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Leica has ramped up their rangefinder iterations and released some significant improvements to their line. Yes, there is more distance, in the case of the CRF, lots more. But the changes are actually a lot more significant from what I am seeing because they include improvements to a lot of the supporting tech that make a good RF system a great one, and if it all comes together as I think it will, Leica has brought improvements to the table that we will actually be able to use in the field. At SHOT, they introduced two new top end rangefinders as well as a new scope aimed at PRS/tactical shooters. While I don’t have test samples yet, the RF’s look like strong upgrades to the current fleet, and I am really looking forward to checking them out.




Starting with their flagship RF line, Leica has now upgraded the 3000-b Geovid to the 3200.com. The 3200 adds Bluetooth connectivity like the 2800.com boasts, allowing connection to a mobile app, a Kestrel with AB, and new for this year, an Apple watch. Just like on the 2800.com, you can connect the 3200 to a Kestrel and have it do all the ballistic calculations and then display the solution back into the RF. And of course, there is also the option to use the onboard ballistic system, which will now provide a solution out to 1100 yards when using a custom curve uploaded in the RF via the app.

Performance wise, we are expecting to see a pretty nice boost as well, more than the basic number has indicated, as Leica have improved their foundational tech so that even more targets (much less reflective), which may have not been picked up in the past, will be able to be measured, and under more difficult circumstances. In the past, the distance rating for Leica’s standards, were for reflective targets only. However, due to internal tech improvements, the ratings for Leica’s new RF’s are for non-reflective targets, and under less than ideal conditions. So while the distance increased to 3200, I am expecting to achieve that on a lot more targets, particularly on the kinds of targets we tend to care about the most, ie game. We should see better performance in poor weather or bright light as well.




On the CRF side, they also released the 3500.com. From the outside, nothing has changed from the 2800, it retains it’s standard shape, size and user interface. It also has the same connectivity capabilities that the 2800. However, for the 3500, Leica has somehow resolved the issue with the EU and class 3 lasers, and have upgraded the 3500.com to now reach 3500 yards with their CRF. In addition, the 3500 also gets the same upgrades to the foundational tech as the 3200-b, so that it can achieve that distance on non-reflective targets and in difficult weather or light conditions that are not ideal.

One other upgrade that Leica mentions that both the 3200 and the 3500 share pertains to the Bluetooth connectivity. One of my only criticisms of the 2800 was that it’s connection time could be too long, and the connection was not as stable as it could be when using a Kestrel. In the new RF’s, Leica has cut that connection time in half, while at the same time increasing connectivity distance by nearly 100%. In theory, this should give us an RF that will connect with the Kestrel in a much more effective timeframe, while also increasing connected stability. I’ll definitely look forward to testing this as, like I said, the connectivity on the 2800 was the only significant area where I wanted to see some improvement.

Speaking of connectivity, the ability to communicate with an Apple watch is interesting. When I first heard about it, I did not think much about it. But having just returned from a hunt with my sons, and thinking about the spotter shooter relationship, it becomes more interesting. This feature allows a spotter with an RF to silently and effectively communicate holds to the shooter. The spotter simply ranges and the data populates on the shooters watch, where they can implement the solution quickly, accurately, and silently. Granted, this feature won’t be useful to everyone, but for situations like these, it is an interesting option, at least from my perspective.

Leica are also making some changes to their app and ballistic software. I have not seen these just yet, but will be interested to see if the ballistics are more in line with AB and more user friendly. I am told they are, I am looking forward to seeing for myself.


Finally, Leica has announced a new scope that is clearly focused on the precision rifle crowd. The new PRS 5-30x56i scope is a first focal plane scope with a 6x erector. Leica has given particular attention to making sure the clicks on the turrets are tactile and that the scope tracks well throughout its adjustment range, which is 32 MRAD’s, or about 110 MOA in the MOA version, of elevation adjustment. It has a multi-turn elevation indicator and a configurable zero stop, and the reticle is a new as well, being designed like many modern tactical reticles to make holds for windage and elevation accurate and efficient. And of course, it’s got Leica glass.

All in all, I look on these releases as signs Leica is paying attention, and probably particularly to the guys at Leica USA. In the past few years, they have been making internal improvements to their customer service, something that was a weak point in the past. I know from conversations with my friends at Leica that many of these guys are real shooters and hunters and know what the American market wants, and they have been actively advocating for the US market to the mothership. These products, and the speed at which they are now iterating, suggests their input is having an effect on product development that is very beneficial for American shooters in terms of what Leica is putting out on offer. It’s a win win for all of us because as Leica continues to innovate and compete, doubtless, competitors will push back and the quality of product available to all of us will benefit. Good things to come, I look forward to seeing how well these new releases fare in the real world!
 

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Crap! Looks like my 2800.com is going up for sale and a 3200.com is in my near future... Doug, I know this isn't even out yet, but any demos you can send my way ;) Also, interesting texture on the binos, curious what that is about.
 

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Will either Leica give wind holds without kestrel connection for preset condition ie:10 mph crosswind like the sig 2400 abs or gunwerks br2500
 

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The 2800.com will not, I don't know for sure yet on these, as they have made changes to the app, which I have not had a chance to check out just yet.
 

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Will either Leica give wind holds without kestrel connection for preset condition ie:10 mph crosswind like the sig 2400 abs or gunwerks br2500
That would be slick. How does the ABS do it, do you cycle through in 2mph increments or get to choose increments, etc.?
 

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I can't remember on the ABS, but on the BDX, you can set whatever you want in the app IIRC. With the .coms, they would probably do the same if they do it at all, which is it would be setup in the app when you create your custom curve.
 

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I wonder/can’t remember, will this connect to a garmin foretrex 701? If anyone knows that would be appreciated, it’s my go to system while out in the woods hunting.
 

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I wonder/can’t remember, will this connect to a garmin foretrex 701? If anyone knows that would be appreciated, it’s my go to system while out in the woods hunting.
At this time, it does not, though I am hopeful that is forthcoming.
 

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Wonder the price on the 3200.com? I've wanted connectivity to my apple watch for quite some time. This is great news.
 

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About expected but i'm thinking it over regardless all the issues i've had with the sig. If i can have premium glass with a good RF and connectivity to a kestrel it's a no brainer.
Agree, just placed my order with Cameraland.
What problems have you had with Sig? I’ve had good luck with my 2400AB
 

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Agree, just placed my order with Cameraland.
What problems have you had with Sig? I’ve had good luck with my 2400AB
My original 3000bdx just stopped working and my replacement has done the same thing. I'm having to send them back for a second time. Dad's 2200BDX also quit working around spring last year and they replaced it.
 

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Wow. Sorry to hear that. I’m hopeful these new Leicas will be the answer.
Yeah bit of bad luck i guess. My brothers Kilo 2000 has always worked. But it might be time to sell and grab some premium glass now that Leica has connectivity to the kestrel.
 

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Do you know if the 2800.com will benefit from any software/firmware updates? Will the 2800.com be able to connect to the Apple Watch? Have better connectivity?
 

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I plan on the 3200.com and the scope pending reviews of coarse. I am hoping the aiming reticle is a touch smaller in the Binos.
 

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Germany is calling it a new app but the changes are mostly behind the scenes. It looks and operates much like the first one.
I guess more specifically, do I need to go into the app store and look for something different or is it still the same LeicaHunting app that I currently have? My 2800.com is one of the ones that no longer connects to my app so wondering if the update will fix it, or if I need to send in my unit for service.
 

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I guess more specifically, do I need to go into the app store and look for something different or is it still the same LeicaHunting app that I currently have? My 2800.com is one of the ones that no longer connects to my app so wondering if the update will fix it, or if I need to send in my unit for service.

The Leica Hunting app updated recently and now shows the 3500.com and 3200.com devices as well as the 2800.com

ETA: Mine would not connect to the app out of the box. Customer service was great about getting me a replacement.
 
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I really really like the Geovid LRF binoculars, the glass is the best out there. However, until they improve the reticle for accurate and precise aiming of the laser, the improved laser distance is worthless if you cannot precisely aim it to get accurate readings. It could be something as simple as Leica putting a little dot in the center of that big square.
 

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I really really like the Geovid LRF binoculars, the glass is the best out there. However, until they improve the reticle for accurate and precise aiming of the laser, the improved laser distance is worthless if you cannot precisely aim it to get accurate readings. It could be something as simple as Leica putting a little dot in the center of that big square.
They changed the reticle on the latest binos.