Picking a .30 cal can, too many choices

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I've started looking into a do it all can for my rifles. Would be used on a 24" 6.5Cr, 14.5" 5.56, and a 16" 6.5 Grendel. Uses are from precision, plinking, and hog/ coyote hunting.

So my main concern is how heavy is too heavy? I want something decently quiet but where do you draw the line to save length and weight?

Also would say getting a can really hot on a 500 round range day with the 5.56 affect long term performance with the 6.5creed?

Current cans I have had my eye on are the Dead Air(same state) and Rugged suppressors.
 
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You won't find a better can than a TBAC Ultra 7 or 9. The 7 is lighter, the 9 is quieter, although the 9 is still incredibly light. Pick the best and don't look back. Their customer service is excellent as well.
 
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You won't find a better can than a TBAC Ultra 7 or 9. The 7 is lighter, the 9 is quieter, although the 9 is still incredibly light. Pick the best and don't look back. Their customer service is excellent as well.
I wouldnt mind having a titanium can later down the road but from everything I've read they don't handle the head as well as say a steel can.Will for sure keep them in mind though.
 
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Unless you are running that 5.56/6.5 Grendel full auto (or very fast, sustained semi-auto), TBAC's Ti cans will do you just fine. For your uses (precision, plinking, hunting) the TBAC cans will be hard to beat for everything except sustained rapid fire. I regularly put 150-200 rounds of .260 through an Ultra 9 in an afternoon with no issue.
 
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Don't leave out the new Q cans. Full or Half Nelson for direct thread, Thunder Chicken/Trash Panda for QD cans. Lonestar Boars on youtube has been using them in his videos for hog hunts. They sound great and are really lightweight.
 
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Don't leave out the new Q cans. Full or Half Nelson for direct thread, Thunder Chicken/Trash Panda for QD cans. Lonestar Boars on youtube has been using them in his videos for hog hunts. They sound great and are really lightweight.
I have not seen them yet. I will check them out. I've watched his youtube some but didnt pay attention to the cans.
 
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I'll throw a few more in to muddy up the waters.... my first rifle can was my surefire 7.62rc, I ran that on EVERYTHING. It was on my ar-10(308, Tavor, ar-15's including my 11.5 machine gun in 5.56 and 10.5 in 300. I loved and abused it and it's still sounding great and resides permanently on my surgeon scalpel in .260. I now have an omega that is kind of a floating can, it is the quietest on my 10.5 300blk but I recently put an oss on that one for good, I also put an oss on one of my ar-10's for good as well. They are slightly louder than the omega but the reduction in back pressure is worth it. I now run a socom 5.56 mini on my FA sbr and it is far from hearing safe but does take the bite off a bit. I have a socom 5.56 rc that's on a 204 that is super quiet and with the longer barrel is decent on pressure. I also have a big bore harvester that is another floater and is ironically super quiet on my ar-10.

BTW this all started with the same, I'll just get one that will work in everything....
 
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... I recently put an oss on that one for good, I also put an oss on one of my ar-10's for good as well. They are slightly louder than the omega but the reduction in back pressure is worth it. ...
What generation OSS cans do you have? There doesn't seem to be too many reviews that address what they are like after 5000 ads etc. I'm a lefty and can't stand the blowback on a surefire 556 can. Are they as effective as they claim?

 
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What generation OSS cans do you have? There doesn't seem to be too many reviews that address what they are like after 5000 ads etc. I'm a lefty and can't stand the blowback on a surefire 556 can. Are they as effective as they claim?
On my 10.5 300blk I have one of the earlier gens not sure which one, I'll look closer when I get home, but it has been great. We have the same one on one of the shop guns that is also full auto and have ran thousands of rounds thru it and not a problem. The nice thing is they are serviceable and easy to clean. I will admit that I haven't personally put more than a few hundred rounds down it at a time in FA because even reloading 300 isn't cheap enough for me to just burn it up.... But when my RDIAS first transferred that was the original host and I did 4-5 mag dumps in a row and my father did the same and it ran just fine, so take that for what its worth.

On my AR-10 I have the new EL762k+ and it also performs flawlessly. I have ran both the big bore harvester and the omega on that rifle and although they are quieter downrange or even off to the side at the shooters ear it is not as noticeable and it runs clean! The big bore is the quietest thing I have ever ran on that AR-10 but after 100 rounds it is dirty enough to start malfunctioning if allowed to cool off.

I just read about another company that is doing an over the barrel suppressor and I can't think of their name but there are numerous advantages to this type of set up and the only real draw back is that they seem to be slightly louder. The biggest positive is that the OSS REALLY does cut way down on the blowback. When I swapped my 300 over to the OSS I removed the adjustable gas block and put a standard on, and it is running with the pdw stock that requires the buffer/bcg combo. I guess it really depends on what is you overall goal. If you were near OK I would be happy to let you demo them.
 

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Unless you are running that 5.56/6.5 Grendel full auto (or very fast, sustained semi-auto), TBAC's Ti cans will do you just fine. For your uses (precision, plinking, hunting) the TBAC cans will be hard to beat for everything except sustained rapid fire. I regularly put 150-200 rounds of .260 through an Ultra 9 in an afternoon with no issue.

Avoid Ti at your own shagrin. The Thunder Beast Suppressors are the standard. I would def recommend the Ultra 7. Mine has been amazing and it will handle any string of fire your bolt rifle can handle. I also use it for team matches where I use a semi auto...ive put several mags through it on a course of fire. Never missed a beat.


Good Luck!
DT
 

NateVA

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I personally decided on the TBAC Ultra-9 because they seem to be the standard for precision rifles. Not sure how that applies to your applications with semi-autos though.
 

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I can't say enough about my Rugged Surge 7.62. Unconditional lifetime warranty, machine gun rated, modular for a long or short config. Very quite. I run mine in my 6.5 bolt guns, 308 and 6.5cm semis, 6.5 Grendel and 5.55 and my and 5.56 and 300blk. Zero complaints
 
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I can't say enough about my Rugged Surge 7.62. Unconditional lifetime warranty, machine gun rated, modular for a long or short config. Very quite. I run mine in my 6.5 bolt guns, 308 and 6.5cm semis, 6.5 Grendel and 5.55 and my and 5.56 and 300blk. Zero complaints
I like my Surge also, my Razor should be approved any day now. They are great cans with an excellent mount, mine has zero shift if I remove the can and put it back on between multiple rifles. I'm currently waiting on a 6.5 Ultra 9 for my 260 Tikka, lately I'm going more towards lighter and shorter cans. My next will be the Rugged Micro 30 or an Ultra 5 mainly for hunting where I'm not firing that many rounds. The SiCo Omega is also a good choice, its durable with a lifetime warranty and also has modular mounting options.
 
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You guys basically are throwing up the cans I am looking at plus a few I didn't think about. It doesnt seem like there is a wrong choice per say, its just picking what ever trade offs I want to deal with. QD system is a must for whatever I pick.
 
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One bonus with the omega is that not only does it cone with a qd but if you register it right now, sico will give you an additional one fo free!
 

Strykervet

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The TBAC Ultra 9 is almost always my first choice if it'll work, but the 7 may suit you better if you only have the one. I use their 9" and 5" cans in .30 and 6.5. If you aren't gonna use this on a .30 and don't plan to, then get it in 6.5. With the TBAC you'll have to let it cool between strings. You can't do mag dump after mag dump with 'em. Firing 5.56 in it won't affect it. This is the go-to can for precision and low weight. It has a thread-over brake design, so it has all the advantages and none of the problems of a direct thread can. It's not true QD, but it's fast enough and quieter than QD, no ratcheting sounds. The 5" can is an actual hearing safe suppressor, but just barely --it's damn short too, only adds like 4" and is better than a moderator. Almost weightless on the end of a rifle. I use it more than I thought I would. The 9" is just amazing, but a bit long for some rifles. Not to mention the owner is a member here and frequently answers questions regarding them.

Elite Iron makes cans in 6.5 as well as .30 also, and he also uses a thread-over brake design, however, his cans are make of solid 316 and can handle more abuse. The thread-over design makes it mount solid like the TBAC. Elite Iron cans are well made but not over priced. His lower prices are not an indicator of performance or construction, although he does pass on some savings by using 316 vs. exotic alloys. He claims 316 is not only sufficient, it's one of the better materials; I tend to trust him as he's an honest guy and he's also a metallurgist by profession. FWIW, never heard of an Elite Iron can taking a shit.

The Sico Saker 7.62 is a solid mounting true QD can. No threads, it ratchets on and locks on with a cam behind the mount. Well thought out design, mounts solid and doesn't move, comes with more options, accessories and mounts than any other can I know of. You can get different size end caps; they have 5.56, not sure about 6.5 but you could easily take a 5.56 and bore it out. Some are specialty end caps, like flash hiders or breachers. I understand the 7.62 can is quieter with 5.56 than the dedicated 5.56 can, which I have. It is a bit bigger. This is a solid can that can also handle abuse.

KAC QDC is a fairly light, pretty accurate, indexed, true QD can. It's also expensive, and given there are other cans for less that'll suppress better than -28dB, this may not be the one. It's a nice can though and worth a mention.

There are bad choices! AAC makes a great can, but I can't recommend those 51T mounts to anyone. The 90T I hear is better, but not risking it. CS is historically horrible. Then you have a lot of small shops that are just cutting cheap, basic cans, many using aluminum, then you have others, gimmicky as hell and promising the world. Owners vary from honest to "will lie about anything to get a sale". So you can go wrong with both well known and small time or new shops as easily as you can go right if you don't do your homework, especially considering you are mostly buying blind here and are generally forced to go off someone else's experience with it.

In all cases, I've found those PRI Gasbuster charging handles to be worth it on AR's with suppressors. I like the combat latch model. They don't stop gas leaking out, but are the difference between having stinging gas in your eyes or not.

Good luck!
 

carnageasada

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Another call out for TBAC Ultra cans, I've been at a couple events now with folks shooting varied setups and without fail people comment on how quiet my can is. I have an Ultra 9 on my precision short action bolt and it's quiet even on the first cold shot. Not to mention how great they've been to deal with as a company.

You mentioned QD as a must, but the threads on their breaks and flash hiders work across calibers with the same can, i.e. I use this Ultra 9 30cal on a 308, 6.5, and 223, with the latter being very hush. Maybe the QD isn't just for versatility somehow, just thought I'd mention that.
 
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Another call out for TBAC Ultra cans, I've been at a couple events now with folks shooting varied setups and without fail people comment on how quiet my can is. I have an Ultra 9 on my precision short action bolt and it's quiet even on the first cold shot. Not to mention how great they've been to deal with as a company.

You mentioned QD as a must, but the threads on their breaks and flash hiders work across calibers with the same can, i.e. I use this Ultra 9 30cal on a 308, 6.5, and 223, with the latter being very hush. Maybe the QD isn't just for versatility somehow, just thought I'd mention that.

I picked my wording wrong there. I guess I meant I needed muzzle devices that worked from .223 up that the can could go on. Would hate to have adapters on barrels and not have them braked while the can is on another rifle
 

carnageasada

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I picked my wording wrong there. I guess I meant I needed muzzle devices that worked from .223 up that the can could go on. Would hate to have adapters on barrels and not have them braked while the can is on another rifle
Ah, gotcha, then for a TBAC setup you'd need a 6.5 Ultra (I'd get the 9, but 7 would work for you, the quiet's just so good...), 2 x 30CB brake and 1 x 223CB brake, done. This is very similar to what I have, with the exception of the 30cal version of the can, which is a touch more versatile. As Strykervet mentioned, watch your temp every group of targets and you should be GTG.
 
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I've been running a Lane Scorpion King on the 308 and a Lane Scorpion Magnum on the .260. Very happy with them, Semitical Blast Baffle seems to get it done take down design is nice for cleaning. Can't complain about the Ultra 7 or 9 either. The ultra 7 worked very well on the TS 22-243 I have. Lots of good options out there.
 

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I will throw out one more to think about, Liberty Chaotic. It is 6" long and and 2" in diameter. It's shorter than the ultra 7 and has more capacity than the ultra 9. I run it on 5 different rifles and love it.
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waveslayer

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I TBAC Ultra can all the way. I use one and love it. My dad and brother have other cans, they don't perform as well as my TBAC
 

CBlack

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While I've only run it on my blackout, I have the Sig 762SRDTi-QD (all titanium). I've shot it next to a Gemtech HVT and a SiCo Saker, and there is no comparison. I had it zeroed at 35 yards, and brought it out to a hundred without missing a beat. Latching mechanism works very well. They say it's a "precision rifle can" but can't comment on that part yet.
 
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I just received my sig 762 QD. (Stainless) and ran it with 556 and 308. Quality outstanding. Quietness and sound amazing. Attaching system very easy.
Now I have to obtain a mirage sleeve. Shooting indoors and no wind make the sight picture difficult after a bunch of rounds. Buy with confidence !
 

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Q Thunder Chicken or SIG SRD 7.62 QD TI if you don't care about length added, SiCo Omega with Area 419 QD mount and flat end cap if you do care about length added.

 

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SilencerCo Omega. I am still amazed that they are so quiet for being only 6 inches of tube. I still think it is the best deal on the market and has been ever since it came out.
 
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So far I'm liking my Ron Allen AE30. I still have an old OPS 3rd model I bought years ago when he was with that company. The 3rd model gives great suppression, but it's definitely a dedicated bolt-gun can, given its length & weight. The AE 30 is shorter and lighter.
 
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I have
1. Dead Air Sandman L. Great can. Solid mount
2. Surefire SOCOM762RC i still like it
3. Saker762 with a Key-Mo mount. Key-mo solved mount issues
4. TBAC 30P-1. My 1st precision can. Still good.
5. Crux Ark and Archangel. My 2nd set of precision rifle cans.

Great cans to look at:

TBAC ULTRA 7 and 9
Crux Ark and Archangel
Q thunder Chicken and Trash Panda


Dead Air Sandman L and S Rugged Surge SIG SRD762QD
Larue Tactical Tranquilo
Griffen armament Recce 7



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I like my Surge also, my Razor should be approved any day now. They are great cans with an excellent mount, mine has zero shift if I remove the can and put it back on between multiple rifles. I'm currently waiting on a 6.5 Ultra 9 for my 260 Tikka, lately I'm going more towards lighter and shorter cans. My next will be the Rugged Micro 30 or an Ultra 5 mainly for hunting where I'm not firing that many rounds. The SiCo Omega is also a good choice, its durable with a lifetime warranty and also has modular mounting options.
Can you follow up on the Razor? I am currently looking at the razor and I am curious how it will perform. Will be going on 6.5 bolt gun.
 

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I am a TBAC fan, but if you are concerned about durability, let me suggest a Shark. I have an older 338 Shark and while it is heavy, it is nearly indestructible. David has since made his cans lighter.
 

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Reading this it looks like my next can may be a TBAC. I was thinking the sandman, but no having second thoughts.

I will recommend the SAS Resistor though, I’ve used it one gas and bolts, .308, 6.5, and .223 cal rifles. It’s been fantastic the few years I’ve owned it. I may just get another one I’m so pleased with it, but also want to try something new.
 
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Hi,

The Ultras are a lot stronger than most people realize, and they can take a lot more heat than most people realize-- or maybe it's that people over-estimate how hot they get their cans/barrels. There is no getting around the physical material properties of titanium, and that's why we have our "Material Properties" section on the Ultras' web pages, and the "Application Notes". However, it takes some serious abuse to get them to the point where you are even doing incremental damage, more than most people are willing to a "1 MOA barrel" through.

You are like 1000x more likely to have suppressor damage due to a crap muzzle thread job than getting an Ultra too hot.