better without any spring.
 

LongRangeLefty

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The only time I swapped a spring was on a rimfire. Changed it out for one that was in a ball point pen. Worked awesome. Haven’t messed with this one though
 

EDA

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Went out today to test the Timney on my .308 RPR. Wind was up to much to compare as well as I would have liked. But, I’m happy with it over stock. Had my second best group ever, and two that were 1 shy of ridiculous for non-comp. I did just tune down the second stage to around 1lb - looking forward to trying that. But a revelation I did not expect was that I went from 10X to 4.5X on my last group. Shoot small miss small. It was ridiculous if I could lose the flyer, but still sub moa. For a 400-600 and in shooter, 10X or get longer glass?
 

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Went out today to test the Timney on my .308 RPR. Wind was up to much to compare as well as I would have liked. But, I’m happy with it over stock. Had my second best group ever, and two that were 1 shy of ridiculous for non-comp. I did just tune down the second stage to around 1lb - looking forward to trying that. But a revelation I did not expect was that I went from 10X to 4.5X on my last group. Shoot small miss small. It was ridiculous if I could lose the flyer, but still sub moa. For a 400-600 and in shooter, 10X or get longer glass?
I have a 3.5-21 on my RPR. I usually shoot around 12-15.
 

EDA

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Wow. Just wow.

After reading about them for months and purposely waiting for the Gen 2 to come out, I picked up a .308. I was a bit disappointed at first: The hand guard was off center, various screws were loose, the muzzle brake was off center. So I took her completely apart and reassembled it in perfect alignment, torque'ing everything for precision in the process. Today was its first trip to the range. I'm thoroughly impressed. After sighting in at 100 yards and simultaneously breaking in the barrel by solvent/patch punching every 5 shots, she was ready for a little testing of preferred rounds.

The below target shows how barrels develop a preference for a given ammunition. The target is at 200 yards and each group is 10 rounds (a full mag). The bulls-eye group was shot with Federal Gold Medal Match (BTHP) 168gr. The group in the upper right area was shot with Hornady BTHP Match 168gr. I cleaned the barrel between these two tests and allowed it to fully cool. No adjustment to the scope was made because, clearly, it's dialed in. I cleaned and re-shot a 10 shot group of the Federals on a fresh target just to make sure everything was still correct and that something had not screwed up between tests. Results were the same, 10 shots inside an inch.

I have never seen an ammo preference this severe before. But wow, an out-of-the-box tack driver. I'm going to wear this thing out.
I tested 5 high end rounds and came to the same conclusion. Federal
 

LongRangeLefty

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Went out today to test the Timney on my .308 RPR. Wind was up to much to compare as well as I would have liked. But, I’m happy with it over stock. Had my second best group ever, and two that were 1 shy of ridiculous for non-comp. I did just tune down the second stage to around 1lb - looking forward to trying that. But a revelation I did not expect was that I went from 10X to 4.5X on my last group. Shoot small miss small. It was ridiculous if I could lose the flyer, but still sub moa. For a 400-600 and in shooter, 10X or get longer glass?
I have an SWFA SS that is fixed at 20x42, but I shoot f class out to 1000 so the higher magnification is important to me, but not high enough that I have troubles with mirage
 

LongRangeLefty

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Finally broke down and bought an RCBS hand priming tool. I’ve bent the priming ram on the priming arm of my Lee press twice now, which causes me to have to jam the primers up in there. It’s because my bench isn’t the most solid. Oh well. I see a lot of people prefer the hand tool.
 

trob_205

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Finally broke down and bought an RCBS hand priming tool. I’ve bent the priming ram on the priming arm of my Lee press twice now, which causes me to have to jam the primers up in there. It’s because my bench isn’t the most solid. Oh well. I see a lot of people prefer the hand tool.
I’ve always hand primed. After I saw a buddy using his press to prime I was glad I had the hand primer lol
 
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CV_Ag

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Well I shot my first PRS style match today with a local club here in Texas with my RPR. I was shooting the last of my 6.5 Prime ammo and will now start reloading with my 15 boxes of brass. My expectation was to go and get stomped but to learn a thing or two. I unknowingly ended up getting in a squad with some top PRS shooters.

Not only did I learn a ton but I was very pleased with how the RPR performed. Besides a timney upgrade it was pretty much factory and it ran flawlessly. I performed better than expected overall for my first match and the seasoned competitors were a blast to shoot with. Let me use and try out their gear and did lots of teaching. Really lights a fire under me to improve. Can’t wait to take the RPR back out for another one.
 
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Hey Guys I just picked up an 6.5 CM RPR with a LRI 26" barrel.
I replaced the trigger with a timney and the safety lever (seekins) I am getting a little wiggle in the safety now.
I made sure the spring was reinstalled. Not sure if this is normal.

Thank you
Joseph
 

TacticalDillhole

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Hey Guys I just picked up an 6.5 CM RPR with a LRI 26" barrel.
I replaced the trigger with a timney and the safety lever (seekins) I am getting a little wiggle in the safety now.
I made sure the spring was reinstalled. Not sure if this is normal.

Thank you
Joseph
When I get my trigger tomorrow I’ll let you know. Try without the spring.
 

EDA

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Hey Guys I just picked up an 6.5 CM RPR with a LRI 26" barrel.
I replaced the trigger with a timney and the safety lever (seekins) I am getting a little wiggle in the safety now.
I made sure the spring was reinstalled. Not sure if this is normal.

Thank you
Joseph
Did you remove/replace the safety? I did not, no problems. Haven’t heard of that issue either.
 
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I did remove and replace the safety. I did notice the Seekins Safety body was different than the stock one.
The body on the seekins is triangle shaped and factory safety is D shaped.
 
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TacticalDillhole

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I have a standard 90 degree Seekins. Moves about that much but everything works fine. I’ve heard the 60 deg might be a bit better but have never had any experience with it.
i use the ambi seekins safety. it has a 90 and 60 degree position depending on which way the barrel is inserted. if you put the short throw side on the left where the spring is, i dont get any wiggle at all with factory trigger. i will be receiving my timney trigger tomorrow so ill see what ahppens. but i bet you have the same safety i do, if you look on it there are 2 detent positions. the one i have here where the safety selector is the 60 degree side. per seekins, this is the side they recommend using for the RPR.
 

trob_205

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i use the ambi seekins safety. it has a 90 and 60 degree position depending on which way the barrel is inserted. if you put the short throw side on the left where the spring is, i dont get any wiggle at all with factory trigger. i will be receiving my timney trigger tomorrow so ill see what ahppens. but i bet you have the same safety i do, if you look on it there are 2 detent positions. the one i have here where the safety selector is the 60 degree side. per seekins, this is the side they recommend using for the RPR.
Awesome. Thanks!!
 
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My experiment with a 24" Proof Research barrel has come to an end on my match rifle. I was primarily focused of the 1.8lb weight saving but the amount of increased recoil especially in the way the barrel elevated(hopped) was the deal killer. I ended up having DMR put a Bartlein barrel on it and I'll pick it up tomorrow. The factory barrel was awesome for me and I expect the Bartlein to do a good job as well.
 
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TacticalDillhole

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Update for you. I received my timney trigger today. I could not install it on my rifle. long story short, my trigger is out of spec and .005" wider in the rear and doesnt fit in the receiver slot. Timney being the great company they are is taking care of it and getting a replacement out post haste.

However, i did mess with the safety. the factory safety has very little wiggle room in it, but i feel the same play in the seekins one that you do. i’d imagine as you summized earlier, this is due to the design of the berrel and the fact that it is a 60 and 90 degree throw safety where as the factory is not ambi and is a 60 degree only (ICYWY, its the same safety as the SR762). so when i get my replacement trigger, ill install it and let you know what happens. i do notice a lot of wiggle in the timney trigger saefty mechanism. if you wiggle the blade inside the slot where the safety selector fits, there is quite a bit of play, that could contribute to what you are seeing.

Also, FWIW, seekins did tell me that they have never tested their safety with the timney trigger at all so they make no claims to compatibility.
 
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trob_205

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Update for you. I received my timney trigger today. I could not install it on my rifle. long story short, my trigger is out of spec and .005" wider in the rear and doesnt fit in the receiver slot. Timney being the great company they are is taking care of it and getting a replacement out post haste.

However, i did mess with the safety. the factory safety has very little wiggle room in it, but i feel the same play in the seekins one that you do. i’d imagine as you summized earlier, this is due to the design of the berrel and the fact that it is a 60 and 90 degree throw safety where as the factory is not ambi and is a 60 degree only (ICYWY, its the same safety as the SR762). so when i get my replacement trigger, ill install it and let you know what happens. i do notice a lot of wiggle in the timney trigger saefty mechanism. if you wiggle the blade inside the slot where the safety selector fits, there is quite a bit of play, that could contribute to what you are seeing.

Also, FWIW, seekins did tell me that they have never tested their safety with the timney trigger at all so they make no claims to compatibility.
I should also say mine has timney in it and has some play but works like it’s supposed to. Havnt had a chance to flip it yet to see if that helps or not.
 

TacticalDillhole

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Another update. My upper receiver is out of spec. The trigger won’t fit. I have to have .005” milled out.

I’m so glad I only paid 959 for this fucking rifle. I have a love hate relationship with it. Bang for buck it’s totally awesome, but the overall fit and finish on everything is complete shit.
 

trob_205

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Another update. My upper receiver is out of spec. The trigger won’t fit. I have to have .005” milled out.

I’m so glad I only paid 959 for this fucking rifle. I have a love hate relationship with it. Bang for buck it’s totally awesome, but the overall fit and finish on everything is complete shit.
Damn that sucks. First I’ve seen or heard of that!
 
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I just rebarreled my RPR and have been working on load development the past 2 days. During this time I've had an unusual malfunction creep in periodically. I fire a round and when running the bolt to the rear the back side of the front lug on the bolt runs into the top round in the mag on the angled part of the shoulder just below where the shoulder meets the body/side wall of the case. When it hits the blot stops and is stuck till I work everything loose and it put a little nick in the case of the next round.

This has never happened before with either the factory barre or a Proof barrel I had in there for the past 4 months. I think that this could just be a coincidence in that It is happening right after a barrel change but really don't know. I think maybe the fix might be to adjust the mag lips to hold the top round a tad lower but that is just a guess as well. This particular malfunction also happens with 2 different mags exactly the same. They are both Accuracy mags and have functioned perfectly for the past 2 years.
 
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LongRangeLefty

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^ Interesting. The common denominator seems to be the barrel. However the quick fix could be the mag. Was it an RPR drop in barrel? Have you tried shooting with the factory pmags?
 

chukeeee

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^ Interesting. The common denominator seems to be the barrel. However the quick fix could be the mag. Was it an RPR drop in barrel? Have you tried shooting with the factory pmags?
I can't believe that the barrel has anything to do with the bolt/magazine interface. The bolt locks into the upper, the mag snaps into the lower, the barrel doesn't have any contact with either of them.
 

pell1203

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You might also try loosening/removing the lower receiver on the rifle, re-aligning, and re-tightening it back onto the upper receiver. Who knows, the lower receiver may have just been re-assembled slightly misaligned to the upper receiver when the barrel was changed.

I am not sure of proper torque values for the attachment bolts, but on Ruger's "Disassembly / Reassembly" video on their website the technician just calls "to snug it up!"

Just throwing ideas out there.
 

LongRangeLefty

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I can't believe that the barrel has anything to do with the bolt/magazine interface. The bolt locks into the upper, the mag snaps into the lower, the barrel doesn't have any contact with either of them.
True. Even if the barrel was microscopically off there would be more of an accuracy problem and not a feeding problem. Then like Pell said, I’d check out the alignment of the lower.
 

Titan85

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You might also try loosening/removing the lower receiver on the rifle, re-aligning, and re-tightening it back onto the upper receiver. Who knows, the lower receiver may have just been re-assembled slightly misaligned to the upper receiver when the barrel was changed.

I am not sure of proper torque values for the attachment bolts, but on Ruger's "Disassembly / Reassembly" video on their website the technician just calls "to snug it up!"

Just throwing ideas out there.
I recently called ruger and they said it’s 90 inch pounds
 
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I just pulled the 2 bolts on the lower and removed it. The rear bolt was hellatight, I needed to use a wrench on the bit to break it loose. In the past when I pulled the lower and retorqued at 30 in/lbs. Ruger just says snug, another video I just watched said 50 in/lbs which didn't seem too extreme. I reassembled, snugged each, torqued to 30 and then went back to 50 in/lbs on both. That should have it properly aligned and tightened. I need to load again and get back out to see it the ghost has left the machine.

Thanks All
 

TacticalDillhole

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Got to the range today. had to re establish zero after tearing rifle down. After confirming my zero I fired off a fast 8 shot group at 100 to confirm it was all set.

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Factory Barrel
Hornady 140gr ELD-M

EDIT: had to fix the target. someone else mentioned if i put in the hole size diameter and i didnt change it. i also double checked the reference measurement and that was off as well. Guess i didnt save it when i did it? anyway, changed a bit from .48 to .66. still not bad for the ol RPR and me. Personally, i still think this target is off. it looks more like a 1 MOA group than .6 MOA. i ll have to make sure i know what i am doing with this program. me thinks if i put calipers on it it would be closer to 1 MOA. not as impressive i guess. Well, another edit, looks like it is in the .6 range.

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