prefered 6.5 hunting bullet

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Have a new 6.5 4S. Pretty standard- 1-8.5 brux mag sporter at 22", 0.81" freebore, 700SA. Whitetail are the main target. I have 143 ELD-X, but am wondering if 139 scenar might be a bit stouter? I'd rather not be picking bullet slivers out of my venison, but I'm looking for half decent ballistic performance as well. Thoughts?
 

Jackalope

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127 LRX would solve the bullet sliver problem. I think the 130 TGK is a good option as well. Realistically, anything out of a 6.5 4S, put in the right spot, is gonna be effective on a white tail deer.
 
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Wyfox

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I had terrible experience with the ELD-X in my 6.5saum, very inconsistent expansion on game for me. I switched to the Nosler Accubond Long Range and had incredible success, so much so I ordered 2,000 of them. I run the 129 at 3,250fps in a 24" barreled 6.5 saum.
 

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ELD-X is much better suited for the job. If you're not a fan of the ELD-X (not sure why but just in case), the ABLR is an excellent choice. You shouldn't have to worry about having enough "oomph" until you're looking at elk or something. Then step up to a barnes and make sure you're above the FPS threshold for expansion.
 
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127 LRX would solve the bullet sliver problem. I think the 130 TGK is a good option as well. Realistically, anything out of a 6.5 4S, put in the right spot, is gonna be effective on a white tail deer.
Deer are not hard to kill- but I don't want a bullet that's going to blow them to pieces either. LRX may well be an option.

I had terrible experience with the ELD-X in my 6.5saum, very inconsistent expansion on game for me. I switched to the Nosler Accubond Long Range and had incredible success, so much so I ordered 2,000 of them. I run the 129 at 3,250fps in a 24" barreled 6.5 saum.
Interesting that the LRAB is working well for you. I had fears that they were too soft as well.
 

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Tried the ELD-X... we shot 5 deer, 1 elk and 3 antelope with them from 400-930yds, we had very poor results, they did not expand and just penciled through in 3 of the deer and couldn't even find an entry or exit hole until we opened the rib cage. In the others we had the bullets come completely apart if they hit shoulder or heavy bone. I lost 2 really nice bucks with perfect behind the shoulder shots, they ran for hundreds of yards with zero blood trail and died who knows where.

Switched to the LRAB and have had incredible success, everything has been DRT and the bullet performance has been superb! I loaded them in my daughters creedmoor and she had an epic season last fall. The bull elk was 250yds and she shot him through both front shoulders dropping him in his tracks and the 129gr LRAB was a perfect mushroom under the skin of the opposite shoulder. I also loaded the 129 in my friends son's creedmoor and he had an equally epic season.
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thought i read the eld-x was great on elk, oh well. how about the 120 gmx, anyone, for elk out of 6.5 creed, factory load?
 

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Some have had success with it, but most of them have only taken an animal or two with them which doesn't give you a good baseline for performance. I'm fortunate to live where I do and we (friends and family) harvest alot of game and a huge variety of game at that. I was excited about the ELD-X when it was introduced and gave them a shot (pun intended). I just was not impressed at all plus the base to ogive was all over the map. I even tried the ELD-M on game and they were even worst, nothing like the old Amax that I've had success with in the past.

Extremely happy with the Nosler's, their results have earned my business!
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129gr LRAB from 6.5 cm through both shoulders of a bull elk at 250yds.
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Caveman0101

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14 elk (and lots of whitetails and muleys) in the last 5 years with the ABLR 142gr in 260 rem and 150 gr 280 rem out to 630 yards all DRT no tracking.
 
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Caveman0101

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Correction, one of those bulls, my youngest son's first, was 617 yards with the 129gr ABLR out of 260 rem. He took two steps and crumbled.
 
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is there a factory load for 6.5 creed lrab anyone can recommend?

is the factory federal 140 accubond the same thing, or need the 'long range' which seems to be 129g only, again for elk.
 
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HoustonB77

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I think you will get mixed results from users on every bullet in the world. MOST of the time when a hunter says the bullet didn't perform it was due to poor shot placement. Most hunters won't admit that. I have had excellent results with the ELDX. I have also had great results with the Barnes ttsx in my 25-06. I have found that if you put just about any hunting type bullet in the boiler room it will get the job done on Texas whitetails.
 
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agreed. just ordered some nosler ablr 129 factory ammo (spendy at $50 or 2x the 143 eldx). also have the hornady 143 eld-x. prob will do a shootout and will use the most accurate in my rifle.
 
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interesting. have you or anyone else shot this, any feedback? also, can't find this anywhere on ammoseek or going to the normal ammo websites?
 
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To answer your question on the stoutness of y the Scenar vs ELDX...

IME over several calibers the Scenars are more robust than the ELDs/AMaxes/Bergers. The 6.5 139 is an absolute peach, and the 123s have never disappointed.

Like said above, the 143s have been too inconsistent for me. I've had them ZOOK and "pencil" somewhat with minimal internal damage. The 147 Ms have been great at CM and 47L velocities.
 
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I think you will get mixed results from users on every bullet in the world. MOST of the time when a hunter says the bullet didn't perform it was due to poor shot placement. Most hunters won't admit that. I have had excellent results with the ELDX. I have also had great results with the Barnes ttsx in my 25-06. I have found that if you put just about any hunting type bullet in the boiler room it will get the job done on Texas whitetails.
In general what you say I’m sure is true. But not always.

I have to wonder if the higher speeds some of us are running, just don’t work the way we might expect when running solids.

I run 168VLD at 3150 on my 7mm these seem to work great. Yet I run 14oTTSX over 3200 FPS and not so much. I one case a large hog was shot thru the hart, little frags exited, while the animal was dead in short order, the damn thing didn’t leak an ounce of blood until cut open - I also could not find the exit wounds until skinned and tiny pin hole exit wounds were found.

Sure it died, but it certainly was nothing like i’ve seen with the 168s not in any “sales propaganda” on Barnes sites or adds.

I just don’t think all bullets work well at all speeds, more so than it always being poor shot placement.
 
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+1 on the 127gr LRX

My hunting partner took his sheep this year with the 143gr ELD-X. It worked well, but it came apart. Shot was at 528 yards where it should have been running out of steam. Found the jacket and one chunk. Dall sheep don’t exactly have a huge will to live tho. I’d look elsewhere for tougher game.

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Jackalope

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I really like the way the bergers fly, but at the ranges I usually shoot game, they tend to come apart pretty violently. I killed a coyote with one at about 75 yards and it was about in two pieces. Mule deer at 20 yards acted like it wasn’t hit, walked a couple steps and then fell over dead. No visible entry wound and I recovered the base of the bullet under the off side hide.

 

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Exactly the same results as Wyfox. We only use 129 LRAB hunting in all our 6.5s. They have performed exactly as expected and they shoot damn will.
Well.... 123 amax or 130 eld for coyotes
 
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HoustonB77

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In general what you say I’m sure is true. But not always.

I have to wonder if the higher speeds some of us are running, just don’t work the way we might expect when running solids.

I run 168VLD at 3150 on my 7mm these seem to work great. Yet I run 14oTTSX over 3200 FPS and not so much. I one case a large hog was shot thru the hart, little frags exited, while the animal was dead in short order, the damn thing didn’t leak an ounce of blood until cut open - I also could not find the exit wounds until skinned and tiny pin hole exit wounds were found.

Sure it died, but it certainly was nothing like i’ve seen with the 168s not in any “sales propaganda” on Barnes sites or adds.

I just don’t think all bullets work well at all speeds, more so than it always being poor shot placement.

Funny you say that. I have had horrible luck with 168 Berger hunters in my 7mm mag. Zero exit wounds when shot up close and personal. I shot a buck at 60 yards no exit wound. Same thing on a doe at 178. Both where dead but the bullet did not exit and zero blood trail on either. No when I shot further out I had better luck.
 
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