I bet some of y'all thought I was crazy.

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The only way I would give is if a private company is setup to build the wall with or without permission from government. Any government.

Giving this money to the federal government is a non-fucking-starter. I don't give a fuck what kind of legal contract you can get them to sign. What are you going to do when they renege on it? And know this: they will renege on it.
A $Billion dollars is A LOT of money and will corrupt just about anyone.
 

Rthur

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#53
Walls have worked for thousands of years. Any “expert” who says walls to not work is functionally retarded.
Who said building a wall means no Border Patrol?

Everything the left says is a ridiculous lie. The only reason to allow the insane levels of drugs, human trafficking, and illegal immigration to continue like this is if you economically or politically benefit. For 95% of us this is like cutting our own throats. The very wealthy get to drive wages down and create a permanent underclass, and the Democrats create a class of citizens who have no hope and are entitled to a life someone else pays for. If ever there is proof leftists are retards who vote against America’s and their own self interests it’s this.

Unless you’re a politician or a billionaire this is terrible policy.
Well said Fig.
As people bitch about the expense of the wall or upkeep they haven't any idea what the cost of force feeding a very cheap work
force and voting base has been.
One look into monies wired out of this country is a clue.

R
 

Hookturnr

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#55
I would like to see a $5 fee added to every "Moneygram" or "Western Union" cash transfer that leaves to country....Mexico siphons billions of dollars out of our economy every year, why shouldn't they be taxed for it?

It would pay for all the border security you need easily.

Just a quick calculation on how much money leaves the country via western union through my wife's store alone is nearly $100K....and that is one suburban store, 2 crews of mexican landscapers. All the guys she deals with have ID and work visas, she cards them all so it's all legal.
 

mcameron

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Sooooo were supposed to give the govt even more of our money to pay for somethig we were promised another country was going to pay for?

And we have to trust the govt not to just take the $1billion and not piss it away and we end up with even emptier pockets and no wall.
 
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Bender

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#60
The wall is stupid and logistically will never work. The ongoing maintenance costs will be several billion annually ON TOP of whatever ungodly amount it actually takes to not only construct BUT purchase the land on which the wall would be constructed on. My guess is that none of y’all actually live in Southern States and are just parroting what you see on Fox News.

The ONLY way to fix immigration is to annex Mexico.

You’re welcome.
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Graywolf.260

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No you're supposed to give a guy your money who is under no obligation to use it to build a wall, who promises he's going to do his best to make sure it's used to build a wall. He promises y'all. It totally won't come up "Well, we can't do it so instead I'm setting up the Wall Lobby Organization and I'm president and for $200k/yr we're going to do our best to get that wall built!"
Well then, just give it to a private organization that can be trusted, like the Trump Foundation.
 
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@Bender I’m honored. Really.

Fuck me for being tongue in cheek on an equally absurd concept such as the wall. Let’s look at main things the wall is supposed to accomplish:

Immigration-Tunnels are still a thing and will be more of a thing going forward. Also, people can climb over them regardless of the counter measures you put atop. Lastly, it’s a wall, people will find a way to break through it

Violence-This is due to the money being made in sex trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking. Drugs wouldn’t be such an issue if the USA wasn’t the largest consumer, until that changes there will be no shortage. Those guys moving drugs also have lots money-the wall won’t stop an airplane or airplanes . For sex and human traffickers see above regarding tunnels, going over and thru the wall.

There is no easy or simple solution to these problems but I guarantee that a wall won’t help either-it’ll just make you snowflakes ‘feel’ better
 
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Making it more expensive to commit crimes is pointless?

Since you’re so smart why don’t you go tell the Israelis that their wall doesn’t stop terrorists because of tunnels...DOH!
Land coverage needs to play into your calculations
 

Bender

Bob Lobb Law
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@Bender I’m honored. Really.

Fuck me for being tongue in cheek on an equally absurd concept such as the wall. Let’s look at main things the wall is supposed to accomplish:

Immigration-Tunnels are still a thing and will be more of a thing going forward. Also, people can climb over them regardless of the counter measures you put atop. Lastly, it’s a wall, people will find a way to break through it

Violence-This is due to the money being made in sex trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking. Drugs wouldn’t be such an issue if the USA wasn’t the largest consumer, until that changes there will be no shortage. Those guys moving drugs also have lots money-the wall won’t stop an airplane or airplanes . For sex and human traffickers see above regarding tunnels, going over and thru the wall.

There is no easy or simple solution to these problems but I guarantee that a wall won’t help either-it’ll just make you snowflakes ‘feel’ better
I’ll bet 100% you have a door on your house with a keyed lock.

Funny, is that wall a bad idea as well?

Cognitive dissonance is real problem apparently.

All “annexing” Mexico will do is suck even more money out of the union to cover the new 25 million welfare recipients ready to live off of others labors.
 

JimLee

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@Bender I’m honored. Really.

Fuck me for being tongue in cheek on an equally absurd concept such as the wall. Let’s look at main things the wall is supposed to accomplish:

Immigration-Tunnels are still a thing and will be more of a thing going forward. Also, people can climb over them regardless of the counter measures you put atop. Lastly, it’s a wall, people will find a way to break through it

Violence-This is due to the money being made in sex trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking. Drugs wouldn’t be such an issue if the USA wasn’t the largest consumer, until that changes there will be no shortage. Those guys moving drugs also have lots money-the wall won’t stop an airplane or airplanes . For sex and human traffickers see above regarding tunnels, going over and thru the wall.

There is no easy or simple solution to these problems but I guarantee that a wall won’t help either-it’ll just make you snowflakes ‘feel’ better
80 percent of the people and drug traffic coming across the border is overland. if a wall stopped even 50% of that it would be worth it fiscally. Yes people will find ways over, under, around it but the number will be way smaller than it is now. There are also ways to combat tunnels, climbers, airplanes, etc.. It's not just drop a wall and walk away. A wall is a good start for an actual security plan.
 

Fig

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#71
I thought it was a waste of money till that caravan. You can’t stop a thousand people without using deadly force unless there is a wall. Have you ever stood guard duty?

Have a little common sense. Because you can’t stop everything you shouldn’t try? WTF kind of logic is that? Where do YOU live? I doubt anywhere near the border.
 
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Yeah That’s an indictment of our criminal justice system if I remember the case correctly.
Defense in depth is a proven strategy.

We have a wall, keeps most people out...
Cops, to arrest people. Deters some, sometimes.
Armed citizenry (in most places). Deters some, finishes up where the cops left off.
Military for when shit gets industrial sized bad. Deters like a motherfucker.

Why is this even a conversation? A wall is not a bad idea.
 
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True. That old world craftsmanship is really impressive, that thing has been standing for over 2000 years. Maybe they'll sell us a few miles of it, repurpose it, if you will.
 
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#79
@Bender I’m honored. Really.

Fuck me for being tongue in cheek on an equally absurd concept such as the wall. Let’s look at main things the wall is supposed to accomplish:

Immigration-Tunnels are still a thing and will be more of a thing going forward. Also, people can climb over them regardless of the counter measures you put atop. Lastly, it’s a wall, people will find a way to break through it

Violence-This is due to the money being made in sex trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking. Drugs wouldn’t be such an issue if the USA wasn’t the largest consumer, until that changes there will be no shortage. Those guys moving drugs also have lots money-the wall won’t stop an airplane or airplanes . For sex and human traffickers see above regarding tunnels, going over and thru the wall.

There is no easy or simple solution to these problems but I guarantee that a wall won’t help either-it’ll just make you snowflakes ‘feel’ better
Fort Knox
FBI Regional Offices
Prisons
Utah Data Center
Military Bases
White House
Airports
Groom Lake
China Lake
Lockheed
Boeing
et al....
Gee, I can't think of anything that they all have in common.......now what could it be ?:unsure::whistle:
 
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#80
Their security plans are written based on expert analysis instead of the sloganeering of a blowhard con man?
The "expert" analysis is very simple. So simple in fact, it doesn't really require anything greater than a fourth grade education to figure out. That is, something or someone on one side of the wall requires or demands protection from something or someone on the other side. Sorry that doesn't fit with your "sophisticated" narrative, blowhard con man, or not.

I remember asking this question of you a long time ago. I have asked it many times, to many people just like you and have yet to ever receive an answer from any of you. Why are you here ? No one here is ever going to change your mind and you're never going to change anyone's mind here, so why waste your time ?
 

Hookturnr

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#81
Bullshit. Go all the fucking way. Good thing John F Kennedy and NASA didn't listen to guys like you in the 60s.
If you had read above and maybe stopped to digest the entirety of that statement you would have seen that I am fully in support of building a GREAT BIG SHINY WALL on the border. I just pointed out the fact that there are some areas where it's not necessarily a practical or effective solution....still need doors n whatnot ya know....wall in the rio grande becomes dam in the rio grande etc..

BTW, this hit the local and national news in my AO and he's just shy of $10million in since sunday...
 
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308pirate

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@Bender I’m honored. Really.

Fuck me for being tongue in cheek on an equally absurd concept such as the wall. Let’s look at main things the wall is supposed to accomplish:

Immigration-Tunnels are still a thing and will be more of a thing going forward. Also, people can climb over them regardless of the counter measures you put atop. Lastly, it’s a wall, people will find a way to break through it

Violence-This is due to the money being made in sex trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking. Drugs wouldn’t be such an issue if the USA wasn’t the largest consumer, until that changes there will be no shortage. Those guys moving drugs also have lots money-the wall won’t stop an airplane or airplanes . For sex and human traffickers see above regarding tunnels, going over and thru the wall.

There is no easy or simple solution to these problems but I guarantee that a wall won’t help either-it’ll just make you snowflakes ‘feel’ better
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
 

pmclaine

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#87
Dont like the idea of paying for something my taxes should already provide but triggering liberal tears is worth the entertainment.

If it gets to $20 mil ill be in for another $25. $30 mil Ill hit again for $30 and my "if every Trump supporter put in $80" obligation will be met.
 

Fig

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#88
To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority.
I find people who rely on received wisdom and received opinions from academia almost always have zero common sense. These are the people who have schooling, but are totally uneducated. They try and compensate for a total lack of common sense by relying on amorphous statements that "experts" agree with their received opinions, because actual facts do not.

Even when confronted with a simple and common sense statement like, "Walls and fences deter trespassers", a statement so mundane and unremarkable it boggles the mind, that someone could strongly disagree with it in the face of 10,000 years of recorded history is pretty much proof positive that something is broken. Something is severely broken to the point where it can't be fixed. It needs to be thrown out and replaced. "Walls don't work", is as stupid as, "Water isn't wet"...yes, it really is as booger-eating stupid as it sounds, but I have no doubt, none at all, that you believe it with all your heart.

I'm not afraid of you personally at all, and no one else is either. You are a total coward who spews totalitarianism and hatred without the courage of your convictions. It will always be someone else forcing people for you. You think you'll never get your hands dirty stealing peoples property and talking away their rights. Nothing you say you believe in or push doesn't rely on government force, nothing. Everything you say you stand for is at the point of a sword. Every single thing requires force. There is zero liberty or choice, and the level of misanthropy and hypocrisy you have to possess to hold those convictions is mind boggling since you've grown up and live in a mostly free country. You've been taught all this crap, and you don't question it one bit.

I like Trump more and more, even though a lot of your criticisms are completely valid, because you and your ilk are vile, totalitarian, Marxists who would spread poverty, misery, and ultimately murder because of your asinine philosophy, evil political ideology, and misanthropic policies.

I agree with about 30% of what you write. There is a strong element of Trump the Con artist. Anyone who monetizes their brand across all the shit that he did has to have an element of con artist, to be sure. He's also impulsive and pigheaded often. Clearly he was a playboy too. He has many failings, perhaps more than a typical politician, but I doubt it in most cases...

Hillary Clinton is a God Damned mafia boss at the head of an international influence peddling scheme/foundation that sells out America so she can profit. Power, the same power you think you are owed, is her only allegiance. As bad as Trump is, and he certainly has some glaring faults, we dodged a huge bullet by electing a con man rather than a mafia don whose god is power. She doesn't give a crap about all your Marxist drivel unless it is in the service of further aggrandizing herself. Trump has a fat head and a lot of faults, but I do believe he loves America and loves the American people rather than holding them in utter contempt like people of your ilk do. Why anyone would vote for someone who thinks they are a racist, ignorant, lazy fool is completely beyond me, but your powers of self deception have to be epic to spew the BS you do.

You can ignore me, report me, whatever, but you can hardly claim I'm afraid of your warmed over, post modernist, Marxism. I'm not afraid to destroy you in a debate, and I'm not afraid to meet you on a battlefield. We will always win, because fanatics like you either suck at fighting, or you have to use pressed conscripts to fight for you, and odds are they don't buy your Marxist bullshit, which makes them suck at fighting too.
 
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#89
To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority.
I find people who rely on received wisdom and received opinions from academia almost always have zero common sense. These are the people who have schooling, but are totally uneducated. They try and compensate for a total lack of common sense by relying on amorphous statements that "experts" agree with their received opinions, because actual facts do not.

Even when confronted with a simple and common sense statement like, "Walls and fences deter trespassers", a statement so mundane and unremarkable it boggles the mind, that someone could strongly disagree with it in the face of 10,000 years of recorded history is pretty much proof positive that something is broken. Something is severely broken to the point where it can't be fixed. It needs to be thrown out and replaced. "Walls don't work", is as stupid as, "Water isn't wet"...yes, it really is as booger-eating stupid as it sounds, but I have no doubt, none at all, that you believe it with all your heart.

I'm not afraid of you personally at all, and no one else is either. You are a total coward who spews totalitarianism and hatred without the courage of your convictions. It will always be someone else forcing people for you. You think you'll never get your hands dirty stealing peoples property and talking away their rights. Nothing you say you believe in or push doesn't rely on government force, nothing. Everything you say you stand for is at the point of a sword. Every single thing requires force. There is zero liberty or choice, and the level of misanthropy and hypocrisy you have to possess to hold those convictions is mind boggling since you've grown up and live in a mostly free country. You've been taught all this crap, and you don't question it one bit.

I like Trump more and more, even though a lot of your criticisms are completely valid, because you and your ilk are vile, totalitarian, Marxists who would spread poverty, misery, and ultimately murder because of your asinine philosophy, evil political ideology, and misanthropic policies.

I agree with about 30% of what you write. There is a strong element of Trump the Con artist. Anyone who monetizes their brand across all the shit that he did has to have an element of con artist, to be sure. He's also impulsive and pigheaded often. Clearly he was a playboy too. He has many failings, perhaps more than a typical politician, but I doubt it in most cases...

Hillary Clinton is a God Damned mafia boss at the head of an international influence peddling scheme/foundation that sells out America so she can profit. Power, the same power you think you are owed, is her only allegiance. As bad as Trump is, and he certainly has some glaring faults, we dodged a huge bullet by electing a con man rather than a mafia don whose god is power. She doesn't give a crap about all your Marxist drivel unless it is in the service of further aggrandizing herself. Trump has a fat head and a lot of faults, but I do believe he loves America and loves the American people rather than holding them in utter contempt like people of your ilk do. Why anyone would vote for someone who thinks they are a racist, ignorant, lazy fool is completely beyond me, but your powers of self deception have to be epic to spew the BS you do.

You can ignore me, report me, whatever, but you can hardly claim I'm afraid of your warmed over, post modernist, Marxism. I'm not afraid to destroy you in a debate, and I'm not afraid to meet you on a battlefield. We will always win, because fanatics like you either suck at fighting, or you have to use pressed conscripts to fight for you, and odds are they don't buy your Marxist bullshit, which makes them suck at fighting too.
Thanks Fig, you not only saved me a lot of typing, you expressed my thoughts much more succinctly than I could have have.

You had me at "yes, it really is as booger-eating stupid as it sounds"......;)(y)(y)(y)
 
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#91
$12,009,530
Raised by 197,013 people in 4 days

Who says that's not impressive? I think it is fantastically awesome. Keep it up, and at the same time, start forming a team-up to man the shovels. Somebody get ahold of sherrif arpaieo (?) and maybe he can get his chain-gang to start leading the way. Give 'them' an incentive... something along the lines of "dig this hole or you'll be under the mound".

You know, something cheerful like that. Plenty of other jails/prisons where plenty of other chain-gangs can be formed, also. Designed right, the wall will come with a moat. Win/Win/Win
 

pmclaine

Gunny Sergeant
Nov 6, 2011
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#92
$12,009,530
Raised by 197,013 people in 4 days

Who says that's not impressive? I think it is fantastically awesome. Keep it up, and at the same time, start forming a team-up to man the shovels. Somebody get ahold of sherrif arpaieo (?) and maybe he can get his chain-gang to start leading the way. Give 'them' an incentive... something along the lines of "dig this hole or you'll be under the mound".

You know, something cheerful like that. Plenty of other jails/prisons where plenty of other chain-gangs can be formed, also. Designed right, the wall will come with a moat. Win/Win/Win

Civilian Conservation Corps was probably the only good idea of the New Deal.

Take unattached, unemployed men and put them to work in a paramilitary atmosphere.

Lots of couch dead weight out there that could use the discipline and they would learn some skills building this wall.
 
Apr 26, 2013
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It's damn impressive. I wonder how many people still don't know that's going on. I also wonder how many people refuse to donate just because of GoFundMe.

200k people in a few days coming up with 12 million dollars for something with next to 0% chance of success just to send a message... Fuck yeah, let's do more of that!


Side note: Is there any way in hell to create a legally binding contract that states the legally expessive form of, "If I fail at this mission, I am legally obligated to get into a boxing ring with Dan Bongino, and if I lose, I forfeit all personal assets. (house, cars, whatever)"?
 
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#95
Don't most drugs come into the country through ports of entry anyway? Maybe we can do better there. Wall? Don't mind it, so long as we don't have to take a ton of land from private citizens.

Regardless, the fundraising efforts of that fellow are impressive.
 

mijp5

Gunny Sergeant
May 7, 2009
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#96
I donated a few dollars to the cause.

Man it really fucking burns my ass that these fucks are suppressing this guy’s effort.
What’s the over/under on how many days it takes the communists to call this 3x amputee Purple Heart USAF guy a racist and go after his wife too?
Well, I should've said hours or even minutes rather than days. Fucking scumbags.

 
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#97
Keep going...only 988,000,000 to go. Or you only need about 210 million more before you’re at 1% of the estimated 22-25 billion to build the entire wall. I believe in you guys!!!!
 

ArmyJerry

Staff Sergeant
Nov 22, 2012
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#98
Or we could get it built by private contractors for One1millionth of that cost. Hell I bet we can grab 5 random pit members and just stacik our ammo boxes and make a good enough wall.
Keep going...only 988,000,000 to go. Or you only need about 210 million more before you’re at 1% of the estimated 22-25 billion to build the entire wall. I believe in you guys!!!!
 
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Or we could get it built by private contractors for One1millionth of that cost. Hell I bet we can grab 5 random pit members and just stacik our ammo boxes and make a good enough wall.
No need for a wall at that point.

I've always been a fan of turrets that shoot shit on their own. These days it's pretty easy to make 'em, and make 'em work well.

https://www.learnopencv.com/goturn-deep-learning-based-object-tracking/

With the right motivation, all one needs to do is "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY"