Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

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I have thought of the SAC conversion, but I don't shoot a lot of .223 and I figure for $1700 I can shoot around 1700 rounds of 6.5 Creedmoor...I also have a few gas guns in 223/556 and I can shoot them if need be.
 

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I have 6 conversion kits for my DTA. The SAC 223 is definitely my favorite. In my humble opinion, it's a "must have" if you own a DTA.
Quite the addiction ;)

I'm looking at a SAC 223 kit but so far the high cost that comes with exporting it to Europe has held me off... :cry:
 

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Oh hell, I missed the Ai part of that. I remember discussing wanting to try the 223ai but didn't know anyone did one in the DT. Any feeding issues?
 

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The AI feeds great, I’ve been shooting 80gr eld’s And 53gr vmax. Shoots both absolutely incredible. Not sure if I have the only that Mark has built or not, I haven’t heard of any others.
 

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If I didn’t have a different rifle in 223ai I would also have a conversion chambered in it. Really fun round.
 

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If so, from .22 LR to 37XC. Pretty wide array of calibers!
Though I think the 223 SAC conversion is the basement on calibers. The chassis can’t do everything , but it would be cool to have a real heavy 22LR.
 

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Would it be possible to have someone else make a barrel for the SAC 223 Conversion Kit?
Re-using the SAC barrel extension but using for example a Proof Research DTSRS 224 blank?

Or would you need a barrel blueprint?
 
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Would it be possible to have someone else make a barrel for the SAC 223 Conversion Kit?
Re-using the SAC barrel extension but using for example a Proof Research DTSRS 224 blank?

Or would you need a barrel blueprint?
I think the problem is the special parts they have designed in the kit. Like the magazine, bolt head and lug extension. So long as you have those parts I don’t see why a talented gunsmith familiar with DT wouldn’t be able to take measurements and remove the lug extension and spin a barrel for you. But I would only go this route if SAC closed their doors for some shity reason. That would be my only reason for having someone else make a 223 barrel.
Keep in mind they don’t sell the magazine, bolt head and other parts separate from the barrel unless you have already bought the complete kit.
 
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I think the problem is the special parts they have designed in the kit. Like the magazine, bolt head and lug extension. So long as you have those parts I don’t see why a talented gunsmith familiar with DT wouldn’t be able to take measurements and remove the lug extension and spin a barrel for you. But I would only go this route if SAC closed their doors for some shity reason. That would be my only reason for having someone else make a 223 barrel.
Keep in mind they don’t sell the magazine, bolt head and other parts separate from the barrel unless you have already bought the complete kit.
Not trying to bypass Short Action Customs, on the contrary! I want to get everything from them, I respect the work that they did developing the 223 Conversion Kit and I hear great things about their quality.
However, as I'm not from the USA I will pay a hefty export/import tax so I was wondering if the next barrel could be sourced locally.

But of course based on all the parts from the SAC conversion kit.
 

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Not trying to bypass Short Action Customs, on the contrary! I want to get everything from them, I respect the work that they did developing the 223 Conversion Kit and I hear great things about their quality.
However, as I'm not from the USA I will pay a hefty export/import tax so I was wondering if the next barrel could be sourced locally.

But of course based on all the parts from the SAC conversion kit.
I figured that was what you were getting at. Just wanted to throw all the details at you so you were fully aware. I’m sure they would also understand your position so you send them an email about how easy it would be for another smith to make another barrel and swap extension when the time comes. SAC is very friendly, down to earth and easy to work with.
 
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I traded off my A1 300 Norma about 18 months ago due to the weight and have been regretting it ever since. The more I drool over the A2 the more I want to get back into the DT platform, especially since I started shooting and hunting suppressed.

Is the A2 with a Proof barrel going to be substantially lighter or am I just kidding myself? I personally don't mind the weight but Idaho has a stupid 16 lb limit for legal hunting rifles.

I'll be using a 5-25 ATACR, Atlas and TBAC 338 Ultra. Before you all say to get a lighter scope, it's not happening, love my ATACR.
 

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I traded off my A1 300 Norma about 18 months ago due to the weight and have been regretting it ever since. The more I drool over the A2 the more I want to get back into the DT platform, especially since I started shooting and hunting suppressed.

Is the A2 with a Proof barrel going to be substantially lighter or am I just kidding myself? I personally don't mind the weight but Idaho has a stupid 16 lb limit for legal hunting rifles.

I'll be using a 5-25 ATACR, Atlas and TBAC 338 Ultra. Before you all say to get a lighter scope, it's not happening, love my ATACR.
im moving over to an A2 covert and hoping to hunt with it. I’m considering a light contour barrel from ES Tactical and a Minox scope. I believe I’ll scoot under 12 or even 11.5 lbs.
 

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im moving over to an A2 covert and hoping to hunt with it. I’m considering a light contour barrel from ES Tactical and a Minox scope. I believe I’ll scoot under 12 or even 11.5 lbs.
Light contour or carbon barrel should get you to 7.5-8lbs for the bare rifle.
 
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im moving over to an A2 covert and hoping to hunt with it. I’m considering a light contour barrel from ES Tactical and a Minox scope. I believe I’ll scoot under 12 or even 11.5 lbs.
I have the A2 and Minox. Weight is one ounce heavier than the covert. I can weigh it without the barrel, if you want.
 

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Looks like covert with 18” 6.5CM fluted barrel would be 8.3 lbs, per the DTA website. Minox is 2.2lbs, and my mount is .6 lbs.

So 11.1 lbs total unloaded if I go with a lighter or shorter barrel. Right now I will run my 6.5CM 26” from my A1, which will probably be a half pound heavier, and research other cartridges to see what might fit the bill for my needs. A2 should arrive Thursday at my FFL. Thanks @PRDRIVER !
 
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Lots of discussion about the weight and everyone seems to post what their complete rifle weighs. That’s helpful to the point where someone needs to hit a 16lb restriction.

Here’s my take:
A1 Covert Chassis + Skins, monopod removed: 4 lb 8 oz
Buttpad, no spacers: 7 oz
Buttpad spacer, each: 2.6 oz
A1 Bolt, “308”: 12.2 oz
A2 Bolt, “308”: 12.0 oz
SA 6 Rd Mag, empty: 6.5 oz
Monopod: 5.6 oz
RRS ARCA Plate: 6.2 oz
ARC M10 QD-L 30mm mount: 8.5 oz

260 Rem barrel, fluted barrel and tenon, 27”, .920 muzzle with Area 419 adapter: 5 lb 4 oz

300 Win Mag barrel, non fluted, 27”, .850 muzzle, Area 419 adapter, 5 lb 1 oz

6xc barrel, non fluted, 27”, .875 muzzle, Area 419 adapter, 5 lb 5 oz

308 barrel, non fluted, 17”, .890 muzzle, Area 419 adapter, 3 lb 8 oz

450 Bushmaster barrel, non fluted, 23”, .920 muzzle, Area 419 adapter, 4 lb 6 oz

260 Rem barrel, non fluted, 19”, .875 muzzle, Area 419 adapter, 4 lb 6 oz

Add up what you’ll need, pick your rings/mount, add your scope weight and total weight of ammo and you should be good.
The A2 chassis saves about a pound, so hopefully someone else can post the exact weight with the bolt, buttpad, magazine removed.
 

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What velocities are you guys getting with the sac 223 from 16.5 barrel and what Ammo?
 

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Would it be possible to have someone else make a barrel for the SAC 223 Conversion Kit?
Re-using the SAC barrel extension but using for example a Proof Research DTSRS 224 blank?

Or would you need a barrel blueprint?
I exported the Sac 223 kit minus the barrel and am having my gunsmith spinup my barrel now .
 

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Who does aftermarket barrels for the SRS? I reached out to Sin City precision as they did a 6.5 barrel for my SRS a few years back but doesn't look like they are still doing that. Point me in the right direction.

Thanks!
 

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Who does aftermarket barrels for the SRS? I reached out to Sin City precision as they did a 6.5 barrel for my SRS a few years back but doesn't look like they are still doing that. Point me in the right direction.

Thanks!
Go to Resources, I put together a huge list of DT stuff.

 

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Sin City never did the barrel work themselves; all work was done by DMR behind the scene. Nothing wrong with that; now you’re just dealing with DMR directly.
I have barrels from 4 different smiths, DMR did 3 of my barrels. I can’t see any difference on the target versus others.
 
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Any time I ordered something from them I had the option of Benchmark, Hawk Hill, or Bartlein. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve needed a barrel so check with them on what they are currently stocking.
 

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Do you know what blanks DMR uses?
Anything you want. He has Hawkhill and Bartlien in stock. He can get anything you want. I have sent him barrels in the past as well. I trust Dane with my life! Once I even broke down near Vegas and he graciously rescued a buddy and I! Class act
 
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Sin City never did the barrel work themselves; all work was done by DMR behind the scene. Nothing wrong with that; now you’re just dealing with DMR directly.
I have barrels from 4 different smiths, DMR did 3 of my barrels. I can’t see any difference on the target versus others.
Sin City never did the barrel work themselves; all work was done by DMR behind the scene. Nothing wrong with that; now you’re just dealing with DMR directly.
I have barrels from 4 different smiths, DMR did 3 of my barrels. I can’t see any difference on the target versus others.
I have a Hawk Hill 16” in 6.5x47 from DMR and it is an absolute hammer. It’s also an extremely fast barrel, 2800 FPS with 130 Berger’s.
 

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Special Purpose Rifles
Special Purpose Rifle has a good stock of completed drop in ready Proof research Carbon fiber barrels and some unfinished blanks. Last I checked there are a few 22.5" 6.5 CM barrels that are going to be ready in a week or so. There are some 18" and 26" 6.5 CM barrels on the shelf ready to ship but I think the 22.5" in the best balance between compactness and ballistics. They have the typical 0.5 MOA guarantee but most of these barrel regularly shoot around 0.25 MOA. The muzzle is threaded 5/8x24 and the extra half inch over the factory 22" barrel gives you better clearance on from the end of the hand guard for muzzle brakes and suppressors. PR 6.5 CM 22.5%22 5:8x24 Conv kit.jpeg
 

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Max COAL for 223 SAC is 2.5”

with 75 ELD I can get 3100 from a 22.5” barrel using RL15in Hornady brass. I backed it down to 25.5 grains and I get 3000-3050 depending on ambient temp and it shoots lights out to 800 yards.

Those velocities are due to the COAL and RL15 and Hornady brass with more capacity than say Lapua

don’t go 80 ELD for the increased BC. The bearing surface is significantly longer and you lose 200 fps so it’s a lose on balance
 

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Max COAL for 223 SAC is 2.5”

with 75 ELD I can get 3100 from a 22.5” barrel using RL15in Hornady brass. I backed it down to 25.5 grains and I get 3000-3050 depending on ambient temp and it shoots lights out to 800 yards.

Those velocities are due to the COAL and RL15 and Hornady brass with more capacity than say Lapua

don’t go 80 ELD for the increased BC. The bearing surface is significantly longer and you lose 200 fps so it’s a lose on balance
Thanks for sharing, what COAL are you loading those 75gr ELD-M's at?