Kahles 3.5-18 SKMR3 initial impressions

5RWill

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You better pre order one...before GUNGASM NOLEGS and BALLISTIC1 buy it all lol
Got three weeks left of this master's program and if it's still available i might do it. How long does it last? That would hinder me building the 7 SS for sure, but if i'm being frank i'd like to have the SKMR3 on both my rifles. Plus what's 5oz?
 
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Got three weeks left of this master's program and if it's still available i might do it. How long does it last? That would hinder me building the 7 SS for sure, but if i'm being frank i'd like to have the SKMR3 on both my rifles. Plus what's 5oz?
I’ll be curious what you think of the K624i CA, the AMG was quite a bit better in this department but Kahles May have a slight edge in color and resolution. If the K525i has solved the CA issue that will definitely get my attention as I loved the ergo and mechanics of the K624i, but with the new scope being shorter, I’m a sucker for short scopes. However, the 28oz of the AMG is hard to overlook even though the Kahles is only a few ounces more, tough one for sure for someone trying to decide today
 

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I’ll be curious what you think of the K624i CA, the AMG was quite a bit better in this department but Kahles May have a slight edge in color and resolution. If the K525i has solved the CA issue that will definitely get my attention as I loved the ergo and mechanics of the K624i, but with the new scope being shorter, I’m a sucker for short scopes. However, the 28oz of the AMG is hard to overlook even though the Kahles is only a few ounces more, tough one for sure for someone trying to decide today
I'm interested to see it for myself as well. I haven't noticed any using them but again the one time i had extended use with one it was very cloudy. The AMG is honestly the better route for the money but should my match rifle ever go down and i need to use the Bighorn i want the SKMR3 reticle. The EBR7B is almost perfect but those large horizontal hashes i could see getting on my nerves where as the minimalistic design of the SKMR3 i adore. Picky i guess, AMG does have locking turrets and weight in it's favor. If i do go with the K525i which as of right now i'm planning on it, the K624i will be put on the bighorn. Interested to see if 7WSM is able to note any CA in the K318i given it's the little brother to the K525i least in glass as i understand it.
 
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...i want the SKMR3 reticle.
I hear ya, Shannon Kaye is brilliant and maybe more brilliant was a scope manufacturer listening to a skilled shooter and changing the way mil reticles are designed. I doubt he was the first but the SKMR has caused other manufacturers to take notice, now we have quite a few .2 mil hash options and center dot options. One thing to note, if you really love the SKMR3 you ought to check out the MR4, I'd call it the SKMR3e (enhanced) where for me personally I find the slightly thicker stadia, center dot and hash marks to perform better in more conditions, and for the Christmas tree they use dots instead of solid lines which are usable when needed but not too obtrusive when not needed. The one thing that concerns me slightly with Kahles and Minox is that neither of them have service facilities in the USA which means if the scope needs repair it has to be shipped back to Germany/Austria which can take a while. This is also why ZCO has my attention with the 5-27 and 4-20 Ultra Short, but things have been quiet on the ZCO front as everyone is waiting anxiously for a unit to get into someone's hands for review, we're also still waiting on pricing and if ZCO comes in much more than Kahles it could potentially hurt their sales, but if glass is as good as ZCO is alluding to (Tangent Theta good?) and price is close to Kahles then they could really shake up the industry.
Interested to see if 7WSM is able to note any CA in the K318i given it's the little brother to the K525i least in glass as i understand it.
The K318i being an Ultra Short design I would expect to struggle a bit more in the CA area so I don't think the CA performance would be indicative of how the K525i will perform; however, if Kahles has improved CA in the K318i design over the K624i design, then I think it would be safe to say we'll see the same or better from the K525i.
 
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I hear ya, Shannon Kaye is brilliant and maybe more brilliant was a scope manufacturer listening to a skilled shooter and changing the way mil reticles are designed. I doubt he was the first but the SKMR has caused other manufacturers to take notice, now we have quite a few .2 mil hash options and center dot options. One thing to note, if you really love the SKMR3 you ought to check out the MR4, I'd call it the SKMR3e (enhanced) where for me personally I find the slightly thicker stadia, center dot and hash marks to perform better in more conditions, and for the Christmas tree they use dots instead of solid lines which are usable when needed but not too obtrusive when not needed. The one thing that concerns me slightly with Kahles and Minox is that neither of them have service facilities in the USA which means if the scope needs repair it has to be shipped back to Germany/Austria which can take a while. This is also why ZCO has my attention with the 5-27 and 4-20 Ultra Short, but things have been quiet on the ZCO front as everyone is waiting anxiously for a unit to get into someone's hands for review, we're also still waiting on pricing and if ZCO comes in much more than Kahles it could potentially hurt their sales, but if glass is as good as ZCO is alluding to (Tangent Theta good?) and price is close to Kahles then they could really shake up the industry.
I've looked hard at the minox and do love the MR4, though i feel like i would like the Kahles turrets more at least regarding the way the hashmarks line up to the scope body. I've never been a big fan of turret indicators being on the scope body. Just seems less precise (i know it's not) and i can never get them to line up, even if they do that void just kind of drives me insane. I know the hashes are on the body on the Kahles too but idk why i think i'd like the turret more. Though the MR4 certainly seems like a natural evolution of the SKMR3.

The warranty does concern me but the little digging i've done on Kahles seems they back their product. I think it was a thread on here that a guy had a 10 year old scope or something like that they ended up completely replacing for him. Speaking of which our Zeiss V6 is currently in germany, so we're getting our first taste of that. Definitely food for thought as the ZP5 is cheaper even before hide pricing.

I would hold out for ZCO as i do have faith in Jeff and Nick but there is always a bit of a worry being an early adopter of a new product. That and the wait as we have no release date. I'd like to preferably have it by August though i guess it doesn't matter as i wont get to shoot till December once Dental School starts.

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The K318i being an Ultra Short design I would expect to struggle a bit more in the CA area so I don't think the CA performance would be indicative of how the K525i will perform; however, if Kahles has improved CA in the K318i design over the K624i design, then I think it would be safe to say we'll see the same or better from the K525i.
It should struggle with CA compared to the 5-25, though my train of thought was that if it was indeed better than the 624i or near the AMG that the 525 was sure to have none.
 
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From my limited time with the 6-24 Kahles I would still say that the 3-18 does in fact control
CA better. The AMG still controls it better and with the Minox ZP5 I couldn't see any.with that being said, That's just from my experience with 1 6-24 Kahles, 1 AMG, 1 Minox, and the 2 3-18s. So not a large enough group by far to say X scope is better than y at anything. But enough to get an idea.
 
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From my limited time with the 6-24 Kahles I would still say that the 3-18 does in fact control
CA better. The AMG still controls it better and with the Minox ZP5 I couldn't see any.with that being said, That's just from my experience with 1 6-24 Kahles, 1 AMG, 1 Minox, and the 2 3-18s. So not a large enough group by far to say X scope is better than y at anything. But enough to get an idea.
Not large enough is subjective, that is an impressive lineup of scopes nonetheless. There can be sample variance and diopter variance and other factors that might affect CA. It sounds like you've been impressed with your limited time with the two K318i's so far which is good news, it shows the potential that Kahles addressed this issue in their new 5x erector formula's which is great news for those bothered by CA. I just ordered the K318i's little brother, the Leupold Mark 5 3.6-18x44 and am really curious to see how the latest from Leupold performs. I also have a ZCO ZC420 on order and am anxious to get my hands on that one.
 

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Is the glass prescription in the k525 going to be different that what's being offered in the k318? I have heard in a video somewhere it mentioned new updated coatings in the k525 video but not as of yet in any k318 vid..
 
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Is the glass prescription in the k525 going to be different that what's being offered in the k318? I have heard in a video somewhere it mentioned new updated coatings in the k525 video but not as of yet in any k318 vid..
I don't think any official word has been given; however, given the fact that the K318i and K525i share an entirely different optical formula than anything Kahles has produced before and since their history has shown that K624i Gen II and Gen III had upgrades then is it safe to assume the 2018 K's also have upgraded coatings, etc. from what they've had before. Now that Jeff Huber no longer works with Kahles, I'm not sure who the USA point person is who might have this information. Kahles has always been lacking in decent marketing material and their press release on the K318i simply states:
To achieve highest performance standards despite short-build design it took many years of development and the latest technologies. For example, the complex lens system, the use of special glass types or the innovative etching technology, which is required to provide precise illuminated reticles in FFP according to Kahles standards. Thereby the optical system with it´s wide field of view and the brilliant, exceptional high contrast image sets new standards for ultrashort riflescopes.
 
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Very good point. 18 is a nice sweet spot but some times just a little more is needed for scanning that tree line at sunset.
If the resolution is there (which it sounds like it is) then I doubt there will be much of a deficit, certainly not between 18-20x, I think you'd have to step up to 24/25x to gain a distinct advantage, but in so doing you lose out at the bottom end if you need the FOV.
 
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If your going in go all the way. The Kahles line is freaking excellent. Mike at cstactical steered me towards the 624i and it is top shelve. My application is. 1. hunting in low light conditions. 2. The range shooting out to 800m. But part of my brain kept coming back to that nagging question I could not shake. Is this TT brand all its cranked up to be? Yes guys it really is. I love my Kahles but my next optic will be the TT 5 X 25 P.
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I think we all know how established TT is, noone is questioning that. I'm not sure how a comparison between the K624i and TT is relevant to the topic at hand. We're curious about the performance of the new K318i and K525i and how it compares to Minox, TT, ZCO, S&B, etc.
 
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Got to look at one today. Liked everything but the 16 mil turrets. That was a step in the wrong direction but can't make everybody happy I guess.
I really don't understand this complaint granted i get it it's personal preference but i've always had unconventional amounts for a revolution on the scopes i've shot and it just never really struck me as an issue. SN-3 is 9 mils i believe per rotation, MK5 was 10.5, K624i is 14, etc. Though less you're referencing click spacing, then i somewhat share your sentiment.

Having said that did you get to take it outside view any targets? Put side to side against something else comparable? Note any CA? (One of my main concerns)
 
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The clicks were definitely tight and hash marks on the turret are a little closer together and harder to read. 16 mil turrets just seem like something for an ELR rig. I wouldnt ever be much past half a rev. myself. Just seems like they should have spread it out a little for the size of scope it is but thats just my opinion.

I just spent a few minutes with it indoors. I'm looking forward to spending some time at the range with it next to my k624i.
 
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The clicks were definitely tight and hash marks on the turret are a little closer together and harder to read. 16 mil turrets just seem like something for an ELR rig. I wouldnt ever be much past half a rev. myself. Just seems like they should have spread it out a little for the size of scope it is but thats just my opinion.

I just spent a few minutes with it indoors. I'm looking forward to spending some time at the range with it next to my k624i.
Aren't the K318i and K525i turrets the same, from a manufacturing perspective there would be cost benefits to using the same turret design for both scopes. Just thinking that might be why Kahles went in this direction with the K318i.