Kestrel Meters Ballistics Official Thread

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I understand that I need to download my profiles from my Kestrel to my tablet before updating to 1.25. I'd like to know if the DSF adjustments will come over with the profiles.
 

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Firmware updates add features and fix problems. Updates are recommended. You cannot update with a dongle unless you have Bluetooth in the Kestrel, you would need the USB cable. If you had the cable you could use the AB library of custom curves also.
 
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Well, I checked and my Elite 5700 with link is set to PC/mobile and pin is off as instructed. It says it's available, but will not pair with phone in Kestrel Link ballistics. Phone cannot find it. My older Shooter program does find the meter and get atmospherics even though the phone says they are not paired. I did uninstall and reinstall the link Ballistics Program and it did not help. My phone is not paired with any other device. I need help
 

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Forgot to mention. See previous post from 4-10-19. Kestrel was pairing fine with Galaxy S9+ since kestrel purchase. I finally performed the software update and have had a problem since. My phone is pairing fine with other devices. I did try to pair with phone through the Kestrel Link Ballistics after uninstalling and reinstalling. They cannot find each other now. Also I did save all of my gun profiles on the Kestrel before uninstalling program on phone.
 

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Forgot to mention. See previous post from 4-10-19. Kestrel was pairing fine with Galaxy S9+ since kestrel purchase. I finally performed the software update and have had a problem since. My phone is pairing fine with other devices. I did try to pair with phone through the Kestrel Link Ballistics after uninstalling and reinstalling. They cannot find each other now. Also I did save all of my gun profiles on the Kestrel before uninstalling program on phone.
Right after my update i did have an issue with pairing, rebooted phone and power cycled kestrel and it has been fine since.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I've already powered phone down and turned the kestrel on and off several times without any improvement.
 
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"Well, I checked and my Elite 5700 with link is set to PC/mobile and pin is off as instructed. It says it's available, but will not pair with phone in Kestrel Link ballistics. Phone cannot find it. My older Shooter program does find the meter and get atmospherics even though the phone says they are not paired. I did uninstall and reinstall the link Ballistics Program and it did not help. My phone is not paired with any other device. I need help"



If your phone is paired with Shooter but not showing that it is, it is possible it is already paired with something else when you try to pair with the Kestrel Link Ballistic program and not showing that. Also, download the Kestrel Link app (not ballistics) and see if that pairs.
 

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I have a 5700 from a Bushnell ARC combo and Sig Kilo 3000 BDX LRF binoculars and I want to do the AB external to feed an 800+ yard solution to my BDX scope.

Do I need an Elite upgrade to do this?

Any tips on this combo would be great.
 

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I only have two other devices that I have paired with the phone and they are both off. I did install the Kestrel Link app and it and the phone paired nicely. The Kestrel Ballistic app would then find the meter but would not hook up as it was paired with the Link app. I then uninstalled the Kestrel Link app and now the Kestrel Ballistic app is pairing with my phone. Not sure why, but it works now. Thank you! I do appreciate your time and help.
 

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I have a 5700 from a Bushnell ARC combo and Sig Kilo 3000 BDX LRF binoculars and I want to do the AB external to feed an 800+ yard solution to my BDX scope.

Do I need an Elite upgrade to do this?

Any tips on this combo would be great.
The 5700 and the Elite will both pair with the sig 3000 BDX and their solution will be used in external mode. If you were to upgrade to the Elite you would add the custom curves and drop scale factor features to the solution, as these are not available in the 5700.
 

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5700 Elite+link any plans to increase the range card to more than 10 targets?
 

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Help me understand what I am seeing, first 2 pictures is my zero distance and it's calling for elevation. I have 5mph and 10 mph 3'o'clock wind. I zero the wind, and the elevation goes to zero shown in picture 3. Is this aerodynamic jump, and if so at 103y?707016470701657070170
 
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Ok, I have the following AB related critters in my paws ...

01 - Applied Ballistic Phone App (android) version 2.2.1

02 - Kestrel Link Ballistic App (android) build 157

03 - Kestrel 5700 Elite AB LINK sw v 1.22

04 - RAPTAR S/ES sw: 03.02 hw: 2

So, I can do the following

11 - key gun data directly into 04 and get that to work (provide hold data)

12 - key gun data directly into 03 and get that to work

13 - Integrate 03 and 04 devices per pages 75-77 in the operator manual for 04

14 - key gun data into 02 and integrate with 03 per quick start guide for 02

What I have NOT be able to do ... and maybe that is because it is not possible ... is integrate 01 and 03. In other words, I already have all my correct gun data in my "REAL" Applied Ballistics App. And this data I consider to be the "source of truth" because it is verified across all guns and ammo and shooting sessions. So rather than having to rekey all this data into 02, to send it to 03 and hence to 04 ... I would prefer to be able to download the 01 "truth" data directly to 03 and hence to 04 from there. In my process, I would only make changes to gun data in 01 ... to preserve 01 as the "system of truth". I do not want to get into cross sync'ing back and forth between 4 platforms. I intend to only synch in one direction ... 01 to 02 (or 03) .. 02 to 03 ... 03 to 04 ... the question is whether I can pull data from 01 via automated integration or do I have to manually rekey the data from 01 to 02.

I've read thru this thread and haven't been able to see exactly this question discussed. Maybe I am too dense to understand the words others are using so I will try again and read thru the thread. But if anyone knows whether it is possible to send gun data directly from Applied Ballistics App (01) to the Kestrel (03), that would be much appreciated. Then at least I would know it is possible !!

I can "connect" to the kestrel (03) from the Applied Ballistics app (01) via the main menu (01) "Configure Kestrel" menu item. But that does not seem to enable any functionality. I still can see no way to send gun data to the Kestrel (03) from Applied Ballistics (01).

Thanks !! :)
 

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Ok, I have the following AB related critters in my paws ...

01 - Applied Ballistic Phone App (android) version 2.2.1

02 - Kestrel Link Ballistic App (android) build 157

03 - Kestrel 5700 Elite AB LINK sw v 1.22

04 - RAPTAR S/ES sw: 03.02 hw: 2

So, I can do the following

11 - key gun data directly into 04 and get that to work (provide hold data)

12 - key gun data directly into 03 and get that to work

13 - Integrate 03 and 04 devices per pages 75-77 in the operator manual for 04

14 - key gun data into 02 and integrate with 03 per quick start guide for 02

What I have NOT be able to do ... and maybe that is because it is not possible ... is integrate 01 and 03. In other words, I already have all my correct gun data in my "REAL" Applied Ballistics App. And this data I consider to be the "source of truth" because it is verified across all guns and ammo and shooting sessions. So rather than having to rekey all this data into 02, to send it to 03 and hence to 04 ... I would prefer to be able to download the 01 "truth" data directly to 03 and hence to 04 from there. In my process, I would only make changes to gun data in 01 ... to preserve 01 as the "system of truth". I do not want to get into cross sync'ing back and forth between 4 platforms. I intend to only synch in one direction ... 01 to 02 (or 03) .. 02 to 03 ... 03 to 04 ... the question is whether I can pull data from 01 via automated integration or do I have to manually rekey the data from 01 to 02.

I've read thru this thread and haven't been able to see exactly this question discussed. Maybe I am too dense to understand the words others are using so I will try again and read thru the thread. But if anyone knows whether it is possible to send gun data directly from Applied Ballistics App (01) to the Kestrel (03), that would be much appreciated. Then at least I would know it is possible !!

I can "connect" to the kestrel (03) from the Applied Ballistics app (01) via the main menu (01) "Configure Kestrel" menu item. But that does not seem to enable any functionality. I still can see no way to send gun data to the Kestrel (03) from Applied Ballistics (01).

Thanks !! :)
Sorry, only the Kestrel Ballistic app is a 2 way interface. The AB app only links to the the Kestrel to acquire environment data. All data and calculations are in the AB app, not the Kestrel.
 
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Im looking at a 5700 im leaning towards the ab model because i have used ab on my phone for a long time and im just wondering if there is any advantages or is there any real diference between the 4dof and the ab
 

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Just tried 8 times straight up, unsuccessful. Tip axis and successful everytime :unsure:
There must be a reason this happens and I'm looking for an answer.
 

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Just tried 8 times straight up, unsuccessful. Tip axis and successful everytime :unsure:
There must be a reason this happens and I'm looking for an answer.
I think you need to switch between magnetic and true north?
 

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Help me understand what I am seeing, first 2 pictures is my zero distance and it's calling for elevation. I have 5mph and 10 mph 3'o'clock wind. I zero the wind, and the elevation goes to zero shown in picture 3. Is this aerodynamic jump, and if so at 103y?View attachment 7070164View attachment 7070165View attachment 7070170
Turn spin drift off and either turn latitude to 0 or 1. That should knock out any Coriolis.

Should go to zero when zero wind inputted at that point.
 

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I am really drawn into this handheld long battery life thing, my phone runs out of battery during long sessions and the enviromental data would take a lot of guess work out of the firing solution.

Disclaimer:I am no smart with ballistics, someone could call me a plain troll for asking these stupid questions. Here to take info in.

But what is with the thing that you want your users to true it via muzzle velocity, even if they had precise chrono info available (at the spot)?

Time 1:10

On one video you say garbage in garbage out and then on another video you ask to give "false" data.

How I have set up previously my solutions is chrono it, note enviromental data and then count the drop for distance. The BC has "shown" itself by testing which BC works the same solution under same weather settings.

But it looks you got it working very well like that? Is giving the solution false mv a real thing that works? Why not tune BC?
 

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I am really drawn into this handheld long battery life thing, my phone runs out of battery during long sessions and the enviromental data would take a lot of guess work out of the firing solution.

Disclaimer:I am no smart with ballistics, someone could call me a plain troll for asking these stupid questions. Here to take info in.

But what is with the thing that you want your users to true it via muzzle velocity, even if they had precise chrono info available (at the spot)?

Time 1:10

On one video you say garbage in garbage out and then on another video you ask to give "false" data.

How I have set up previously my solutions is chrono it, note enviromental data and then count the drop for distance. The BC has "shown" itself by testing which BC works the same solution under same weather settings.

But it looks you got it working very well like that? Is giving the solution false mv a real thing that works? Why not tune BC?
The Hornady 4DOF App uses something called "Axial form factor" to true your dope. They claim that every barrel and even the brake you use effects the bullet down range. Who knows what the app is doing to your inputs in the back round when you change the form factor. Its probably changing the velocity. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that every ballistics program has a way to true the data to your real world results. All of them you either change the velocity or change the BC or a combination of both. When you use a custom drag curve the only thing you can change is the muzzle velocity. I had to add 35fps to my velocity to get my DOPE to match up on my kestrel. I've only used it for 2 matches but I had a second round impact at 1400 yards holding 5.75 mils of wind. I think you can overthink the problem and miss the solution all together. just my .02
 

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The Hornady 4DOF App uses something called "Axial form factor" to true your dope. They claim that every barrel and even the brake you use effects the bullet down range. Who knows what the app is doing to your inputs in the back round when you change the form factor. Its probably changing the velocity. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that every ballistics program has a way to true the data to your real world results. All of them you either change the velocity or change the BC or a combination of both. When you use a custom drag curve the only thing you can change is the muzzle velocity. I had to add 35fps to my velocity to get my DOPE to match up on my kestrel. I've only used it for 2 matches but I had a second round impact at 1400 yards holding 5.75 mils of wind. I think you can overthink the problem and miss the solution all together. just my .02
I agree mostly with you. It is impossible to get real world and computer data to fit. But it is possible to make very close guesses. What I am wondering is why ditch hard data and instead keep the BC the same? Usually it leaves a gap somewhere that computer then fills with a near estimate.

And once you mentioned 4DOF.. I assume they are both able to make good calls for making first round hits. Dunno which one I should pick but it will probably take a good time before Hornady's arrives at retailers here.
 

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I agree mostly with you. It is impossible to get real world and computer data to fit. But it is possible to make very close guesses. What I am wondering is why ditch hard data and instead keep the BC the same? Usually it leaves a gap somewhere that computer then fills with a near estimate.

And once you mentioned 4DOF.. I assume they are both able to make good calls for making first round hits. Dunno which one I should pick but it will probably take a good time before Hornady's arrives at retailers here.
I used 4DOF on my phone for 2 years and it was awesome. I don't use BC I use the custom drag model, which Hornady uses as well, in their 4DOF program. I'm not 100% knowledgeable about CDM but I do know that the models these top tier companies ie. Applied Balistics and Hornady come up with through Doppler verified studies are accurate to the lot and type of bullet used. That being said every lot of bullet will fly through the air a little differently. In addition like stated above Hornady claims different barrels and brakes etc. will effect it also. I believe that the CDM models are very close to the real world values. That's where tweaking velocity comes in. Somebody else can probably explain in substantially smarter terms than me.
 

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Yesterday I upgraded my sportsman to an elite. I confirmed that the upgrade took by seeing elite in the loading screen on the kestrel as well as the new range card and target submenus. Also the windows kestrel application identifies my unit as an elite. However, upon trying to load CDMs from the windows AB loader, it says they don't work on the sportsman and it puts a 1.0 in my BC. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
 

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Yesterday I upgraded my sportsman to an elite. I confirmed that the upgrade took by seeing elite in the loading screen on the kestrel as well as the new range card and target submenus. Also the windows kestrel application identifies my unit as an elite. However, upon trying to load CDMs from the windows AB loader, it says they don't work on the sportsman and it puts a 1.0 in my BC. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
I don't think so. My Elite puts 1.0 in BC when I use CDM. It also states that it does that if you look at the instructions online.
 

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I don't think so. My Elite puts 1.0 in BC when I use CDM. It also states that it does that if you look at the instructions online.
All is good, you are getting 1.0 for BC which means the custom curve is being used. The AB Profile loader is just sending a notification about the Sportsman units, no saying you have a Sportsman.
 

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Great, thanks! I was confused by the loader saying it won't work with the sportsman and following that sentence it says BC of 1.0 will be entered made it sound like it wasn't going to work.