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Codiekfx400

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KRG Bravo
M24 profile, 26" 6.5cm from Keystone (24 hr turnaround)
PVA Jet Blast
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Did Keystone need your action? Let us know what barrel your using and how it shoots. Looks sweet
 

ZEROGUY

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What triggers are yall having good results with? I am getting a lot of "cock on closing" with a Timney Calvin Elite - I adjusted the sear engagement and could tell a noticeable difference but I think I want to try a different brand trigger.
I have a Huber 2 stage, I seem to be having a lot of cock on close also. I measured my firing pin fall with the Huber, it is .270-.280 (having trouble getting an exact measurement). Many sources I've seen indicate .250 for a R700 is ideal, so at .280 it may be over cocking a bit. Not sure what the spec is supposed to be on these actions.

My Huber is also having issues with the 1st stage not pulling consistently, so picked up a Timney 1 stage CE I'm going to throw in to compare cocking with while I see if I can troubleshoot the Huber.

I got the rifle assembled with my 26" .308 CBI bbl for the range this weekend. Rifle will look pretty much like this when complete with PVA bbl except it will have a brake and shouldered bbl. 21.jpg 11.jpg
 
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What triggers are yall having good results with? I am getting a lot of "cock on closing" with a Timney Calvin Elite - I adjusted the sear engagement and could tell a noticeable difference but I think I want to try a different brand trigger.
I'm having the same issue with a triggertech special. It takes a good amount of effort to close the bolt when running it slow. I can't really notice it when running the bolt fast.
 
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ZEROGUY

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I'm having the same issue with a triggertech special. It takes a good amount of effort to close the bolt when running it slow. I can't really notice it when running the bolt fast.
Yup, everything felt a lot smoother when I got the rifle assembled and operated the bolt in a normal fashion with fluid motion. But still think she may be overcocking a bit.
 
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Bandit31

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I'm having the same issue with a triggertech special. It takes a good amount of effort to close the bolt when running it slow. I can't really notice it when running the bolt fast.
Mine's the same with the TT special but it seems to be smoothing out a little the more I play around with it or I'm just getting used to it being heavy. My Stiller Tac30 and one of my 700's are much lighter though so it is kind of a bummer.
 
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jd138

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Did Keystone need your action? Let us know what barrel your using and how it shoots. Looks sweet
They didn't NEED it per se, but since it was already coming from the manufacturer and I don't have a vice/action wrench yet (have to spread out these purchases a little), I had ZAI ship it straight to Keystone who torqued on a shouldered, threaded button (not his Kreiger's) barrel. He didn't charge anything extra for this and like I wrote previously, he turned it around in 24 hours. I tell you, between ZAI hitting the mark on delivery and the great experience with Keystone, I am very pleased so far.

One note for those that may have a similar issue. I didn't even think about the side release on the Origin. I have and wanted to continue to use a Jewell trigger; however, the one I have is a top safety, bottom bolt release. There is obviously no cut in the bottom of the Origin like on a 700. I was mad at myself for not thinking about that, but then I gave it a shot, and after tapping it into place, the Jewell bolt release just sits against the bottom of the action and everything appears to be working as it should.

I will hopefully have some group shots within a couple of weeks.


 
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aBetterTomorrow

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I found this post from someone in 2017 - I wonder about sending in the Origin

"This is common it will not cause any damage or issues with your trigger. What you are feeling is the "Cock on Close" the cocking piece is engaging the trigger sear before the bolt is in full lock-up, thus it is holding the striker assembly in place while the bolt is closing the last little bit, also referred to as "Trigger Timing". As the action is cycled the closing cams (Ramps at the Breach end) will wear in a little and it will become smoother when closing the bolt. This timing can be adjusted by our team at BigHorn ($75) or another competent Gun Smith. Timing is specific to each individual trigger. "


Aaron Tritsch

Aaron if you don't want this posted than I'll take it down but maybe it'll save you guys over at Bighorn from answering the same question over and over.
 

ZEROGUY

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I found this post from someone in 2017 - I wonder about sending in the Origin
Good info. I’m not used to any cock on close comming from my savage and Ruger American actions. This action is light years smoother than either of those, just a different feel to it.

Good to know they can time it to the trigger if I ever wanted to.
 

RadKad

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What triggers are yall having good results with? I am getting a lot of "cock on closing" with a Timney Calvin Elite - I adjusted the sear engagement and could tell a noticeable difference but I think I want to try a different brand trigger.
I have a calvin elite on mine. Only 60 rounds but no problems yet
 

ZEROGUY

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Running Calvin Elite 1 stage currently and love it so far. Have a Calvin Elite 2 stage on the way. Something is definitely wrong with my Huber and maybe how it fits with the action.

The safety is difficult to engage with the bolt in battery and both stages do not have consistent feel from shot to shot at all, unless I toggle the safety prior to each trigger pull. I am going to send it back for them to look at, I really want it to work well.
 

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If I wanted to buy lightweight Talley style rings for the Origin, what existing screw-hole spacing/ pattern does Talley or Hawkins Precision already make that will fit? I'm guessing it is .860 spacing using an 8-40 screw.
The spacing is standard Remington 700 pattern. But, you have to run two front mounts since ours is truly round instead of bridged like the 700.
 
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m6z

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My Triggertech Special seems like the bolt is harder to close than it should be, but I'm just playing with the action and trigger. I don't have a stock or barrel yet. The trigger pull does feel great though.
 
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My Triggertech Special seems like ithe bolt is harder to close than it should be, but I'm just playing with the action and trigger. I don't have a stock or barrel yet. The trigger pull does feel great though.
My lefty TT special is a little heavy also. I put 40 rounds through it and it's already loosened up some.
 

aBetterTomorrow

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*This is my first rifle-

I started dry firing some and bolt lift has already got easier. I looked at videos of the Nucleus and my Origin is no worse with CoC. When I run the bolt at full speed (pushing forward when pushing the bolt down) it is getting very smooth.
 
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Floglock

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Spoke to Ray over at Bighorn via email. He was quick to respond and recommended the TT Diamond. Just thought I’d pass that along.
 

ZEROGUY

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Timney Calvin elite two stage didn’t work on my Origin. The sear in the trigger disengages but firing pin doesn’t fall, it just moves a tiny bit along with an audible click. (I think I’m describing this accurately). I tried adjusting it a bit to see if I could get her to go but no dice. The single stage Calvin Elite works flawlessly, I ran 60 rds with it set at 8oz this weekend. Dialed it back up to 1lb tonight.

Huber still leaves quite a bit to be desired. Unless I toggle the safety, the first stage pull is crap, the resistance on the first stage peaks about half way through the pull, and then lets off until I hit the beginning of the second stage.

If I let off, subsequent pulls of the first stage are consistent but very light unless I toggle the safety. I’ve heard of this bothering some people but I don’t find it a big deal for me.

What’s annoying is not knowing how the first stage is going to pull, and having it let off part way until you slam into the beggining of the 2nd stage.

So far the single stage Calvin Elite is the only trigger to really work to my satisfaction, or at all with my Origin. I’ve reached out to Timney for help with the two stage.

Thinking about trying another brand, but this is getting expensive really quick.
 
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Timney Calvin elite two stage didn’t work on my Origin. The sear in the trigger disengages but firing pin doesn’t fall, it just moves a tiny bit along with an audible click. (I think I’m describing this accurately). I tried adjusting it a bit to see if I could get her to go but no dice. The single stage Calvin Elite works flawlessly, I ran 60 rds with it set at 8oz this weekend. Dialed it back up to 1lb tonight.

Huber still leaves quite a bit to be desired. Unless I toggle the safety, the first stage pull is crap, the resistance on the first stage peaks about half way through the pull, and then lets off until I hit the beginning of the second stage.

If I let off, subsequent pulls of the first stage are consistent but very light unless I toggle the safety. I’ve heard of this bothering some people but I don’t find it a big deal for me.

What’s annoying is not knowing how the first stage is going to pull, and having it let off part way until you slam into the beggining of the 2nd stage.

So far the single stage Calvin Elite is the only trigger to really work to my satisfaction, or at all with my Origin. I’ve reached out to Timney for help with the two stage.

Thinking about trying another brand, but this is getting expensive really quick.
man you have almost the cost of the action tied up in triggers. Hope you get it figured out. I was hoping to get out shooting this past weekend, but got rained out. hopefully I can get out soon.
 

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I would be interested to see a comparison between a Timney Calvin Elite and TriggerTech Diamond in the Origin
 

FishDr

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@ZEROGUY .… is your issue with the HUBER consistent with other actions, or is this behavior only exhibited when installed in the Origin?
I have a couple of HUBER 2-stage triggers and have never noticed that condition. Something is amiss internally I would expect.
Interested in your solution as I have an Origin inbound with plans to move one of my HUBER triggers onto it.
Thanks
 

ZEROGUY

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@ZEROGUY .… is your issue with the HUBER consistent with other actions, or is this behavior only exhibited when installed in the Origin?
I have a couple of HUBER 2-stage triggers and have never noticed that condition. Something is amiss internally I would expect.
Interested in your solution as I have an Origin inbound with plans to move one of my HUBER triggers onto it.
Thanks
This is the only action I’ve tried my Huber in.
 
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Timney Calvin elite two stage didn’t work on my Origin. The sear in the trigger disengages but firing pin doesn’t fall, it just moves a tiny bit along with an audible click. (I think I’m describing this accurately). I tried adjusting it a bit to see if I could get her to go but no dice. The single stage Calvin Elite works flawlessly, I ran 60 rds with it set at 8oz this weekend. Dialed it back up to 1lb tonight.

Huber still leaves quite a bit to be desired. Unless I toggle the safety, the first stage pull is crap, the resistance on the first stage peaks about half way through the pull, and then lets off until I hit the beginning of the second stage.

If I let off, subsequent pulls of the first stage are consistent but very light unless I toggle the safety. I’ve heard of this bothering some people but I don’t find it a big deal for me.

What’s annoying is not knowing how the first stage is going to pull, and having it let off part way until you slam into the beggining of the 2nd stage.

So far the single stage Calvin Elite is the only trigger to really work to my satisfaction, or at all with my Origin. I’ve reached out to Timney for help with the two stage.

Thinking about trying another brand, but this is getting expensive really quick.

my Timney CE did the same thing at first. had me frustrated as hell. i had to adjust the the over travel and now it works perfectly.
 

ZEROGUY

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my Timney CE did the same thing at first. had me frustrated as hell. i had to adjust the the over travel and now it works perfectly.
I tried adjusting the two screws on the front with no luck. I believe the top front is over travel and the bottom front is pull weight?

I did not try the rear screw with the green glue on it, is this the one you played with? I wasn't going to touch that one until I heard back from Timney, but if it worked for you I may give it another go.
 
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I tried adjusting the two screws on the front with no luck. I believe the top front is over travel and the bottom front is pull weight?

I did not try the rear screw with the green glue on it, is this the one you played with? I wasn't going to touch that one until I heard back from Timney, but if it worked for you I may give it another go.
no i did not touch the one with the glue. that's the sear engagement

But yeah the top front screw is the overtravel.
 

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ZEROGUY

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Got a response from Timney:

“Zeroguy, it sounds like the overtravel is in to far, it’s the top screw on the front, turn it counterclockwise about ¼ inch”

I’ll try and carve out some time tonight to try it out. If that doesn’t work I’ll send zermatt my bolt after this month’s match.
 

RFutch

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I am about to order an Origin myself and I am wondering about the Trigger Techs. Are they adjustable for sear engagement and overtravel in case the one I get needs some adjustment?