Mueller's $20,000 Turtle Trap

Tucker301

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Not to mention the $5.8 million awarded in the lawsuit....


Excerpt:

STEPHEN ENGELBERG: Many people in the FBI would say this was probably one of the low points.

BRIAN ROSS, ABC News: The team includes this dog, named Lucy, from the Long Beach, California, Police Department, and two others from California, Tinkerbell and Knight.

NARRATOR: The anthrax letters had an unusual scent. The FBI said the dogs picked up that scent at the exact same place, Steven Hatfill's apartment.

BRIAN ROSS: —former U.S. government scientist Steven Hatfill—

STEPHEN ENGELBERG: To the people who saw him as a viable suspect, the dogs were just one more piece of a matrix of circumstantial evidence.

NARRATOR: Then after a tip, the FBI thought the bloodhounds had found the location of Hatfill's bio-weapons lab, supposedly hidden near a pond in the Maryland woods.

BRAD GARRETT: It seemed a bit of a stretch that you could track an odor, or a smell, to a location months and months and months after someone had been to a particular spot by a lake. But you know, they believed that that had some real potential.

NARRATOR: Investigators had come to believe Hatfill somehow had produced the deadly anthrax powder in an improvised underwater lab.

NEWSCASTER: Engineers are draining a Maryland pond today—

NEWSCASTER: —draining a pond looking for evidence related to the anthrax attacks.

NEWSCASTER: Almost a million and a half gallons—

NEWSCASTER: The pond is a huge undertaking that will take three to four weeks and cost of about a quarter million dollars.

VICTOR GLASBERG: I think the draining of the pond is the most outstanding example of really loony-tunes behavior, instead of whatever kind of deliberate investigatory techniques should have been used.

HENRY HEINE: In one of these ponds, they found a plastic box with a hole in the side of it. And they brought it down and they showed it to everybody. And they said, you know, "What do you think this is?"

NARRATOR: They thought they might finally have something. They took it to USAMRIID, the Army lab.

JOHN EZZELL:: He brought down this plastic container the FBI had brought— they had delivered to USAMRIID.

NARRATOR: Dr. John Ezzell, who worked at the lab, was also a consultant for the FBI. His speech is now impaired by Parkinson's disease. Ezzell had bad news for the FBI.

JOHN EZZELL: To me, it looked like some sort of version of a turtle trap. Dave Wilson from the FBI turns around and starts walking out of the lab and says, "My God, you mean I just spent $20,000 today on a turtle trap?" And I said, "Well, you may have."

VICTOR GLASBERG: A turtle trap. Yes, they did find a turtle trap. We were chuckling. But of course, for Steve, it's a bittersweet chuckle because he's still on the receiving end of the joke until his name is clear.

NARRATOR: It would take nearly five years before Hatfill was officially cleared. He won a $5.8 million judgment against the United States government for invasion of privacy.

https://www.pbs.org/…/frontl…/film/anthrax-files/transcript/
 

RNWRKNP

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Linkage problem with the wheel, they just can’t stop going left and too arrogant hit the brakes to fix the problem😉
 

W54/XM-388

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Along the same lines, guy calls to say when he started noticing this Tibbetts girl running past his home; surely trying to help the police with their timeline.
And what does he get? A fucking home search.
It never pays to invite the man into your life.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/0...an-says-maybe-was-last-person-to-see-her.html
Just goes to show why it's never a good idea to offer to help or provide any assistance when the police are running around without a clue & looking for anything to do to make themselves look competent. He also made the mistake of saying yes when they said they really needed to come in.
Never say yes, always say come back with a warrant so my lawyer can have written proof of your lies for the lawsuit.
 
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Just goes to show why it's never a good idea to offer to help or provide any assistance when the police are running around without a clue & looking for anything to do to make themselves look competent. He also made the mistake of saying yes when they said they really needed to come in.
Never say yes, always say come back with a warrant so my lawyer can have written proof of your lies for the lawsuit.
I recall a few case where opening one's screen door to speak with police was deamed as an invitation to enter .
 
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mijp5

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Just goes to show why it's never a good idea to offer to help or provide any assistance when the police are running around without a clue & looking for anything to do to make themselves look competent. He also made the mistake of saying yes when they said they really needed to come in.
Never say yes, always say come back with a warrant so my lawyer can have written proof of your lies for the lawsuit.
I don't know much about forensics or criminal justice but I think there is a population of criminals who self sabotage and have a deep down desire to be caught. If I were to guess, they were ruling that out. It may just be something that needs to be done, who knows
 

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Most people either think the cops are really their friends when they are acting in an official capacity or are just intimidated by authority.
 

Strykervet

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I saw a documentary about that guy, he's STILL going through shit. Gets flagged at every airport, couldn't leave the country, etc., some of it may still be going on. Not to mention what that did to his personal life.

If the FBI gets second pick after Secret Service, makes you wonder about the rest. A turtle trap.

Occam's razor anyone?
 

mijp5

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I saw a documentary about that guy, he's STILL going through shit. Gets flagged at every airport, couldn't leave the country, etc., some of it may still be going on. Not to mention what that did to his personal life.

If the FBI gets second pick after Secret Service, makes you wonder about the rest. A turtle trap.

Occam's razor anyone?
He needs to gets himself a redress number
 
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I saw a documentary about that guy, he's STILL going through shit. Gets flagged at every airport, couldn't leave the country, etc., some of it may still be going on. Not to mention what that did to his personal life.

If the FBI gets second pick after Secret Service, makes you wonder about the rest. A turtle trap.

Occam's razor anyone?
I thought that the guy who was originally targeted for thr anthrax thing committed suicide because they ruined his life .
 

mijp5

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I thought that the guy who was originally targeted for thr anthrax thing committed suicide because they ruined his life .
Let me guess...the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit and the FBI beat the rap because they were acting “in good faith to protect the public”. They really gotta do something about agencies who claim to act in the interest of public protection
 

sirhrmechanic

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PBS Frontline did an outstanding documentary on this... free on YouTube.

Not one of the Bureau's better days. Nor was any of the Anthrax investigation. Or most of the post-911 stuff that Muller was involved in.

Of course, Waco and Ruby Ridge were real wins, too.

A great organization with pathetic leadersip...

Sirhr
 

Tucker301

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Mueller is in a hole on the curent shit show.
He was all torqued up to have his name printed on the pages of history books. Perhaps a statue or a medal?
Now he's circling the fucking drain and grabbing turds for life rafts.

It's insane. They grill these people until they say something slightly different from the previous 200 times they answered the question, then threaten them with perjury or fraud charges if they don't capitulate and give them some other meaningless dirt on the next meaningless cog on the wheel. No evidence. No direction. It's a fore drawn conclusion looking for a way to make itself seem real enough to fool the useful idiots.

Mueller needs to be shut down, because now his one and only goal is to save face and not make another clusterfuck like the anthrax investigation.
$20,000 turtle trap. Lives ruined. $6 million plus down the drain.
This one will make the anthrax case look like his best work.
 
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Mueller is in a hole on the curent shit show.
He was all torqued up to have his name printed on the pages of history books. Perhaps a statue or a medal?
Now he's circling the fucking drain and grabbing turds for life rafts.

It's insane. They grill these people until they say something slightly different from the previous 200 times they answered the question, then threaten them with perjury or fraud charges if they don't capitulate and give them some other meaningless dirt on the next meaningless cog on the wheel. No evidence. No direction. It's a fore drawn conclusion looking for a way to make itself seem real enough to fool the useful idiots.

Mueller needs to be shut down, because now his one and only goal is to save face and not make another clusterfuck like the anthrax investigation.
$20,000 turtle trap. Lives ruined. $6 million plus down the drain.
This one will make the anthrax case look like his best work.
Yeah, I have thought along the same lines for a long time. But.....with Ellis delaying the trial and admitting "I am just human", I am beginning to believe all of this is just "Kubaki (Bukake) Theatre", as many have said before me. What appears that it should have been a slam dunk, repeatedly gets shut down/ambushed/re-routed/deferred. Kind of like the IG investigation/report. I thought/hoped the whole house of cards would come crashing down.
 
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