- Apr 26, 2013
A range finder is exactly what I'd buy if my family was hungry.No I don't work for them or any store, It's just that I found something that will turn a beginner in to a skilled marksman and put them in to the top 80/90% of shooters and not to mention that some folks depend on their rifle for food out in the bush, being able to make the shot with limited time to spare in Winter Time is the difference between feeding their families or going hungry.
No joke, this is a killer deal for a truly badass long range LRF. High power, accurate, rugged, well built, US made. If you wanted a Vectronix or something for use with, say, a .338 or .50BMG (or bigger) but couldn't afford it, this may be the one for you.shameless plug, but heres an option
I have the 2000-B and love me some Leica! fast and accurate.FWIW I have a Leica 1600 that has yet to fail me. Very accurate on deer sized objects out to 1400...larger objects out to 1720 that I have been able to range. Being steady and the lighting has a lot to do with a LRF being worthy from my experiences.
Mine have a stiff fire and power button and you have to hold them like binos. The "military hold" works best (thumbs up instead of around the unit). Even if it's on a tripod, still has to be fired this way. Given how far they work, it's really the only drawback so far. Can't hold 'em stable enough to hit a target miles away with 7x mag and unsupported. Why that tape switch is such a fantastic idea.If people are struggling to hold the ConX still ranging targets then that says more about how they shake and need to control their breathing like you do when you are firing your rifle, You should not use an LRF like you do binos, Because with binos you are browsing with an LRF you are Aiming, If people learn to point/Aim their LRF's like they do their rifles they will get much better results.
When I first got mine it was fine at out to 800 yards but the main issue was "Me" because I was using it like I did my old LRF and Once I worked that out I was ranging stuff out to a mile, The ConX has a much smaller bean than older models which was another thing I did not know and had to account for, So far I have never used mine off a tripod, It's not that mine is better it is because I re-educated my self on what I was doing wrong, It would be easy to blame the ConX learning better ranging habits will get better results, It is not like a Camera either where you point and shoot, Some folks say that it only works if they use a tripod well that says more about them than it does the ConX, If it works off a Tripod then it will work Off Hand.
Hope that helps.
My ConX Elite 1 Mile is reliable out to 1000 on steel, which is consistent with/slightly better than the 1/2 distance rule of thumb. Since I’m planning on going out further, I’ve ordered the Nikon 4K.Forget the sig2000 it has had too many issues, The sig 2200 would be better or the Bushnell ConX if you want to be able to Bluetooth it to Apps and it is a highly fool proof system and then there is quite a jump in price to the sig2400 which, not too sure about the new Nikon yes it has the range but as of yet it is unproven. If money was not a problem then I would be looking at the new BR2500 and then the TerrapinX.
My spotting scope is in a KDG Optics Hub (https://kineticdg.com/product/the-optics-hub). I attached a Wiebad bag to the hub and rest the ConX on that. Works great. The Nikon mounts vertically, so I’ll probably put it on a pic rail mounted on the side of the Optics hub when it arrives.8<
Don't any of you guys rest your RF's off the side of the rifle when laying down prone to steady it up when ranging? It's my go-to way, I rarely use the tripod anymore. I hate having to carry all kinds of stuff around with me, it can get ridiculous.
Yep they are good on steel, I use mine for ranging buildings and such when drawing maps etc and I have ranged animals more than double than Bushnell claim, I guess some folks just don't Gel with how it works and those that do are rewarded.My ConX Elite 1 Mile is reliable out to 1000 on steel, which is consistent with/slightly better than the 1/2 distance rule of thumb. Since I’m planning on going out further, I’ve ordered the Nikon 4K.
Well it's funny how you can't get the Sigs or the ConX to Range out past 850m/929.5yds yet all their owners can, I have ranged the Tip of a 1/4" wide CB Ariel at 229yds using the ConX handheld, and I have ranged Trees beyond 1500 yds and a 1mil Target 1688yrds. All the models you claim as being substandard have all proven them selves.Lets not get to far with bulshit . Conx and Arc and whatever other low power LRF measuring wonders
We have tested bunch of LRFs and simply can't buy fairytales of nominaly mile or under LRFs making any useful reads past 1000y on useful size targets not houses ,barns or skyscrapers, we tested bunch on top of tripods so no shake in measurement .
Also tested each an every one to find where beam is hitting in the reticle so to have best chance of making a read and all strugled past 1000m on white very reflective metal target 3x3+feet in size ,
we had bunch of metal targets from 700-1050m an overcast so not sunny should be favorable condition for laser return, Kilo 2200 couldnt make it past 850m .second Kilo2200 couldnt range the 1050m reflective target but pinged of a 1000m tree in front of the target , Leica 2700 got a 1050m relfective target every time and was considerably faster than any other LRF but couldnt get a read on a 5x5 metal target that was painted black with red stripes (paint not reflective enough) at 850m , one of the Kilo 2200 could also ping that one every time , Leica Geovid previous model couldnt make it past 900m , noname chicom bino LRF sold in US under Rudolph and Snypex brands pinged all including 1050m even from the hand. Kilo 2400 also pinged all. Leica 1600 maxed out at around 900m. All the tests so far show that ranging capability varies considerably from one unit to another also from battery state ,Sig Sauer being probably most hit and mis affair of all tested so far.(you can get a kinda good working unit or a lemon )
But rule of the thumb seems to be 1/3.-1/2(best case scenario) of nominal range against very reflective practical targets is about as good as you can expect from a good unit.
Waiting for a new Terrapin and keeping fingers crossed its real deal ,bought 4 LRF in last 2 years and want ot move up and leave a these branded chicom hit and miss LRFs behind. I hope manufacturers stop fucking around with building all sorts of balistic stuff into the LRFs , make LRFs actualy range reliably first.
Read some other coments from owners and there are plenty that have seen dismal preformance and great variation from unit to unit. Good for you if your unit works as advertised .Well it's funny how you can't get the Sigs or the ConX to Range out past 850m/929.5yds yet all their owners can, I have ranged the Tip of a 1/4" wide CB Ariel at 229yds using the ConX handheld, and I have ranged Trees beyond 1500 yds and a 1mil Target 1688yrds. All the models you claim as being substandard have all proven them selves.
It's not about BS, I am just surprized that you had so many differing results from the most popular brands and models, I have used and tested quite a few LRF's and never come up against what you have experienced, Where people claiming and posting photos of their LRF's hitting things beyond 3200yds yet you say that many of them struggle beyond 900 to a 1000, Is quality control really that bad within the industry because if so then something needs to be done about it, I would expect 1 in every 1000 or less to not be as good as others but from what you say then we really have a problem.Read some other coments from owners and there are plenty that have seen dismal preformance and great variation from unit to unit. Good for you if your unit works as advertised .
But like i said tested a bunch of them at the same time and resoults were not too encuraging against practical sized metal targets , am making another test next friday about dozen LRFs ,with both Nikon offerings as well as some LRF Binos and usual Sigs and Leicas ,will see what gives ,but unlike you i now have done tests with many LRFs side by side mounted of tripod and in number of cases with multiple units of the same model LRF so lets just say i would consider that more objective than your experience with one unit.
Spare us your BS '' i know a secret handshake and press button that makes them work and you don't'' seriusly LOL
Yep, Seems like a bit of a Turkey shoot when it comes to these things, So far all mine have been right up there, but I have seen some Guys here struggle to say the least, These companies nee to smarten up and raise the Bar when it comes to QC,You have to spearate hype from the rest, influencers from genuine reviews, initialy there are bunch of great reviews , but check peoples real world experiencs , they are far of hype. Take 5 minutes to browse these reviews just in last couple of months , or maybe just on the newest Nikon 3000 and 4K that are very recent. Reality is such that these Chicom LRFs have considerable variations unit to unit Sig probably being one of the worst ones in that respect. Leica is practicaly only non chicom LRF and it shows ,its the most consistent so far.
Not looking to range 10'' at a mile but be consistent on practical sized rougly cca 2 moa ,cca 0.6mil metalic targets at least up to1200+y and it is in my opinion not too much of an ask. Not interesting at lasing buildings or rock faces don't care about any built in balistics or other feature . And like said have another test planed on 1st with at least dozen LRFs including both new Nikons and will se what gives if Nikon is any better good
Well done BR, Man those LRFs really suck, what on earth has happened to QC with these companies, Soon It won't be safe to Buy any of them, Thanks for taking the time to give us a fair test, Good Job.Did a short test yesterday with bunch of LRF's ,budget to not so budget models ,most targets 2moa some much larger at up to 1200y. Conditions varied from overcast to bright summer day to slight rain, but mostly slight overcast so not too adverse to LRF preformance , most targets white metal plates some paper and some red metal (issue to most LRFs)
Best value for money on the test > Vortex Ranger 1300 did measure all targets till 1100y and 1200y tree was no issue ,ATN Laser Balistics 1500 could range all targets including 1100y 2moa metal target .Both units deliver what the promise . ATN reticle box is a tad large for the job .
Bigest flop of the day Nikon Monarch 3000 and Black 4K suck bad , both had issues past 1000y , while Monarch 3000 stabilisation feature is great , ranging preformance sucks ,4K measured all but only with repeated trys so no consistently . Promise vs delivery ratio is off the charts with these units. Maybe they meant 3000 and 4000ft with the model designations. Interestngly old Nikon 1200 preformed on level of Monarch 3000 ,Measured large 10x2ft cluster of paper targets at 1000y but couldn' measure small 2 moa 1000y targets.
Top preformers :Sig Kilo 2400AB ,Leica 2700
2 of 3 Sig Kilo 2200 (3rd .Kilo 2200 Couldn't make it past 1000y)
Tested also Zeiss Victory RF binos , no issues with range and great glass but man ranging takes like forever ,you press a button and then you wait for what seems like eternety . I wouldn't buy them even considerable discount as they were just too anoying to use.
Vortex Fury Bino - not too impresive . Rudolph RF bino has the best RF preformance of rf Binos tested
None could measure rock face under 2000y away.
Couldnt make it half way > Yukon Extend 1000 worked to cca 700y
All Rf tested both off hand and from tripod.
I think my problems come from me wanting to range 2moa steel targets not much larger stuff people do in many of these reviews, some of which are of course pure influencer PR and sould be taken with grain of salt.I am not disagreeing with what you experienced but I do want to add that what you experienced with the Nikon's is certainly not the norm as the review below cites different results. Not disputing your claims, just showing that others are getting better results. In the short time, I used the BLACK 4K and MONARCH 3000 Stabilized I thought both performed very well and would serve my shooting needs.