BE AWARE: Just because a barrel has our logo on the side of it doesn’t mean we did ANY of the current work on the rifle. Even the chamber could have been set-back by someone else and the muzzle work done elsewhere also. I think more times than not, when I’ve seen a rifle a guy bought used assuming we did everything done to the rifle, we did not do everything that has been done.
I don’t want to scare people away from buying used rifles, especially ours because we stand behind them and do a lot to help people out regarding this topic, but remember to ask directly “what did PCR do and what was done, if anything, elsewhere?”
At least then they have to tell the truth, or lie, and you’re not making any assumptions.
We label every barrel install we do(which may change), even if that is the only service being done. And we do a lot of barreled actions that guys bed and coat “themselves”. So please be aware of this when buying used rifles or seeing work and assuming where it was done.
Here’s another shout out to Phoenix Custom Rifles. I received my complete rifle build from them last week and I’m thoroughly impressed. They completely exceeded my expectations. I can’t find a flaw or blemish anywhere on the rifle. It’s literally a work of art. And it shoots like a million bucks. I don’t like any of the new stuff, my tastes are about five years out of date. But PCR built exactly what I wanted. The rifle sits on my dinning room table and I stare at it for hours. Then my wife comes home and have to put it away.
Hey guys I suggest using the desktop version when viewing our site. You should be able to view the desktop version from both smart phones AND computers.
And a note on the Seekins Havak actions... We will rebarrel them, bed them, and coat them, but if changing chambering you must use a different mag system.
For example, going from 300wm to 7mag, I have found issues with their carbon fiber mags. Switching to AICS mags using a different bottom metal seems to work great. But I’m sorry to say I’m not too happy with the Seekins mags so far. Seekins is very helpful, and maybe they’ll have better luck getting the mags to feed various cartridges, but as of right now I won’t do any major caliber switches with the actions until I see more about them. Feeding worries me a bit. Call me to discuss options.
Be sure to order a barrel with a 1” longer cylinder area. Itn other words make sure the blank has over 3” of cylinder, and still plenty to cut off the muzzle end(1” at LEAST).
I prefer to cut 1/2” off the breach end, then face off, and to cut 1.5” off the muzzle end, .. that’s how I prefer to have them when I indicate them in. So I need blanks 2” longer than finish at least, and again if using a DEFIANCE ELITE action, order it with at least 3” of cylinder length(1” finish cylinder, and 1.8” of thread tenon)
So far I’ve gotten by with regular blanks that have like 2.5” of cylinder length on the blank and it’s BARELY enough. Only leaves aboot 5/8” of finished cylinder and we prefer more.
Btw I’m soon going to have some DOs and DONTs on our website. Just to ensure as many people as possible are giving the rifles every chance to succeed.
It will focus on how and when to clean, and will repeat over and over DO NOT USE A LEAD SLED(or any recoil absorbing rest). Your rifle needs to kick you. Sorry.
Wait times are generally 2-6 weeks on full builds.
Small jobs like cerakote, a bed job, brake install, etc. we typically get done in a week. Waiting on parts is usually what delays things beyond that.
Trigger tech is our go-to trigger now. I’m sorry to say I won’t be buying any more Timneys unless the customer demands.
That new plastic economy stock by mcmillan seems strong, and is surprisingly machinable. Sanding them sucks though so some barrel channel inlets will be a PITA. I do think the stock is a good option for some people... Preferably with factory barrel contours still. It’s a great upgrade for factory rifles. If you’re planning an aftermarket build though, maybe consider an original mcmillan stock.
We added another shooter here in AZ to our shooting team roster and I’m happy to say we all did well in 2018. We’ll have updates on our shooting team posted on our website, and I will be revamping our YouTube channel.
Time to step things up a bit.
We’re now using BRUX barrels pretty exclusively. Other cut rifled(namely Bartlein and Krieger) barrels are absolutely great and we’re happy to use them, but we’re only keeping BRUX in stock.
Thanks very much everyone. We appreciate the support and try to give back all we can.
Guys when you use a chassis system, the bottom metal or magazine holding portion isn’t moveable. It is fixed where it is and all one can do is alter the latch length to alter mag positioning.
Most of these chassis are designed for 700 actions. That’s a .696” diameter bolt. I’m seeing that when people run oversized bolts, which many aftermarket actions use, you can sometimes see magazine/bolt interference due to the larger bolt diameter coming down further in relation to the bottom of the receiver(since receiver diameter is unchanged).
So, good example I just ran in to is the manners minichassis with a BAT action(GREAT stock and GREAT actions). Inserting an AICS mag with the bolt closed is extremely hard. Pmags, forget about it.
You can insert both like butter with the bolt open, but then the bolt runs hard over the mag tops. The bolt is .720” in diameter.
Removing material off the latch(to lower the mag) is usually an option, but not always.
You won’t always see an issue with this topic but it’s something to consider if you think your barreled action will simply drop in to your chassis and be perfect every time.
Nothing in this industry is “drop in” if you want it at the highest quality level.
We are going to start offering Tikka receiver facing. It’s not squaring it up or “truing” it I’m after, it’s increasing the diameter to 1.200” so standard size barrels can be used.
Tikkas for hunting rifles I’d suggest keeping the 1.125” receiver face to keep unnecessary weight down.
For tactical Tikkas that benefit from heavier barrels I will be suggesting to cut the face back to 1.200” diameter. An m24 barrel on a faced Tikka is a stout rig. Barrel comes back to meet the receiver diameter flush/evenly.
I won’t chamber anything without the action in hand.
I wonder how/if runout is timed on “pre-fit barrels”. It would require threading to start at the same timing point on every action. And every barrel tenon threads to be started at the same exact timing point.
When I have the action in hand I can ensure timing is correct, along with everything else.
I’m soon posting videos on our YouTube channel and Facebook showing the difference between a barrel indicated in coax, and barrel between centers. Both 100% steel and carbon barrels... also showing the run-out I typically see in both.
Keith I have one TL3 by you, the most accurate rifle i have ever used. I do have used lots of rifles so I don’t say this easily. I have recently referred one friend to you for a 6br build and he is extremely satisfied with your work too. I will always send my action to you, but it would be nice if I only sent it in once. I think you are holding a super high standard for your work, but if you also offer some flexibility as long as customers are OK with the downside, may not be a bad idea. For most practical rifle shooters, 0.3 moa accuracy is already over killing. We shake like hell on those weird postures. Anyway just some random thoughts. Really respect your work.
Well maybe it doesn’t matter. We didn’t time runout for the first couple years, working between centers. But after changing to how we do it now I’d never go back and believe it does matter. With the bore straight and the reamer holder we use, the way the reamer runs is night and day. It wants to feed into the barrel. I make some long/deep passes with zero issues except heat, where as before, “between centers”, reamers seemed unhappy. And this is both with and without coolant pumping through bore.
I can see how it could be timed doing prefits. I just checked a single barrel on two identical aftermarket actions and timing was within a few degrees. It would’ve been fine.
But over the years, across the board, I see a lot of chance for things to change as far as where the thread actually start in the receiver.
And certainly no manual machinist like myself could turn out pre-fits with run-out timed(meaning no action in hand). Not in any practical sense.
So I can chamber up multiple barrels while I have the action, but I’ll always need the action in hand.